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vincentML -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/1/2017 12:19:09 PM)
quote: Article 6 of the US Constitution...? http://constitution.findlaw.com/article6.html https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlevi This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding. Not sure how the US Constitution is a 'bullshit opinion'... Well done, excellent point . . . . BUT. . . .there is nothing in Article 6 or in any U.S.Code that I know of that mandates the states' must comply with the detention requests. So, what would be the brief in the arrest warrant for the mayor or judge? What is the legal arrest warrant for?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/1/2017 3:00:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InfoMan percentages paint a different picture then numbers. 2% mortality rate for a medication seems low. 30,000 deaths due to a medication seems high. So even if it is only 1.6% refusal to cooperate - 2400 annually may be an excessive value. It is something you need to let pan out to see if it is really with in acceptable margins. See now, there you go making silly arguments. [:D] Numbers will be used by the Left when the numbers can be used in their favor. Percentages will be used when the percentages can be used in their favor. For instance, any tax cut that results in a greater $$ being saved by "the rich" will be railed against, even if the overall % of reductions is heavily leaning away from "the rich." The Oil Industry makes Billions in profits each quarter, but at a ridiculously low margin. Apple's margin is a shit ton higher, but their overall profit dollars are much lower, so Apple isn't railed against.

BamaD -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/1/2017 5:07:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: InfoMan quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML {Out of 2825 detention requests for that week plays out to almost 146,900 detention requests for the year. 2400/146900 still equal 1.6%} percentages paint a different picture then numbers. 2% mortality rate for a medication seems low. 30,000 deaths due to a medication seems high. So even if it is only 1.6% refusal to cooperate - 2400 annually may be an excessive value. It is something you need to let pan out to see if it is really with in acceptable margins. quote: {How do you know what their jail terms were?} Because you don't get convicted of a crime and simply walk out the front door afterwords. Once you're convicted of a crime, you're remanded to the custody of police/corrections until your sentence is resolved, then and only then do you get released. The DHS report implies that these individuals where 'released' - which means that their supposed sentences (what ever they may be) where resolved. quote: An Illegal, but not guilty of any state law. {What are the states' legal mandates to fulfill the police functions of the Federal Government? Show me please. Not just your bullshit opinions.} Article 6 of the US Constitution...? http://constitution.findlaw.com/article6.html https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlevi This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding. Not sure how the US Constitution is a 'bullshit opinion'... quote: {One more point to consider. There are 12 Million estimated Illegals in America . . . and for 2400 detention rejections you wish to unleash the police power of the Federal, State, and local jurisdictions, and all the attendant costs? That makes sense to you? } It is not a detention rejection - it is a refusal to fulfill a detainer. In effect - the federal government is saying 'Hey, hold on to that guy until we can get down there and pick him up...' and the state just ignored the call and cut the guy loose first chance they get. While it may seem like nothing... But in a worse case situation - It is like letting a Drug Overlord, Terrorist Leader, or Human Trafficker go because the broken tail light violation was just a simple ticket and the 'sanctuary city' didn't feel the need to inform Federal Authorities of the person in question. It is a BS opinion because he doesn't like it. Don't pit the illegals in jail, put them on chain gangs building the wall. See I just saved a bunch of money.

mnottertail -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/1/2017 5:17:34 PM)
good man, although severely retarded welfare patient, take down to the lowest line manager of corporations and put them building the wall, then when they are done incarcerate them for life, and take thier and their corporations money, problem solved.

BamaD -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/1/2017 6:18:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail good man, although severely retarded welfare patient, take down to the lowest line manager of corporations and put them building the wall, then when they are done incarcerate them for life, and take thier and their corporations money, problem solved. You know that line management does not make these decisions therefore they are not responsible

InfoMan -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/2/2017 5:18:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML Well done, excellent point . . . . BUT. . . .there is nothing in Article 6 or in any U.S.Code that I know of that mandates the states' must comply with the detention requests. So, what would be the brief in the arrest warrant for the mayor or judge? What is the legal arrest warrant for? 38 U.S. Code § 902 - Enforcement and arrest authority of Department police officers https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/38/902 (1) Employees of the Department who are Department police officers shall, with respect to acts occurring on Department property— (A) enforce Federal laws; (B) enforce the rules prescribed under section 901 of this title; (C) enforce traffic and motor vehicle laws of a State or local government (by issuance of a citation for violation of such laws) within the jurisdiction of which such Department property is located as authorized by an express grant of authority under applicable State or local law; (D) carry the appropriate Department-issued weapons, including firearms, while off Department property in an official capacity or while in an official travel status; (E) conduct investigations, on and off Department property, of offenses that may have been committed on property under the original jurisdiction of Department, consistent with agreements or other consultation with affected Federal, State, or local law enforcement agencies; and (F) carry out, as needed and appropriate, the duties described in subparagraphs (A) through (E) when engaged in duties authorized by other Federal statutes. They have to uphold federal law. they have to conduct investigations into the violations of that law. Which means they should detain the individuals in question during the course of their investigation, and by refusing to do so they are technically in dereliction of duty as an officer of the law and a violation of their code of conduct and oath as an officer. another way to look at it is that they are willfully allowing the commission of a crime to occur due to their inaction. Replace 'immigrant' with 'thief' or 'burglar'... would watching them actively commit a crime be an equally laissez faire thing?

mnottertail -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/2/2017 6:16:30 AM)
Those are police officers at veterans affairs and hospitals and other federal reservations. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/38/part-I

InfoMan -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/2/2017 8:24:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Those are police officers at veterans affairs and hospitals and other federal reservations. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/38/part-I Yes... yes it is. Whoops. Lets see... US Code 8? https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1252c authorizes local police to detain illegal immigrants Or i could narrow it down to the Code of Ethics for police: https://www.post.ca.gov/commission-procedure-c-3-law-enforcement-code-of-ethics.aspx which says that they will obey the laws of the land. but truth be told - it is actually fairly difficult to narrow down exactly who has jurisdiction or the right in this situation because it is this giant nebulious grey area between the power of State and Federal officials. Implicitly through the constitution you are beholden to the Federal Law as an officer of the state - but there is nothing that specifically says that you MUST arrest them either as 8 U.S. Code § 1252c simply states that they are 'Authorized' to do so... not that they are required to do so... which is why this argument has gained so much traction.

mnottertail -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/2/2017 8:59:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: InfoMan quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Those are police officers at veterans affairs and hospitals and other federal reservations. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/38/part-I Yes... yes it is. Whoops. Lets see... US Code 8? https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1252c authorizes local police to detain illegal immigrants Or i could narrow it down to the Code of Ethics for police: https://www.post.ca.gov/commission-procedure-c-3-law-enforcement-code-of-ethics.aspx which says that they will obey the laws of the land. but truth be told - it is actually fairly difficult to narrow down exactly who has jurisdiction or the right in this situation because it is this giant nebulious grey area between the power of State and Federal officials. Implicitly through the constitution you are beholden to the Federal Law as an officer of the state - but there is nothing that specifically says that you MUST arrest them either as 8 U.S. Code § 1252c simply states that they are 'Authorized' to do so... not that they are required to do so... which is why this argument has gained so much traction. yes they are authorized to arrest them. they are not compelled to arrest them. Again, you can go search for inapplicable law all day long but the deal is clear. see printz v US and mack v US and Arizona v US And its why the NICS system is fucked up and has more holes than swiss cheese as well. Actually the notion that LEOs have no duty to regard federal law in these matters is well defined. So, each state needs to pass a law for that to be of any effect whatsoever, and its gonna be iffy at best. And dont lets talk about any ethics that cops have no possession of ever.

BamaD -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/2/2017 3:18:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail good man, although severely retarded welfare patient, take down to the lowest line manager of corporations and put them building the wall, then when they are done incarcerate them for life, and take thier and their corporations money, problem solved. Of course you misunderstood. The people who are whining about the cost of sending illegals to prison should consider how much it would save if rather than send them to prison we put them to work building the wall.

mnottertail -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/2/2017 8:15:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail good man, although severely retarded welfare patient, take down to the lowest line manager of corporations and put them building the wall, then when they are done incarcerate them for life, and take thier and their corporations money, problem solved. You know that line management does not make these decisions therefore they are not responsible They are part of that sanctuary and part of the corporation, they knowingly allow this criminal behavior, hey, they are people too. Lock em up and take their possessions and sell them out.

mnottertail -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/2/2017 8:18:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail good man, although severely retarded welfare patient, take down to the lowest line manager of corporations and put them building the wall, then when they are done incarcerate them for life, and take thier and their corporations money, problem solved. Of course you misunderstood. The people who are whining about the cost of sending illegals to prison should consider how much it would save if rather than send them to prison we put them to work building the wall. Of course you are all for keeping the criminal conspiracy at all costs. Jail everyone in the corporation that hires them and sell them out, men women and children. Problem solved in less than ten minutes. Then you can get a job cutting lettuce rather than staying on welfare.

BamaD -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/2/2017 9:09:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail good man, although severely retarded welfare patient, take down to the lowest line manager of corporations and put them building the wall, then when they are done incarcerate them for life, and take thier and their corporations money, problem solved. Of course you misunderstood. The people who are whining about the cost of sending illegals to prison should consider how much it would save if rather than send them to prison we put them to work building the wall. Of course you are all for keeping the criminal conspiracy at all costs. Jail everyone in the corporation that hires them and sell them out, men women and children. Problem solved in less than ten minutes. Then you can get a job cutting lettuce rather than staying on welfare. Good bye

mnottertail -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/3/2017 4:46:13 AM)
See ya, retard.

bounty44 -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/3/2017 5:18:38 AM)
bama, did you expect any different? he's evil.

mnottertail -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/3/2017 5:21:36 AM)
So you guys out here are pimping criminal corporations, and I'm evil? Go make america criminal again, you fuckin retards.

bounty44 -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/3/2017 6:12:34 AM)
yep, evil: 1. morally bad, wicked 2. harmful, intending to do harm

mnottertail -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/3/2017 7:27:51 AM)
Yup felchgobbler and factless nutsuckers. criminal corporate catamites. Morally bankrupt retards. You have demonstrated an intent to do harm to the law and order of the United States of America.

BamaD -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/3/2017 12:58:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 bama, did you expect any different? he's evil. Not really. When I stated that there were those who oppose doing anything to illegals but would favor an extremely hard line against Americans I was thinking of him.

BamaD -> RE: Should we arrest officials in santuary cities? (4/3/2017 1:01:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 bama, did you expect any different? he's evil. I don't think he is so much evil as a severe case of retarded development. He does not seem to have progressed past 12.

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