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Violent crimes world wide. - 3/28/2017 5:54:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, gun crime in the US is bad.

Terrorists using guns in Europe is just as bad.

However, I have one question.

Why the hell does it seem that violence world wide is going through the fucking roof?

Last night, locally, the police answered 6 calls dealing with fights at bars.

On a fucking Monday!

There were two assault calls at local stores.

Hell, even protests are turning violent (not talking about the riots as a result of police shootings but political rallies) which seems to be the norm.

Dont agree with someone, beat the shit out of them.

Get mad because someone cut you off on the road, chase em down and run em off the road.

Hell, due to some fights at some high school football games last year (parents not the kids) it was announced that next season armed on duty police will be at the games.

What the fuck is going on?

And you cant blame Trump or leftists, because it is beginning to seem like everyone wants to beat the shit out of people.

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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/28/2017 6:09:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		I dunno about current statistics, but as of 2015, the crime rate in the U.S. has declined rather nicely, since a massive spike in the 90s.

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm

The most recent statistics from the FBI (January to June, 2016): https://ucr.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/preliminary-semiannual-uniform-crime-report-januaryjune-2016



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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/28/2017 6:24:45 PM   
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Why the hell does it seem that violence world wide is going through the fucking roof?

A few possibilities:

-- Growing populations, often in crowded and impoverished places.

-- The omnipresence of news, which makes us endlessly aware of things we might never have heard about in earlier days. And which may spur copycats in some places. And contribute to a sense of hopelessness, leading folks to think they have nothing to lose.

-- Greater movement of peoples, raising the potential for cultural clashes.

-- Increased knowledge of others' prosperity, which may fuel resentment.

-- An apparent spike in fanaticism.

-- Better technology for killing one another.

-- Rising income inequality.


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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/28/2017 6:43:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's the explosion of social media and people having easy and affordable access to it.
Used to be that events would and could only be discussed with other people who were within walking distance of you.
Now activities over the whole world are broadcast live and in color to virtually everywhere else on the planet.
Add to that being able to see politicians and despots and entertainment idols and sports icons and anyone of note making asses of themselves without the benefit of any filters and still getting away with it.

If you show people the injustices and the intolerance and the double-dealing and the selfishness and greed that exists in the world at all levels enough times, pretty soon they figure they can't count on getting a fair shake from anyone, so they decide that the only justice they'll ever experience is the justice they create for themselves.

An umpire of referee calls your kid out or offside when he's clearly not, at least get the satisfaction of screaming "mother-fucker" at him.
A public employee at the DMV or the Post Office or the County Clerk's office starts giving you a rough time about something for no apparent reason, tell them to go fuck themselves.
When the clerk at the grocery store tells you they don't have anymore kale and he doesn't know when they will, tell him he's an ignorant asshole.
When the wait person at the restaurant doesn't get you the appetizer you ordered until just before bringing your entree, tell them they should go find another line of work because they sure suck at waiting tables - big time.

Stop accepting lame excuses for poor and/or negligent job performances.
Stop accepting explanations for things you don't agree with or just don't like.
Just stop taking shit from everyone.
And after you tell all these people where to stick it, immediately go on social media to keep this whole cycle going on and on. Report how stupid they were and how outraged they made you feel and how screaming at them to go to hell made you feel absolutely great again.

(Just don't tell them how many times you got punched in the face for behaving like a screaming lunatic.)




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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/29/2017 4:09:47 AM   
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Side Effects of "Free Speech".

Violent crimes isn't increasing in my country.

I am not against Free Speech, but I just recognise that, when people can say anything they want, they also can offend alot of people, and there is alot of people in this world who resort to violence when they get offended.

Just life. "Freedom" comes with a Price.

I believe the solution is educating kids not to solve problems with violence. Not ban Free Speech though.

But getting that education part right will be difficult too, since US is against Common Core.

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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/29/2017 4:11:35 AM   
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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/29/2017 4:13:37 AM   
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free speech isnt a new thing



What is new is how FREE SPEECH gets more exposed than before.

In the past, if someone says hateful things, there isn't an online platform to broadcast their offensive opinions to the rest of the world. It would just be within their tiny community.

Today, everyone is saying offensive things online to piss everybody off!

So more people are expose to people offensive thoughts, more people get angry and get more violent.

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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/29/2017 4:34:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		In most Western countries crime rates and especially violent crime rates are falling. This is not reflected in media coverage of crime, especially in tabloid media and its electronic equivalents, where the opposite impression - that crime is spiralling out of control - is far more likely to be generated.

In fact in most parts of the West, it is about as safe as it has ever been, possibly safer. So perhaps the real question that should be asked here is: 'Why are so many people's perception of crime levels at such variance to the reality of crime rates?'

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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/29/2017 5:26:51 AM   
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In most Western countries crime rates and especially violent crime rates are falling. This is not reflected in media coverage of crime, especially in tabloid media and its electronic equivalents, where the opposite impression - that crime is spiralling out of control - is far more likely to be generated.

In fact in most parts of the West, it is about as safe as it has ever been, possibly safer. So perhaps the real question that should be asked here is: 'Why are so many people's perception of crime levels at such variance to the reality of crime rates?'


First thing that makes me think of is Katie Hopkin's view of a broken London at war with itself after the recent attack on Westminster, versus the reality, noted by almost everybody else, of Londoners pretty much pulling together and carrying on peacefully.


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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/29/2017 5:51:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, gun crime in the US is bad. Terrorists using guns in Europe is just as bad. That's not true jlf1961

Whether i hate guns is irrelevant i would word it like this. Gun crime is out of control in America (it’s a stand out of all nations) - Murder by gun what’s that 10 000 - 15000. or Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5] 21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4] Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms.[1][6] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States

There is no way if you add all the gun deaths and terrorism deaths in all of Europe they are going to worry the USA figure. Yep terror deaths are definitely up so that aspect is true but still quite a small proportion. yep I foresee that getting worse the UK was overdue as is the US and for mass shootings too double figures stuff, treble even. Fourfold - possible (in the EU too)

I am not having a go it is simply some people’s perception. Your countries are under siege be scared, afeared, call to arms.
When in reality not much has changed, well significantly. Or has it – I think some leaders and alt news sites would have you believe other things and that lying fuk in office. Create a state of fear and panic and paranoia and you can mould those minds easily

Reporting of crimes – no comment they fiddle those figures all the time..Even the UK ones I can’t work out if they are going up and down significantly/reality wise. Probably about the same an ebb and flow

Africa middle east – seems to be about the same death rape starvation wise (millions annually times beginning of time) –terror wars in the middle east are up for sure.


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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/29/2017 6:27:10 AM   
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When you squeeze people together is causes friction. But it may not be increasing all that much. When two guy went to fighting at a bar for example, the bartender pulled out a gun and told them to take it outside. They went in the parking lot, had their fight and then went back in. The cops were not called.

From "Think" magazine I've an article where they described effects pon animals of overcrowding. There are definite glandular changes. In mice overcrowding resulted in mothers abandoning their offspring, rape gangs and all kind of havoc. Sika deer were placed on an island that has plenty of food, but only limited space. As such the deer over reproduced and it got crowded. They fell one and did an autopsy and the conclusion was that they were under alot of stress. So it is not the availability of food, nor a fight for it.

People in other countries say we got it good here, with only so many people per square mile, but they don't get it. People have farmland sure, and they are probably quite happy there. But the cities are overcrowded. Look at NYC for example. And rents are through the roof for a shoebox. There is noplace to park a car. They've also been caught under reporting crime.

As someone said, also, free speech is nothing new. But it seems people can't take it anymore. Too thin skinned. Even when someone got insulted in the past it would be like "Them's fighting words", now they just bust out a gun. People who lack self control cost all of us, especially our rights. Used to be you could have a fight out in the street, nobody paid much attention. Now BOTH go to jail, even though they were perfectly willing combatants.

Just like almost everybody had guns but there were not alot of shootings. There was a thing called self control. People are not taught that anymore and this is the result. And the law has responded in a most unsavory way. You just push someone now and they consider that assault. Just smacking someone is considered battery. You don't even have to hit or push someone to get charged. Just yell at your olady, if she says she is afraid you have to leave your house even though you pay the bills, and it is considered domestic violence. Just yelling. And then if things don't go well in court you can lose your gun rights. She can even get up in court and say "I guess I overreacted, all he did was yell" but not the state picks up the charges and they'll convict you anyway.

Maybe we have to take a look at what we call violence. First of all if two Men want to fight I say let them. Actually Women as well. I took a buddy to one of my hole in the wall bars and two Women actually did start fighting. He said something like "Some bar you brought me to" and I said "Yup, free entertainment". Just fighting is one thing, but some start throwing the tables around n shit and that can get dangerous to bystanders. I thought it was cool watching them. And some bars I have been to don't even call the police if you shoot someone, they just tell you to drag the body out or you're barred. Mop up and move on.

Violence was very likely quite under reported in the old days. Now the neighbors call the police if you have a jetski in your driveway. (that was in Independence, Ohio) They put a guy in jail for not having lids on his garbage cans. Some places in this country are like Singapore, where everything is illegal.

You can go to jail for spanking your kid, no wonder they don't learn respect. The olman only kicked my ass once with a belt, but I had taken a knife to school and brandished it. Today, he would probably be in jail but really, I had it coming. I did not do that again. Today there would have been a visit to a shrink and probably psychotropic drugs involved, the kind most school shooters are on. Back then, the solution was effective and simple, pain. These days, people think they have a right to a pain free life. They want valium for a fucking hangnail.

At least in the US, things were quite different before. When I grew up there were fights all the time. And the fighters sometimes emerges friends. Gained some respect for each other and moved on. It is somehow different now, and it is not the weapons that have changed, it is the people. Personally I don't like it.

Other countries I really can't say. I say as they take in immigrants from violent countries they are goig to have more violence. Simple logic there. That is why I am now against immigration. I know it has been an open door policy here in the past, and that produced some good results. Many of the innovators and inventors in this country were first generation or actually off the boat. But we're not getting that type of people anymore. We are getting the refuse other governments want to slough off on us. It is like they are emptying their prisons or something. How many doctors and engineers have applied for asylum from say - Syria ?

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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/29/2017 12:07:43 PM   
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In most Western countries crime rates and especially violent crime rates are falling. This is not reflected in media coverage of crime, especially in tabloid media and its electronic equivalents, where the opposite impression - that crime is spiralling out of control - is far more likely to be generated.

In fact in most parts of the West, it is about as safe as it has ever been, possibly safer. So perhaps the real question that should be asked here is: 'Why are so many people's perception of crime levels at such variance to the reality of crime rates?'

Because violence gets ratings. Also in some cases violence advances causes the broadcasters support .

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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/29/2017 10:48:04 PM   
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In most Western countries crime rates and especially violent crime rates are falling. This is not reflected in media coverage of crime, especially in tabloid media and its electronic equivalents, where the opposite impression - that crime is spiralling out of control - is far more likely to be generated.

In fact in most parts of the West, it is about as safe as it has ever been, possibly safer. So perhaps the real question that should be asked here is: 'Why are so many people's perception of crime levels at such variance to the reality of crime rates?'


First thing that makes me think of is Katie Hopkin's view of a broken London at war with itself after the recent attack on Westminster, versus the reality, noted by almost everybody else, of Londoners pretty much pulling together and carrying on peacefully.



So her solution is what then??? She sounds like an idiot.. "That in fact we should blame Brexit supporters. For believing in a Britain. As it was before." Hmmm... she thinks Brits want a Britain as it was before? Has she somehow forgotten about the IRA & the Real IRA and the b0mbs they set off? Terrorists arent new.. Even Canada has had them (the FLQ, the Squamish Five, etc)..

There are crazies in this world, sometimes lightening strikes and you are at the wrong place at the wrong time... but..

"The chances of being killed in a terrorist attack are about 1 in 20 million. A person is as likely to be killed by his or her own furniture, and more likely to die in a car accident, drown in a bathtub, or in a building fire than from a terrorist attack."
http://www.lifeinsurancequotes.org/additional-resources/deadly-statistics/

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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/30/2017 7:09:31 AM   
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Media tends to distort perspective. They will report every armed robbery but not the ones thwarted by an armed Citizen. Their agenda is obvious. There are enough exceptions but that is usually in local news where they just can't hide it.

Like the guy who owned the gas station right down the street where I used to get my beer and Ma used to get gas and cigarettes. He was an armed Citizen but he made the mistake of not shooting to kill and the perp turned around and killed him. They caught the punk, but the guy who was a business owner and taxpayer is no more, because he did not want to kill. He shot the perp in the arm and the leg. He had a CCW so I imagine some degree of being able to aim.

The local news could not really avoid that story because too any local people knew about it. In fact I didn't even see it on the news, I heard form neighbors etc. about it. But there is enough crime in this country that something like this does not make the national news. So they give it like thirty seconds on the news and then "Where to get a great haircut" right away.

Mainstream media is more of a distraction these days than an actual source of news. Sensationalism rules the airwaves. And the TV shows make you think they go out of their way to solve every murder. That is simply not true. Over half of them go unsolved, and of those many are not even investigated. If they can't pin it on someone like a Husband or Wife, or lover or something, they pretty much drop it. Like the show Homicide Hunter, that is based on a guy who was unusually diligent in his job as a detective. They made a show out of it because it is unusual.

The other thing is of course, what do you consider violence ? In some cases you can go to jail for yelling at someone ?

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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/30/2017 7:23:30 AM   
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You're not very likely to be killed by a gun either. You are more likely to hit the lottery.

wrong...you are more likely to win the lottery, than killed by a muslim
The data come from a 2016 report by the National Safety Council and the National Center for Health Statistics' final 2013 report on causes of death in the US, which was released in February 2016 (and is the most current).

Murdered by a gun, is 1 in 249
Assaulted with a gun 1 in 358
Foreign born terrorists' 1 in 45.808
Refugee Terrorists. 1 in 46, 192,893
Illegal Immigrant terrorist. 138,324,873

Odds of winning the lottery are 175,000,000 million to one

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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/30/2017 9:39:24 AM   
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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/30/2017 9:50:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		That one in 249, that must mean in a lifetime and include the military and police. We only gun down about 30,000 people a year here, out of 325 million. That is less than one one hundredth of one percent. You have to watch what is included in those statistics. Or is that worldwide ?

If you remove a few major cities from those stats, our murder rate is not that bad. But there are gang wars, which are spawned because of the stupid war on drugs. They're fighting for turf in Utah. Utah ? Talk about "going to Mayberry", which was gang slang for opening up a new market in a small town. Though Salt Lake is not a small town, there was a time when they never heard of the crips or the bloods. Now they're crawling with them. All cities with high murder rates are. People do not just kill people for nothing, if it is not revenge, which there is alot of, they kill for money, or a market. The US government does it all the time in other countries, why the hell shouldn't we ?

If the odds of getting murdered by a gun, IN THIS COUNTRY, was actually one in 249, one in 249 people would be dead. That means almost a million. And it says the terrorism odds are based on a forty one year average. That is back to 1976.

Since the gun killing rate is about 30,000 a year, simple math tells us that our odds of getting killed by a gun are about one in a million. I cannot stake any confidence in that website's statistics. Too much discrepancy.

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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/30/2017 11:51:45 AM   
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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/30/2017 12:43:24 PM   
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But getting that education part right will be difficult too, since US is against Common Core.



The problem with common core is that parents (or grand parents) are asked to help the kids do homework.

I tried to help my grandson with his math, which is the new common core process

I could not comprehend the system they were using, so I did it the way I learned, and got the right answer but the bitch of a teacher took points off because he got the right answer the 'wrong' way.

It is bullshit.



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RE: Violent crimes world wide. - 3/30/2017 1:09:10 PM   
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Okay, gun crime in the US is bad. Terrorists using guns in Europe is just as bad. That's not true jlf1961

Whether i hate guns is irrelevant i would word it like this. Gun crime is out of control in America (it’s a stand out of all nations) - Murder by gun what’s that 10 000 - 15000. or Gun violence in the United States results in tens of thousands of deaths and injuries annually.[1] In 2013, there were 73,505 nonfatal firearm injuries (23.2 injuries per 100,000 U.S. citizens),[2][3] and 33,636 deaths due to "injury by firearms" (10.6 deaths per 100,000 U.S. citizens).[4] These deaths consisted of 11,208 homicides,[5] 21,175 suicides,[4] 505 deaths due to accidental or negligent discharge of a firearm, and 281 deaths due to firearms use with "undetermined intent".[4] Of the 2,596,993 total deaths in the US in 2013, 1.3% were related to firearms.[1][6] The ownership and control of guns are among the most widely debated issues in the country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States




Point one:

I mention gun related terrorism in Europe for a specific reason:
Most European countries have gun laws that make it difficult if not damn near impossible to own a gun, yet those laws did nothing to prevent guns from being used to commit the most heinous non-bomb related terrorist attacks in Europe since the Munich Olympics!

I will go further to say that while gun related crimes are much much lower in Europe compared to the US, the strict gun laws has not prevented them from happening.

I will also point out that in gun related homicides, the US is NOT at the top of the list. In the Western Hemisphere the US ranks 18th, behind Mexico, and Central American countries and even the south American nations.

In many of those countries, gun related murders are so common they dont even rate a freaking headline in the papers.

So, why single out the US?

Further:
A problem with your statistics, which I have pointed out god knows how many times.

Gun crime is separate from self inflicted or accidents.

Why do you insist on putting the two together?

It makes just as much sense as putting auto accidents involving drunk drivers in the same category as legitimate accidents and accidents due to pure stupidity.

What I have said all along is that if states require people to pass a written and road test to get a license to drive a fucking car, why not require at least a written safety test to buy a gun?

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What is new is how FREE SPEECH gets more exposed than before.

In the past, if someone says hateful things, there isn't an online platform to broadcast their offensive opinions to the rest of the world. It would just be within their tiny community.

Today, everyone is saying offensive things online to piss everybody off!

So more people are expose to people offensive thoughts, more people get angry and get more violent.


Your argument is a bit flawed.

Hateful and offensive or politically motivated hate speech is faster in getting out, but the number of people over all is about the same.

The Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini got his anti government speeches and sermons spread through Iran prior to the fall of the Shah by cassette tapes smuggled into the country and then they were duplicated and distributed.

It took longer but the results were the same.

Terrorist organizations before the internet did the same thing with video tapes, cassettes and written word.

The difference today is that it is faster.

You can blame the internet and social media, the news media (lets face it, violence shoots ratings through the roof.)

I was in LA the night of the Rodney King beating verdicts when the cops were acquitted.

One incident caught on tape by a news helicopter and broadcast locally as "breaking news" did not stem the riots but added fuel to the fire. Then CNN rebroadcast it, and suddenly all hell was breaking loose.

Hell, there used to be an unspoken agreement between authorities and the news media to limit coverage of 'critical' situations to keep them from escalating out of control. Rumors broadcast as facts does not help (the guy with the gun at a pizza parlor because of fake news of a child sex ring operating out of the business run by Hilary Clinton and high ranking democrats come to mind.)

Of course, anyone with some cash can go down to the Fedex store or the UPS store and get a few hundred hate filled anti what or whoever books printed up and then hand them out on a street corner.

Its not illegal, but it can sure make things go bad fast.

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