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The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of the i... - 3/30/2017 11:48:41 AM   
Nelee


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Status: offline 		Does anyone else find themselves feeling nostalgic towards the culture of web 1.0?
I really miss forum culture, and I think that's why I choose to use CS over places like FL, because it reminds me of the internet I enjoyed in the early 2000s. I don't really like the fact that it feels like there are 10 sites the majority of people use and then the rest of them slowly die from the lack of activity over time. It feels like a lot of sites are based on having the most users and monetizing their content than back when it was just a few people starting a forum based in things they liked, and thus attracting like-minded individuals who could enjoy each other's company.

I have so many thoughts on this subject, but I can't seem to articulate them all very well. Maybe it's just the nostalgia, and web 1.0 wasn't the great wild west of creativity and community that I believe it was.

What do you think?
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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 3/31/2017 9:01:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I agree that it was like the wild west in that there was no major influences like the law, or commercialization driving the website forums back then. It was just a bunch geeks with something to say and they made places to say it and share it. That is the spirit embodied in the creation of these forums and the owner has held true to it by not charging membership fees.

However, being you are 20 years old, I find it hard to understand your nostalgia for something in the 90s, or 2000. You would have been surfing the net at the age of 3?

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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/2/2017 12:45:07 AM   
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...your nostalgia for something in the 90s...

Ah, the good ol' days. I remember trying to put together a 486DX-66 with 32Mb of RAM, four US Robotics modems on a Promise Technologies comms expansion board running DOS 5, QEMM, Stacker, and Wildcat BBS software. That was MY first "internet". I think I even had a massive 80Mb HDD.

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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/3/2017 4:15:53 AM   
Nelee


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Well, I agree that it was like the wild west in that there was no major influences like the law, or commercialization driving the website forums back then. It was just a bunch geeks with something to say and they made places to say it and share it. That is the spirit embodied in the creation of these forums and the owner has held true to it by not charging membership fees.

However, being you are 20 years old, I find it hard to understand your nostalgia for something in the 90s, or 2000. You would have been surfing the net at the age of 3?

Oh shoot, I need to change my age. I'm actually 23. But yeah, I used the internet at a pretty young age. But even those communities (the silly ones I was a part of as a child) felt more personal. Most of my nostalgia comes from looking at the net from the early 2000s perspective.


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...your nostalgia for something in the 90s...

Ah, the good ol' days. I remember trying to put together a 486DX-66 with 32Mb of RAM, four US Robotics modems on a Promise Technologies comms expansion board running DOS 5, QEMM, Stacker, and Wildcat BBS software. That was MY first "internet". I think I even had a massive 80Mb HDD.


32mb of RAM, wooo! How technology has changed.

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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/4/2017 3:29:10 PM   
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...your nostalgia for something in the 90s...

Ah, the good ol' days. I remember trying to put together a 486DX-66 with 32Mb of RAM, four US Robotics modems on a Promise Technologies comms expansion board running DOS 5, QEMM, Stacker, and Wildcat BBS software. That was MY first "internet". I think I even had a massive 80Mb HDD.


And some people paid $2,200-$2,800 for that in the mid-'80s, in mid-'80s dollars.

So guess why I'm not paying $600-$750 for a stupid phone and $40 a month to back up the stupidity.

I think it was Netscape who jumped the matter and pointed out how stupid it was to charge long distant phone tolls to get on the internet, but please correct me if I am wrong on that. They had the best browser, by far, in the early 2000s in any case. I actually don't remember how that came about

To the OP Nelle:

It wasn't all love and roses in the early days. I was initially attracted to the home audio 'hi-fi' sites and pro audio B boards, and things went nasty quickly in the former.

Here's the thing, Nelee;

In "the old days," one had to push something into actual print, or maybe some side channel radio or TV to be heard. This is in fact how some people first heard Reagan's proclamation that trees caused more pollution than cars. Nut case radio was a small market at the time, but as it turns out, that was the kernel for nut case internet. Monetization of losers was/is far easier with the internet that it ever was in TV or radio.

In any case, by way of twitface and innumerable forums, we now have every nut case in the world screaming loudly all at once.

You can't expect that every technological advance or economic progression thereby is going to be only for the good, however you or I or another might measure that.

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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/4/2017 3:58:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, let me show you how really old I am and tell you about my first computer. It was an IBM PCjr. with 32 K of RAM, dual 5.25 inch floppy disk drives, and one internal dial up modem. And that was as much as I could build it up to. I'm not saying I miss it but I wonder what a collector would buy it for today? Now, my cell phone does more than that computer did. Imagine what the future holds.

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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/4/2017 7:56:39 PM   
Edwird


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Status: offline 		And I thank folks like yourself and RottenJohnny for diving into all that at the beginning.

Sorry if I came across as a bit snide in my previous post, but it took the early folks to get the rest of us on board, eventually.

My younger brother took me all through how to navigate the system itself and how to work the settings and then the internet. I found U block and NoScript on my own, but that was due to the basic education provided by others. My older brother was/is all over it, too. I didn't mean to be such a Luddite, but that's where it is. I did find and then paid for a piano for the younger brother that made him say "this is the best piano I ever heard!", so I guess I'm good for something.




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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/4/2017 8:17:25 PM   
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I actually took courses in COBOL, RPG, BASIC, JCL, assembly language, all the dinosaur languages, etc., and made decent grades, long time ago, just before PCs. As I sat at the keyboard onetime, I remember saying to myself; "if I am doing this five-ten years from now, I can easily imagine putting a gun to my head." So I left it off. Not everyone is meant for the world of ones and zeroes, or even hexadecimal, or even HTML.

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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/5/2017 11:44:07 AM   
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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/14/2017 5:27:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nelee

Does anyone else find themselves feeling nostalgic towards the culture of web 1.0?
I really miss forum culture, and I think that's why I choose to use CS over places like FL, because it reminds me of the internet I enjoyed in the early 2000s. I don't really like the fact that it feels like there are 10 sites the majority of people use and then the rest of them slowly die from the lack of activity over time. It feels like a lot of sites are based on having the most users and monetizing their content than back when it was just a few people starting a forum based in things they liked, and thus attracting like-minded individuals who could enjoy each other's company.

I have so many thoughts on this subject, but I can't seem to articulate them all very well. Maybe it's just the nostalgia, and web 1.0 wasn't the great wild west of creativity and community that I believe it was.

What do you think?


I miss DOS soooooo much.

(I truly do....there are days when I sit here by my computer......searching for porn that uses 72 DPI images.....oh....the days....).

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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/14/2017 5:56:47 PM   
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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/14/2017 6:41:43 PM   
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I miss the BBS systems that preceded the Internet in any format, and having to use Hayes modem commands just to log into anything in the days before Windows when the Mac hadn't even come out yet. I miss how I never ever had to be concerned with any form of malware when using my Apple //e online. I miss how you could be online all day and never see a single ad, or have cookies spying on your online activities. I miss needing to know how to set up file transfer protocols that would allow different types of devices to communicate. I miss how you could be online all day and never have a single software hangup that gave you the blue screen of death. (Of course back then it was the green screen.) Mostly I miss how much more civil people were to each other when online.


When I WAS A KID.....I used STRING....TWO Campbells SOUP cans....I YELLED at my recipient and I told them "0100110000110100101110001010101011"

That's the fucking way WE DID shit!!@!

(Uphill...in the motherfucking SNOW!!!)

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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/14/2017 8:08:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I tried that with the cans, but the guy at the other end only knew trinary.
I did spend 3 months of my spare time encoding CP/M one bit at a time by copying it from a printout of the program into my Altair computer I built from a kit in 1975. Had to get the whole thing in perfectly before I could store it to an 8" floppy drive I bought surplus from the Air Force. Took three tries because the power went off twice before I got it all into memory. The following year I built an Imsai 8080, (the same model used in the movie "Wargames") but since I had a good copy of CP/M on a floppy it only took seconds to get that one going.

Things I don't miss...
Waiting over an hour for a bitmap image to download using a 300bd modem.
Paying $5000 for my first 5K hard drive.
Paying $3/min for access to some data services.
Getting knocked offline by incoming phone calls.

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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/15/2017 8:03:37 PM   
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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/15/2017 8:32:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix


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I miss the BBS systems that preceded the Internet in any format, and having to use Hayes modem commands just to log into anything in the days before Windows when the Mac hadn't even come out yet. I miss how I never ever had to be concerned with any form of malware when using my Apple //e online. I miss how you could be online all day and never see a single ad, or have cookies spying on your online activities. I miss needing to know how to set up file transfer protocols that would allow different types of devices to communicate. I miss how you could be online all day and never have a single software hangup that gave you the blue screen of death. (Of course back then it was the green screen.) Mostly I miss how much more civil people were to each other when online.


When I WAS A KID.....I used STRING....TWO Campbells SOUP cans....I YELLED at my recipient and I told them "0100110000110100101110001010101011"

That's the fucking way WE DID shit!!@!

(Uphill...in the motherfucking SNOW!!!)


That string-between-cans thing never never worked unless the string was stretched tight (basic physics). If the string isn't taught, no possibility of energy transfer. You can hear each other better just yelling over any distance you could keep a reasonably taught string.

Just listening through the central heating vents or a culvert outdoors worked much better. Picking up the second (landline) phone in the house at just the right time worked pretty well, too. Not any ones or zeros needed for that. Human brains and the ear-brain systems are analog, hence the need for an ADC at the end of it. All digital does is to increase density and annoyance factor of data. Useful for some things, but certainly not for privacy or
for sustainably listenable audio.

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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/15/2017 9:11:55 PM   
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"0100110000110100101110001010101011" That's the fucking way WE DID shit!!@!

(Uphill...in the motherfucking SNOW!!!)


"0100/1100/0011/0100/1011/1000/1010/1010/11(??)"

"2/3/12/2/13/1/5/5/3" or, "231-221-31553"

Base two hexidecimal to base ten conversion, I hope I remembered that right.

Was it excessive snow that made the girls' phone numbers one digit longer by way of frosty memory up there?



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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/16/2017 5:05:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		No wait, that was full-word in assembler language, sorry.

Hexidecimal is 1-9 then ABCDEF to get us up to 15.

I am daft, sorry.

Memory

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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/16/2017 5:07:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HaveRopeWillBind

I miss the BBS systems that preceded the Internet in any format, and having to use Hayes modem commands just to log into anything in the days before Windows when the Mac hadn't even come out yet. I miss how I never ever had to be concerned with any form of malware when using my Apple //e online. I miss how you could be online all day and never see a single ad, or have cookies spying on your online activities. I miss needing to know how to set up file transfer protocols that would allow different types of devices to communicate. I miss how you could be online all day and never have a single software hangup that gave you the blue screen of death. (Of course back then it was the green screen.) Mostly I miss how much more civil people were to each other when online.


When I WAS A KID.....I used STRING....TWO Campbells SOUP cans....I YELLED at my recipient and I told them "0100110000110100101110001010101011"

That's the fucking way WE DID shit!!@!

(Uphill...in the motherfucking SNOW!!!)

With No bloody erasers/rubbers

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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/16/2017 5:15:45 AM   
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No wait, that was full-word in assembler language, sorry.

Hexidecimal is 1-9 then ABCDEF to get us up to 15.

I am daft, sorry.

Memory

0-9

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RE: The death of web 1.0 and the commercialization of t... - 4/16/2017 5:17:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		My classes from grade 2 onward required use of fountain pen for all writing, pencil being allowed only for math (until public [public] school half-way through 6th grade). It was all ball points and spit balls after that.

But I only walked three blocks to school in the earlier event, not five miles.

Cushy job.



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