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AtUrCervix -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 6:36:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

so 10 years aint enough to heal it, wonder how many decades it will take, a hundred years? more?

There ARE a few lakes that have recovered -- lower ones, though, with more water flowing through them. Brooktrout Lake in particular.


I'm looking for the post that had the images and your comments as to the lake with no fish...where is this place?

(WHY is this place?)




thompsonx -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 6:51:28 PM)

Alkies are wet or dry...loadies are straight or loaded.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.




thompsonx -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 6:52:43 PM)


ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix


(WHY is this place?)

Acid rain.




bounty44 -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 7:28:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

so 10 years aint enough to heal it, wonder how many decades it will take, a hundred years? more?

There ARE a few lakes that have recovered -- lower ones, though, with more water flowing through them. Brooktrout Lake in particular.


I'm looking for the post that had the images and your comments as to the lake with no fish...where is this place?

(WHY is this place?)


im from wny, went to undergrad in cny, have worked in the backcountry Adirondacks, riding, hiking, canoeing and camping. if im following what youre asking...

industrial waste made its way into the atmosphere and the weather system carried those waste products, via the rain, into the Adirondack water system, changing the pH and making it uninhabitable for certain fish, or in some cases, all fish and plant life. it affected the forest as well.

this was predominantly discovered during the 70s/80s and when it was, some changes were eventually made that have been improving the ecosystem but there is still a way to go and its debatable, depending on who youre listening to, as to whether or not things will improve or worsen.






bounty44 -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 7:35:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

ORIGINAL: bounty44

hey troll:

"Confirmed: The $35,000 Tesla Model 3 Was Unveiled in March 2016"

We are not discussing the model 3 dumbass.




Dude...I'm soooo sorry...(my error)....I thought you were discussing products that Tesla was actually selling (I'm sure that's what you were saying....clearly...I misinterpreted your comments...as in..."all Tesla products"...like...the stuff they were selling...fuck...I feel like a TOTAL doof...were you saying that...products that drove on a similar street as Tesla products (drive on) don't sell for less than 40 grand?

Is that what you were saying?

Like...stuff they're (actually) selling but...excluding some percentage of their actual product base?

(Fuck...I feel like a total MORON!!!...I thought you were saying that...TESLA did not have a product that sold for under 40 grand....dude...my fucking error!!!).

(GAWWWWD...I want to crawl in to a hole...what a dickhead I am).

You excluded the Model 3 (without actually defining that....you were excluding....like...one of their actual products)...why didn't you SAY so????

If you had told me there was only ONE SUN in our solar system...and then said...."but if there were TWO...then the Earth would be warmer"...well....that would have made so much more sense....BMOC...I'm so sorry...I totally missed your point.

(My error).

Forgive me dude.


hey troll---as I pointed out to you and as cervix has pointed out to you here, HE was clearly thinking of and referring to the model 3. your inability to think in the abstract or understand subtleties in conversation makes YOU the dumb ass.

look familiar?

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you could have found that information yourself in just a couple of minutes of looking as opposed to sticking by your untenable position of 62k---as if tesla was only making one model and cervix wasn't talking about that??

so if you try to hang your hat on the "model s" distinction, youre going to look all the more a fool.







AtUrCervix -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 7:45:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

so 10 years aint enough to heal it, wonder how many decades it will take, a hundred years? more?

There ARE a few lakes that have recovered -- lower ones, though, with more water flowing through them. Brooktrout Lake in particular.


I'm looking for the post that had the images and your comments as to the lake with no fish...where is this place?

(WHY is this place?)


im from wny, went to undergrad in cny, have worked in the backcountry Adirondacks, riding, hiking, canoeing and camping. if im following what youre asking...

industrial waste made its way into the atmosphere and the weather system carried those waste products, via the rain, into the Adirondack water system, changing the pH and making it uninhabitable for certain fish, or in some cases, all fish and plant life. it affected the forest as well.

this was predominantly discovered during the 70s/80s and when it was, some changes were eventually made that have been improving the ecosystem but there is still a way to go and its debatable, depending on who youre listening to, as to whether or not things will improve or worsen.



Gawd...how fucking horrible....this is that whole acid rain thing?

Why not surrounding lakes?

(Is it surrounding lakes?)




Musicmystery -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 7:47:33 PM)

Mainly it's sulfur dioxide from coal plants in the Mid-West, carried on prevailing westerlies and falling with the rain into the ecosystem.

The post with the pictures is Colden Lake -- it's in the High Peaks.


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

On one extreme, Lake Colden is dead -- a 41 acre lake with literally not a single fish. All dead.

[image]http://68.media.tumblr.com/2939242626504d4b0c9371ee7ec34f31/tumblr_msy8tlHznX1rkmk8zo1_500.jpg[/image]

From there, as you radiate out, depends on how much new water flows in to help wash out or at least dilute the sulfur dioxide.





AtUrCervix -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 7:50:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Mainly it's sulfur dioxide from coal plants in the Mid-West, carried on prevailing westerlies and falling with the rain into the ecosystem.

The post with the pictures is Colden Lake -- it's in the High Peaks.


Jeeeezuz....a whole fucking lake with no fish....gawdamn.

Ya know...all these fucks that think we ain't "causing it"....why does it even matter who's doing it?

(I've always said..."who gives a shit? We can do better")




AtUrCervix -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 7:52:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Mainly it's sulfur dioxide from coal plants in the Mid-West, carried on prevailing westerlies and falling with the rain into the ecosystem.

The post with the pictures is Colden Lake -- it's in the High Peaks.


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

On one extreme, Lake Colden is dead -- a 41 acre lake with literally not a single fish. All dead.

[image]http://68.media.tumblr.com/2939242626504d4b0c9371ee7ec34f31/tumblr_msy8tlHznX1rkmk8zo1_500.jpg[/image]

From there, as you radiate out, depends on how much new water flows in to help wash out or at least dilute the sulfur dioxide.




That is just fucked up.




thompsonx -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 7:58:55 PM)


ORIGINAL: bounty44

hey troll---as I pointed out to you and as cervix has pointed out to you here, HE was clearly thinking of and referring to the model 3. your inability to think in the abstract or understand subtleties in conversation makes YOU the dumb ass.

You can't read what I post and I can't read your mind. That would make you the dumbass.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.





thompsonx -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 8:01:30 PM)


ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix


That is just fucked up.

Just a few capitalist trying to make a buck. Who gives a shit what a bunch of 'tree huggers' think.




AtUrCervix -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 8:17:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: bounty44

hey troll---as I pointed out to you and as cervix has pointed out to you here, HE was clearly thinking of and referring to the model 3. your inability to think in the abstract or understand subtleties in conversation makes YOU the dumb ass.

You can't read what I post and I can't read your mind. That would make you the dumbass.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.




Thompson...I'm just gonna throw out some spitballs here but (and I think I'm right)...I think where he was going with his comments were (was?)...that you're (maybe some others can help me out here...I certainly don't want to be accusatory)...well....(you're) kind of a dumb ass (I was going to say "dumb fuck"...but....that would be unkind...and I'm hardly that)....I mean...if we go over the facts (ya know...that stuff about the car and shit...ya know...where you said something that was....basically...well...like...entirely untrue...and then attempted to backpedal and shit)...

(I kinda think that's where he was going...ya know....with....you being a dumb fuck...I...mean...{dumb} shit...and all).

I may be wrong....maybe he was saying something entirely....not at all that...(but...I kinda think I'm right....that he was ya know...kinda calling you a dumb fuck...like most think of you....you know...like....anyone with an IQ over "potato" thinks of you...).





thompsonx -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 8:20:48 PM)


ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

Read what I posted. My post specifically calls out the base price for the s model.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.




AtUrCervix -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 8:21:41 PM)

(Dude....I've been wrong before...this could be the second time....although....just to be {entirely} fair...it's well.........a bit unlikely).




AtUrCervix -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 8:24:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

Read what I posted. My post specifically calls out the base price for the s model.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



Well.....phooooooque....I guess I (and at least a few others....as in....everyone) seem(s) to have missed that particular comment.

(Thanks for clarifying).




AtUrCervix -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 8:27:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

Read what I posted. My post specifically calls out the base price for the s model.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.



Your 15 minutes were up a while back.

(Take a seat...I ordered you a Pepsi).




WickedsDesire -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/21/2017 10:44:12 PM)

I will just jam this one in here What's made Canada's Slims River disappear?

and lob in a link to this thread First coal-free day in Britain since Industrial Revolution




bounty44 -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/22/2017 3:32:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: thompsonx


ORIGINAL: bounty44

hey troll---as I pointed out to you and as cervix has pointed out to you here, HE was clearly thinking of and referring to the model 3. your inability to think in the abstract or understand subtleties in conversation makes YOU the dumb ass.

You can't read what I post and I can't read your mind. That would make you the dumbass.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.




its clear from what I wrote troll that I did read what you posted, otherwise I wouldnt have made the condemning criticism between the model s and the model 3. its also clear from the context that cervix had in mind something other than the former.

you should have got it the first time without my input. you should have got it the second time, the first time I commented. you should have gotten it the third time, which is the post you replied to here. maybe now you'll get it the 4th time around?




bounty44 -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/22/2017 3:53:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

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ORIGINAL: AtUrCervix


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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

so 10 years aint enough to heal it, wonder how many decades it will take, a hundred years? more?

There ARE a few lakes that have recovered -- lower ones, though, with more water flowing through them. Brooktrout Lake in particular.


I'm looking for the post that had the images and your comments as to the lake with no fish...where is this place?

(WHY is this place?)


im from wny, went to undergrad in cny, have worked in the backcountry Adirondacks, riding, hiking, canoeing and camping. if im following what youre asking...

industrial waste made its way into the atmosphere and the weather system carried those waste products, via the rain, into the Adirondack water system, changing the pH and making it uninhabitable for certain fish, or in some cases, all fish and plant life. it affected the forest as well.

this was predominantly discovered during the 70s/80s and when it was, some changes were eventually made that have been improving the ecosystem but there is still a way to go and its debatable, depending on who youre listening to, as to whether or not things will improve or worsen.



Gawd...how fucking horrible....this is that whole acid rain thing?

Why not surrounding lakes?

(Is it surrounding lakes?)


if you look at a map of the state and the park, you'll see its relatively large and its pretty lake and river dense. so why some lakes and not others might be due to a function of the park's size and how the weather flows over it but yes its happened to a bunch of lakes and ponds.

some of its not just the rain per se too---its also how the rain interacts with the topography and affects the pH of the runoff.

ive never looked at a map of the affected areas, but my guess is they'd have to jibe with weather patterns. however at the same time, some of the lakes are resistant to it because of their large size, while others are more susceptible for their smaller size.

a quick internet search tells me the estimate of affected lakes is ~550 (there are close to 3000 in the park)

its worth noting, "acid rain" occurs all over the world, the Adirondacks, for a number of reasons, are the most visible case of it.

while im here--lemme take a head shot to the troll's stupid greedy capitalist pig type sentiment. there's no evidence im aware of that the companies in ohio and Michigan knew ahead of time what the effects of their emissions would be on the park, many hundreds of miles away, and decided to ignore them in order to make a buck.

whats more---the health of the Adirondacks is not just a matter of "tree huggers." though its sparsely populated, not only do many thousands of people live in the park but many of them make their living on the tourism industry. the acid rain situation affected their drinking water, as well as their ability to earn an income.

at the very least, the epa intervened, with a lot of political support, and started changing regulations to lessen the damaging effects.





thompsonx -> RE: Plunging price of renewable energy makes end of fossil fuels inevitable, says report (4/22/2017 4:05:39 AM)


ORIGINAL: bounty44


What is abundantly clear is that you wish to double down on stupid and would like me to follow suit.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.




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