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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 12:20:34 PM   
Edwird


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Status: offline 		How do you get that? Whatever I 'missed' or not.

I was presenting evidence against a particular point, not asserting what was or wasn't in whomever voters' or non-voters' minds.

Congrats to yourself for having it all sussed out.

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 12:26:31 PM   
Musicmystery


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You're smart enough to figure out the rest.

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 12:31:02 PM   
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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 12:34:08 PM   
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There's enough pointless bullshit here without adding to it, so play by yourself.

You and DS want to keep going at it like it's totally a Dem/Rep thing, knock yourselves out.

You'll both be wrong. But if it feels good, have fun.

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 12:42:01 PM   
Edwird


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Status: offline 		Yes, my reference to Gary Johnson and Jill Stein and constant alluding to non-voters is what gave me away as being all about the Republicans and Democrats, right?

Oh darn.

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 12:49:27 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		Again, there's enough of this bullshit without adding another pointless pissing match.

I bow to your amazing and clearly superior wisdom and argumentation. Enjoy.

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 12:53:58 PM   
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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 1:56:37 PM   
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BOTH of you are ignoring that the majority of voters are Independents.


So you're saying there are more independents than Democrats and Republicans?
I find that hard to believe.

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 2:00:43 PM   
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BOTH of you are ignoring that the majority of voters are Independents.


So you're saying there are more independents than Democrats and Republicans?
I find that hard to believe.

You really don't think the small turnout last November makes a case for that argument?

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 2:01:45 PM   
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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 2:03:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

BOTH of you are ignoring that the majority of voters are Independents.


So you're saying there are more independents than Democrats and Republicans?
I find that hard to believe.

Whichever party figures that our will OWN the country.

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 2:03:55 PM   
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BOTH of you are ignoring that the majority of voters are Independents.


So you're saying there are more independents than Democrats and Republicans?
I find that hard to believe.

No doubt, if you're one who goes by belief instead of data.

But for those who prefer data to belief, in 2016, the Pew Research Center reports:

Independents: 48%
Democrats: 28%
Republicans: 18%

So yes, 48% of people registered Independent, more than the 46% sticking with the two major parties.

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 2:04:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

BOTH of you are ignoring that the majority of voters are Independents.


So you're saying there are more independents than Democrats and Republicans?
I find that hard to believe.

You really don't think the small turnout last November makes a case for that argument?


It's possible in the last election maybe but I would even doubt that.

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 2:07:35 PM   
Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

BOTH of you are ignoring that the majority of voters are Independents.


So you're saying there are more independents than Democrats and Republicans?
I find that hard to believe.

No doubt, if you're one who goes by belief instead of data.

But for those who prefer data to belief, in 2016, the Pew Research Center reports:

Independents: 48%
Democrats: 28%
Republicans: 18%

So yes, 48% of people registered Independent, more than the 46% sticking with the two major parties.

Then I guess you're a whatever you believe person and not a what does the data show person.

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 2:11:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

BOTH of you are ignoring that the majority of voters are Independents.


So you're saying there are more independents than Democrats and Republicans?
I find that hard to believe.

No doubt, if you're one who goes by belief instead of data.

But for those who prefer data to belief, in 2016, the Pew Research Center reports:

Independents: 48%
Democrats: 28%
Republicans: 18%

So yes, 48% of people registered Independent, more than the 46% sticking with the two major parties.

Then I guess you're a whatever you believe person and not a what does the data show person.


I don't take too much stock in polls but even so, isn't there a margin of error with that poll? Regardless, I'm not sure if I really care about the point to begin with.

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 2:13:12 PM   
WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

BOTH of you are ignoring that the majority of voters are Independents.


So you're saying there are more independents than Democrats and Republicans?
I find that hard to believe.

You really don't think the small turnout last November makes a case for that argument?


It's possible in the last election maybe but I would even doubt that.

Look at it this way: a big chunk of the faithful on both sides found their party's nominee repulsive and either stayed home or made a protest vote. In that case the independents (and whatever you can say about the biovating orange fucktard in the white house, he did a much better job of targeting the non-republican/alt right voter than a decade of Koch funded teaparty nonsense ever managed) became a much bigger factor than they would have been in a race between Sanders and Bush.
This is, as mm says, something that the party faithful are wont to overlook, for a variety of reasons, and the reason for the whole "a third party vote is a vote for whoever wins this time rather than their opponent", which is drivel as an argument: the whole point of a protest vote is that it isn't a vote for either of the two parties. I suppose it empowers some people to spin abstaining or voting none of the above as tacit support for the winner, but it's no such thing in practice.

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 2:13:41 PM   
Musicmystery


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Status: offline 		I don't think you understand the difference between research data and a poll.

And probably, as you say, you don't care anyway. Just believe whatever.

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 2:17:00 PM   
Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

BOTH of you are ignoring that the majority of voters are Independents.


So you're saying there are more independents than Democrats and Republicans?
I find that hard to believe.

You really don't think the small turnout last November makes a case for that argument?


It's possible in the last election maybe but I would even doubt that.

Look at it this way: a big chunk of the faithful on both sides found their party's nominee repulsive and either stayed home or made a protest vote. In that case the independents (and whatever you can say about the biovating orange fucktard in the white house, he did a much better job of targeting the non-republican/alt right voter than a decade of Koch funded teaparty nonsense ever managed) became a much bigger factor than they would have been in a race between Sanders and Bush.
This is, as mm says, something that the party faithful are wont to overlook, for a variety of reasons, and the reason for the whole "a third party vote is a vote for whoever wins this time rather than their opponent", which is drivel as an argument: the whole point of a protest vote is that it isn't a vote for either of the two parties. I suppose it empowers some people to spin abstaining or voting none of the above as tacit support for the winner, but it's no such thing in practice.

This last election EASILY could have been an election where Dems and Reps were minor players. The only reason it wasn't is that the sheep have been conditioned to believe that only the two "major" party candidates can win. That may have once been true, but it's only true today if people keep behaving as if it were true.

We could end the reign of Dems/Reps in 2018 if we had the will to vote that way. Let the Libertarians, Conservatives, and Greens fight it out.

Or let an Independent waltz away with the election.

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 2:23:14 PM   
WhoreMods


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Status: offline 		It'd have been very interesting to see what happened last year if la boheme boy had stood as an independent rather than getting the Republican nomination...

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RE: The Clinton Legacy - 4/3/2017 2:42:21 PM   
Edwird


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Status: offline 		Thank you for noticing what is obvious to any thinking person, and comprehending what is actually said (or not) in any case.

I'm just about beyond caring about Brexit or Trump anymore.

But thanks in any case for having such awareness or other perspicacity to understand that I am not nearly anything to do with Republicans or Democrats.

We have troubles with reading skills in this country, no doubt.

Once someone gets on his pony, he can't be stopped. That's how it works here.



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