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Milesnmiles -> Believe in Truth (3/27/2017 2:30:46 PM)

To abandon facts is to abandon freedom. If nothing is true, then no one can criticize power, because there is no basis upon which to do so. If nothing is true, then all is spectacle. The biggest wallet pays for the most blinding lights.

You submit to tyranny when you renounce the difference between what you want to hear and what is actually the case.

Truth dies in four modes;

The first mode is the open hostility to verifiable reality, which takes the form of presenting inventions and lies as if they were facts. The president does this at a high rate and at a fast pace. One attempt during the 2016 campaign to track his utterances found that 78 percent of his factual claims were false. This proportion is so high that it makes the correct assertions seem like unintended oversights on the path toward total fiction. Demeaning the world as it is, begins the creation of a fictional counterworld.

The second mode is shamanistic incantation. As Klemperer noted, the fascist style depends upon “endless repetition,” designed to make the fictional plausible and the criminal desirable. The systematic use of nicknames such as “Lyin’ Ted” and “Crooked Hillary” displaced certain character traits that might more appropriately have been affixed to the president himself. Yet through blunt repetition over Twitter, our president managed the transformation of individuals into stereotypes that people then spoke aloud. At rallies, the repeated chants of “Build that wall” and “Lock her up” did not describe anything that the president had specific plans to do, but their very grandiosity established a connection between him and his audience.

The third mode is magical thinking, or the open embrace of contradiction. The president’s campaign involved the promises of cutting taxes for everyone, eliminating the national debt, and increasing spending on both social policy and national defense. These promises mutually contradict. It is as if a farmer said he were taking an egg from the henhouse, boiling it whole and serving it to his wife, and also poaching it and serving it to his children, and then returning it to the hen unbroken, and then watching as the chick hatches. Accepting untruth of this radical kind requires a blatant abandonment of reason. Klemperer’s descriptions of losing friends in Germany in 1933 over the issue of magical thinking ring eerily true today. One of his former students implored him to “abandon yourself to your feelings, and you must always focus on the Führer’s greatness, rather than on the discomfort you are feeling at present.” Twelve years later, after all the atrocities, and at the end of a war that Germany had clearly lost, an amputated soldier told Klemperer that Hitler “has never lied yet. I believe in Hitler.”

The fourth mode is misplaced faith. It involves the sort of self-deifying claims the president made when he said that “I alone can solve it” or “I am your voice.” When faith descends from heaven to earth in this way, no room remains for the small truths of our individual discernment and experience. What terrified Klemperer was the way that this transition seemed permanent. Once truth had become oracular rather than factual, evidence was irrelevant. At the end of the war a worker told Klemperer that “understanding is useless, you have to have faith. I believe in the Führer.”

Eugène Ionesco, the great Romanian playwright, watched one friend after another slip away into the language of fascism in the 1930s. The experience became the basis for his 1959 absurdist play, Rhinoceros, in which those who fall prey to propaganda are transformed into giant horned beasts. Of his own personal experiences Ionesco wrote:
University professors, students, intellectuals were turning Nazi, becoming Iron Guards, one after the other. At the beginning, certainly they were not Nazis. About fifteen of us would get together to talk and to try to find arguments opposing theirs. It was not easy….From time to time, one of our friends said: “I don’t agree with them, to be sure, but on certain points, nevertheless, I must admit, for example, the Jews…,” etc. And this was a symptom. Three weeks later, this person would become a Nazi. He was caught in the mechanism, he accepted everything, he became a rhinoceros. Towards the end, only three or four of us were still resisting.

Ionesco’s aim was to help us see just how bizarre propaganda actually is, but how normal it seems to those who yield to it. By using the absurd image of the rhinoceros, Ionesco was trying to shock people into noticing the strangeness of what was actually happening.

The rhinoceri are roaming through our neurological savannahs. We now find ourselves very much concerned with something we call “post-truth,” and we tend to think that its scorn of everyday facts and its construction of alternative realities is something new or postmodern. Yet there is little here that George Orwell did not capture seven decades ago in his notion of “doublethink.” In its philosophy, post-truth restores precisely the fascist attitude to truth—and that is why nothing in our own world would startle Klemperer or Ionesco.

Fascists despised the small truths of daily existence, loved slogans that resonated like a new religion, and preferred creative myths to history or journalism. They used new media, which at the time was radio, to create a drumbeat of propaganda that aroused feelings before people had time to ascertain facts. And now, as then, many people confused faith in a hugely flawed leader with the truth about the world we all share.

Post-truth is pre-fascism.


Snyder, Timothy. On Tyranny: Twenty Lessons from the Twentieth Century (p. 65). Crown/Archetype. Kindle Edition.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Believe in Truth (3/27/2017 5:22:19 PM)

Putin
Owns
Trump's
United
States




blnymph -> RE: Believe in Truth (3/30/2017 9:47:06 AM)

Good post Miles

And worth reading.

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Real0ne -> RE: Believe in Truth (3/30/2017 9:51:41 AM)

all of europe made zionism the new faith based gubmint religion. either you believe or your ass gets tossed in jail MF!




Termyn8or -> RE: Believe in Truth (3/30/2017 10:02:53 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Putin
Owns
Trump's
United
States


Where do you get that ? I heard he was stepping up the interference in Syria which goes directly against Russia. He intends to "toughen up" somehow in the South China Sea, which is not in Russia''s best interests.

What kind of fucking "news" do you watch ?

T^T




Termyn8or -> RE: Believe in Truth (3/30/2017 10:07:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

all of europe made zionism the new faith based gubmint religion. either you believe or your ass gets tossed in jail MF!


Yeah, six million. not 5.999.999, they'll put you in prison for saying that. They'll put you in prison for saying they missed one.

What was it Voltaire said ? To see who is in control, find out who you are not allowed to criticise.

You probably should not have invoked Godwin's law though. Now the thread is probably going to get derailed to death. Then there will be 500 posts in it talking about everything from Abraham Lincoln to jet airplanes. You know how it is.

T^T




WhoreMods -> RE: Believe in Truth (3/30/2017 10:10:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

all of europe made zionism the new faith based gubmint religion. either you believe or your ass gets tossed in jail MF!

Still waiting for some evidence of that half million dead at Dresden, if we're talking about crypto-religious idolatry with no basis in reality.
But as that's apparently too much for you to manage, maybe ypou could explain why el presidente is less of a zionist than Clinton: last time I checked, Clinton only had the one daughter married one of the kikes who run Wall Street.




Real0ne -> RE: Believe in Truth (3/30/2017 10:48:24 AM)

WTF is a kike? Clinton was an american presidante, not european, Oh the dresden holocaust, where the allied committed genocide, there is another thread that talks about war crimes, my comment was with regard to a theocracy as gubmint.





WhoreMods -> RE: Believe in Truth (3/30/2017 10:50:22 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

WTF is a kike? Clinton was an american presidante, not european, Oh the dresden holocaust, where the allied committed genocide, there is another thread that talks about war crimes, my comment was with regard to a theocracy as gubmint.



Hilary Clinton.
You insisted that she was a zionist stooge, while making excuses for the Zionist stooge in office.
You've yet to substantiate that, like so many of your other claims.




mnottertail -> RE: Believe in Truth (3/30/2017 10:54:07 AM)

cavil:

not like 'so many' like ALL of his other hallucinatory-fantasy claims.




WhoreMods -> RE: Believe in Truth (3/30/2017 10:55:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

cavil:

not like 'so many' like ALL of his other hallucinatory-fantasy claims.

Point taken.




Milesnmiles -> RE: Believe in Truth (3/30/2017 5:09:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: blnymph

Good post Miles

And worth reading.

[sm=book.gif]
Thanx
The whole book, a short read, was very interesting.




Kirata -> RE: Believe in Truth (3/30/2017 6:12:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles

To abandon facts is to abandon freedom.

A bill approved Wednesday by the GOP-controlled House would require that data used to support new regulations to protect human health and the environment be released to the public . . . The bill was approved 228-194 and now goes to the Senate. ~AP

K.





MasterBrentC -> RE: Believe in Truth (3/30/2017 6:41:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Putin
Owns
Trump's
United
States


Where do you get that ? I heard he was stepping up the interference in Syria which goes directly against Russia. He intends to "toughen up" somehow in the South China Sea, which is not in Russia''s best interests.

What kind of fucking "news" do you watch ?

T^T


People on the left are still butt hurt and throwing tantrums like babies because Trump won. It's fun to watch them cry like babies.

God bless Donald Trump.




mnottertail -> RE: Believe in Truth (3/30/2017 11:06:31 PM)

seems to me the nutsuckers and retards (ah, but I repeat myself) such as you are butthurt because you have a communist government that is being investigated.




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