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Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/28/2017 12:57:31 PM   
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Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding

Republicans are afraid of losing a government shutdown showdown.
By BURGESS EVERETT and RACHAEL BADE 03/28/17 05:06 AM EDT

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Congressional Republicans might deliver some more bad news for President Donald Trump, fresh off their embarrassing failure to scrap Obamacare: No new money is coming to build his wall.

Trump hoped to jump-start construction of a massive wall on the U.S.-Mexico border with money in a must-pass government funding bill. But Democratic leaders are vowing to block any legislation that includes a single penny for the wall.

With the GOP consumed by its own divisions, the White House and Hill Republicans will have to rely on Democratic votes to avoid a government shutdown next month in what would be another disaster for Trump’s fledgling presidency.

Republican leaders, wary of this, are considering a plan that would not directly tie the border wall money to the April 28 government funding deadline. Some Republican insiders worry that the president cannot afford another major legislative setback — and they believe a shutdown showdown would result in just that.

While no decision has been made by GOP leadership, Republican lawmakers may decide to decouple the two to avoid a confrontation with Democrats. If they do, the chances of getting Trump’s wall funding passed this spring become slim.

“It remains to be seen,” said Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn (R-Texas) in an interview. “What I would like to see is a plan for how the money would be spent and a good faith discussion about what border security is really composed of. We haven’t had that.”

Asked about the prospects for a lapse in government funding, Cornyn was definitive: “There’s not going to be a shutdown.”

The White House made an initial request earlier this month for $1.4 billion in border wall funding as part of a package that boosts defense spending by $30 billion, with the thought that it would hitch a ride to the broader government funding bill due next month. Republicans expect the final price tag for the wall could be more than $20 billion.

The problem is that polls show the border wall is not all that popular, particularly if the United States is paying for it, and it does not unify congressional Republicans in the way Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch or even the basic goal of repealing Obamacare have done. That makes it a harder sell to the rank-and-file GOP — especially if pressing it means playing a government shutdown blame game with Democrats.

“The border wall is probably not a smart investment,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who proposes funding the wall as part a package legalizing some young undocumented immigrants and beefing up enforcement.

Several sources said it is unclear whether Trump wants to take the fight to Democrats over the wall or avoid a shutdown battle. His Office of Management and Budget Director Mick Mulvaney in recent weeks has suggested the administration will focus more on the wall in the future, perhaps as late as fiscal 2019. The White House didn’t respond to a request for comment.

But building the wall was Trump’s signature campaign promise. Pushing off funding for it now would leave Trump with another unchecked campaign pledge at a time the White House is thirsty for a victory after its Obamacare debacle.

Some defense hawks, like Graham, are concerned that the border wall fight could complicate an effort to get extra spending for the military.

“Democrats, I think, are in a spot where they’re open-minded to military spending as long as it doesn’t come at the expense of” domestic spending, Graham said. “Here’s what I’d tell my colleagues in the House: If you don’t think the Defense Department is an emergency situation, you’ve just stopped listening.”

Of course, some in the GOP are itching for a border battle. A senior Republican source suggested Trump could conceivably win a shutdown fight if he went to the mat to defend it: “This is his signature issue. I cannot imagine a scenario where the Trump administration loses on the border wall funding. If I were them, I’d dare the Democrats to shut down the government over this.”

Another senior House Republican source disagreed completely: "The Trump administration can't have another disaster on its hands. I think right now they have to show some level of competence and that they can govern."

Republicans began the year thinking that they could get moderate Democrats and perhaps even Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) to fund construction of a wall that some Democrats have supported in the past. But Schumer has warned McConnell that his party will not support any “riders” in the funding bill intended to jam Democrats with conservative policies.

“The wall is a poison-pill rider,” Schumer said in an interview. “They’ll do it at their peril.”

Other than the issue of the wall, the spending process on Capitol Hill is proceeding apace. Republicans and Democrats are working diligently together on a measure to fund the government through September that can appeal to the center of each party, according to lawmakers and aides.

But adding the wall into the mix would create a toxic political environment.

“That’s a bigger problem,” said a Republican senator familiar with the emerging spending bills. Including wall funding in the must-pass government funding bill “would be hard.”

House Republicans are expected to act first.

While the chamber operates on majority rule and could conceivably write red-meat appropriations bills that include wall funding, GOP leaders expect a significant number of conservatives to defect on any government funding bill, as they have in the past.

And after the hard-line House Freedom Caucus brought down the Obamacare replacement bill last week, GOP insiders worry they can’t depend on them to help get major legislation across the finish line.

The conservative caucus discussed giving Trump "greater flexibility" on spending bills during a closed-door Monday night meeting, according to Freedom Caucus Chairman Mark Meadows — so long as it includes funding for Trump's wall.

"We understand that we have a very narrow margin of victory… and we understand it may require us to take more difficult votes than we have in the previous Congress," the North Carolina Republican told reporters.

One option for the House is to pass the government funding bill and the border and defense package in a way that allows the Senate to easily separate the two measures later.

Republicans could pass a bipartisan bill keeping the government open and then attach a second GOP bill with wall funding. That would let the Senate strip the wall provision from the must-pass bill to avert a government shutdown, and the House would be forced to swallow what the Senate can pass.

If Trump insists, House GOP leaders could include the wall money directly in the government funding bill — but they could lose only 22 Republicans if they receive no Democratic support.

Even if the House manages to pass a spending measure that includes funding for the wall, Republicans will need at least eight Senate Democrats to break a filibuster to fund the government, something Schumer says isn’t happening if border wall money is included.
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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/28/2017 1:47:39 PM   
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A senior Republican source suggested Trump could conceivably win a shutdown fight if he went to the mat to defend it: “This is his signature issue. I cannot imagine a scenario where the Trump administration loses on the border wall funding. If I were them, I’d dare the Democrats to shut down the government over this.”

All he would hear from the citizenry is, we are waiting on Mexico's payment. Take it out of the defense budget.

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/28/2017 2:23:33 PM   
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The republicans are worried that the other bunch might force a shutdown by refusing to approve budgetting for something?
Today's word is schadenfreude...

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/28/2017 2:41:35 PM   
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I really hope the Dems don't force a shutdown.

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/28/2017 6:52:56 PM   
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You'd prefer the government spend a bunch of money it doesn't have on a wall it doesn't need?

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/28/2017 7:00:42 PM   
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quote:

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You'd prefer the government spend a bunch of money it doesn't have on a wall it doesn't need?

Dear God, no.

But if the past is any guide, a shutdown will backfire, making those who brought it about seem derelict in their duties and turning the president into a rallying point.

See also: Gingrich, Newt

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/28/2017 7:55:50 PM   
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So no "impenetrable, physical, tall, powerful, beautiful, southern border wall" 84 foot wall then?

But they are still doing the moat with the piranhas right?

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/29/2017 4:37:50 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Nineveh

You'd prefer the government spend a bunch of money it doesn't have on a wall it doesn't need?

Dear God, no.

But if the past is any guide, a shutdown will backfire, making those who brought it about seem derelict in their duties and turning the president into a rallying point.

See also: Gingrich, Newt

Well, quite: the multiple shutdowns under the Obama regime are why nobody voted Republican last year, aren't they?

WD: They've decided that piranhas will cost too much, but the great might poo has claimed that he has a contact who get goldfish on the cheap so they've budgeted to use those instead.

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/29/2017 4:51:28 AM   
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goldfish with dentures?

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/29/2017 4:55:58 AM   
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They're currently negotiating over whether they get moors (the fancy black ones with boggle eyes) or plain goldfish. The guy who supplies the coconut shy on Coney Island is insisting that he gets a blowjob from Ivanka before he's willing to provide moors, though.

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/29/2017 4:56:46 AM   
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goldfish with dentures?

Nope, Douchecare didnt pass.

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/29/2017 6:05:57 AM   
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I really hope the Dems don't force a shutdown.

The tit for tat over it, is so pathetic, on the one hand I dont blame the dems for saying no, especially the last 8, and look where it got them. Trump.
But they really cant afford to be overly persnikkety, and I dont think its as partisan as the healthcare sitch was,
But we are talking Trump, Ryan, and the freedom caucus(my gawd they are a right box of douchebags).
WIthout adding the dems into the mix.
Its what, 4 weeks until they make the deadline?I do see infighting ahead, but with the trump distractions, its gonna be close,
Of course Ive been wrong before:)

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/29/2017 7:08:27 AM   
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You'd prefer the government spend a bunch of money it doesn't have on a wall it doesn't need?


Some would but it is flawed reasoning. What is it coming across that border ?

Alright, drugs, mostly pot. People are not usually carrying it on their back and walking up here, they are in truck, some of which probably say "JB Hunt" on them and never get stopped and "DOTed" or searched. Some comes in through the tunnels.

The dealers do not let people use the tunnels to get here because it increases their chance of being discovered. And not to forget that alot of pot gets here on private planes, landing on private airstrips where there is no TSA or anything of the sort.

The illegals who want to work here, actually they should be legalized and thus - taxed. They take jobs most of us do not want. Come on, you expect me to fly (or walk) down from Ohio to Alabama to pick produce in the middle of summer in 100 degree heat ? And if they are working they are not usually stealing.

There is a criminal element of course but we got one too. They are lawless like us. Most people I know do not care what is legal or not, but we do not steal or hurt people simply because we do not want to. I think many of them are the same. They will do what they have to do, but no more.

So basically, it is not so bad. The media and politicians play it up as if it is a big deal but what do we have here ? A couple thousand watermelon pickers working in 120 degree heat keeping our prices down. They come and work a couple months and then go home. It is almost like slave labor. They do spend so they are serfs. They might live 20 to an apartment and send most of their money home to Mommasita, but they do spend something here.

They should be paying taxes. Not social security because they cannot collect it. But if we gotta pay, they gotta pay. It is damn hard to get a decent non-taxpaying job. And if they get paid piecework then some of them make pretty good money. Like if you pick two watermelons and get them to the truck unscathed you get a dollar. It only takes a couple of minutes, so what are you making ? You could make twenty bucks an hour if you are ambitious. But you have to perform.

People in Texas and Arizona are the ones most for the wall. That is because they experience the criminal element. i can understand that. Just like we had criminals who "had to get to Mexico" they got the same thing but in reverse. They steal and do other dastardly things and that happens in certain states. Those are the people walking across the border. The other ones are in cars and trucks and whatever.

The wall might actually help a few states. But these migrant workers, legal or not, did not walk to Alabama to pick watermelons. I have read stories about what some of their criminals do, and the best defense against them is a gun, just like against US criminals. They have to made afraid to try anything.

The wall is not one of Trump's better ideas, really. It will not accomplish what he wants, and will cost a fortune.

I am just hanging around to see what happens next.

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/29/2017 8:36:15 AM   
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Drugs can just be thrown/shot/catapulted over the wall. Just GPS coordinate with your stateside agent.

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/29/2017 8:42:19 AM   
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goldfish with dentures? guffaws. Underage goldfish WM - heh your corrupting my innocent soul

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/29/2017 9:12:22 AM   
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I am just hanging around to see what happens next.


Same is happening now: excuses and evasion, whether the wall gets built or not.

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/29/2017 9:54:22 AM   
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Some would but it is flawed reasoning. What is it coming across that border ?

Alright, drugs, mostly pot.


Why do you think there is a shortage of blow or smack? People on the street saay it aint so.
As for pot we grow some of the best in the word...no need to import crap.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



The dealers do not let people use the tunnels to get here because it increases their chance of being discovered. And not to forget that alot of pot gets here on private planes, landing on private airstrips where there is no TSA or anything of the sort.

Omg dhs has never heard of radar????whodathunkit?


The illegals who want to work here, actually they should be legalized and thus - taxed.

They are taxed dumbass. The employer is the one who does not remit the tax to the government.



They take jobs most of us do not want. Come on, you expect me to fly (or walk) down from Ohio to Alabama to pick produce in the middle of summer in 100 degree heat ?



Yet you claim they get a fifty cents per mellon. You sure one lazy punk. Anyone who cannot pick a mellon a minute is sound asleep.



The wall is not one of Trump's better ideas, really. It will not accomplish what he wants, and will cost a fortune.


Not if he builds it with illegal aliens working under the table.

I am just hanging around to see what happens next.

Well that and the free beer.

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/29/2017 12:22:42 PM   
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quote:

Why do you think there is a shortage of blow or smack? People on the street saay it aint so.


Now when the fuck did I ever say that ? There are more people dying of smack ODs now than ever because the quality is so much better, among them a daughter of one of my best friends recently. I never said anything about a shortage.

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As for pot we grow some of the best in the word...no need to import crap.


Yeah, and they want five hundred bucks a fucking ounce for it. I'll take the cheap shit. The cost to buzz ration works out better. And then we got people selling indica instead of sativa whgich really mellows people out too much to really enjoy.

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Yet you claim they get a fifty cents per mellon. You sure one lazy punk. Anyone who cannot pick a mellon a minute is sound asleep.


That's what I heard. But a melon a minute is not always easy to do. That truck might not be right there. It is in the beginning but later you go deeper into the field and have to do some walking. And this walking is not over a sidewalk, it is over dirt, maybe mud, and you cannot trip or fall or drop the melons.

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Not if he builds it with illegal aliens working under the table.


Now that would be a hoot. Not only his pipedream of making them pay for it, but make them build it as well. If he can actually pull that off I will kiss his ass one Tuesday, in public. But we know it ain't happening.

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Well that and the free beer.


There is no free lunch Grandma, and there is no free beer.

And BTW, you have demonstrated more stupidity on here than most posters. Just for the record. But we all know that dumb motherfuckers think they are smart.

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/29/2017 5:11:38 PM   
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Why do you think there is a shortage of blow or smack? People on the street say it aint so.

Now when the fuck did I ever say that ?


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Alright, drugs, mostly pot


There are more people dying of smack ODs now than ever because the quality is so much better,

The pharmacopia says that is not possible.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid




among them a daughter of one of my best friends recently. I never said anything about a shortage.

As for pot we grow some of the best in the world...no need to import crap.

Yeah, and they want five hundred bucks a fucking ounce for it.

You are obviously shopping in the wrong pharmacy


I'll take the cheap shit. The cost to buzz ration works out better. And then we got people selling indica instead of sativa whgich really mellows people out too much to really enjoy.

Yet you claim they get a fifty cents per mellon. You sure one lazy punk. Anyone who cannot pick a mellon a minute is sound asleep.

That's what I heard.

I heard you were a moron


But a melon a minute is not always easy to do. That truck might not be right there. It is in the beginning but later you go deeper into the field and have to do some walking. And this walking is not over a sidewalk, it is over dirt, maybe mud, and you cannot trip or fall or drop the melons.


The tractor pulling the wagon follows the pickers dumbass. The idea is to get as much picked in as short a period of time as possible.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


Not if he builds it with illegal aliens working under the table.

Now that would be a hoot. Not only his pipedream of making them pay for it, but make them build it as well.


How is hiring illegal alliens and not paying the taxes on their labor 'making them pay for it'?
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.




If he can actually pull that off I will kiss his ass one Tuesday, in public. But we know it ain't happening.

Well that and the free beer.

There is no free lunch Grandma, and there is no free beer.

There is in the 'peoples republic of california'.
"Plenty of money and chicks for free"


And BTW, you have demonstrated more stupidity on here than most posters. Just for the record. But we all know that dumb motherfuckers think they are smart.

Being smarter than you would be easy for a stone.

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RE: Congress may stiff Trump on wall funding - 3/29/2017 5:59:12 PM   
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People in Texas and Arizona are the ones most for the wall. That is because they experience the criminal element. i can understand that. Just like we had criminals who "had to get to Mexico" they got the same thing but in reverse. They steal and do other dastardly things and that happens in certain states. Those are the people walking across the border. The other ones are in cars and trucks and whatever.


T^T


Actually, Texas, not so much.


Why the Texan Republican who represents the border doesn’t want a wall
His constituents’ land would be seized to build it.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/1/27/14412672/will-hurd-border-wall

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local/texas/article/Texas-governor-doesn-t-want-to-see-border-wall-10794784.php

http://www.texasmonthly.com/the-daily-post/not-many-people-border-really-want-donald-trumps-wall/



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