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Greta75 -> How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 2:03:34 AM)

Germany considers up to 50 Million Euros fine for Fake News.

My country wants to start building new laws to tackle Fake News too. And they like Germany idea ha!

But what other solutions are there?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/03/14/germany-threatens-fine-social-media-companies-50m-hate-speech/

Our country had one fake news case where they jailed the perpetrators. 10 months for the lady who did it. And she was pregnant.

The gist is basically, they reported that a Filipino family complain about the noise of Thaipusam festival, which in Singapore, we will defend the right to practice each person's unique culture. Thaipusam is Indian's unique culture that is practiced here once a year. They do walk on fire and stick multiple long needles into their body and shit and then walk a long distance with music playing. Picture below is an example of how they look like walking around doing their religious Pilgrimage.

[image]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NHqoJd8KzWA/VMJaOvxUCsI/AAAAAAAAX8w/ICYfqXKGC-Q/s1600/thaipusam-festival-celebrations.jpg[/image]

So when a foreigner complains about a culture that is part of Singapore, all Singaporeans get really mad at them and tell them to go home where they come from. And then that poor Filipino family was getting alot of abuse.

When it was fake news. The Real Singapore Website intentionally post that False News to stir up racial trouble in Singapore. And he admitted it later, that they do it to increase traffic in their site and make money from it.

So in many ways, the people involve in writing this fake news deserves the jail term! But that was charge under sedition.

http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore/woman-thaipusam-incident-trs-report-was-all-nonsense

I guess with organizations you can't jail them. So I guess 50mil sounds just about right.




BamaD -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 3:10:25 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

Germany considers up to 50 Million Euros fine for Fake News.

My country wants to start building new laws to tackle Fake News too. And they like Germany idea ha!

But what other solutions are there?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/03/14/germany-threatens-fine-social-media-companies-50m-hate-speech/

Our country had one fake news case where they jailed the perpetrators. 10 months for the lady who did it. And she was pregnant.

The gist is basically, they reported that a Filipino family complain about the noise of Thaipusam festival, which in Singapore, we will defend the right to practice each person's unique culture. Thaipusam is Indian's unique culture that is practiced here once a year. They do walk on fire and stick multiple long needles into their body and shit and then walk a long distance with music playing. Picture below is an example of how they look like walking around doing their religious Pilgrimage.

[image]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NHqoJd8KzWA/VMJaOvxUCsI/AAAAAAAAX8w/ICYfqXKGC-Q/s1600/thaipusam-festival-celebrations.jpg[/image]

So when a foreigner complains about a culture that is part of Singapore, all Singaporeans get really mad at them and tell them to go home where they come from. And then that poor Filipino family was getting alot of abuse.

When it was fake news. The Real Singapore Website intentionally post that False News to stir up racial trouble in Singapore. And he admitted it later, that they do it to increase traffic in their site and make money from it.

So in many ways, the people involve in writing this fake news deserves the jail term! But that was charge under sedition.

http://www.tnp.sg/news/singapore/woman-thaipusam-incident-trs-report-was-all-nonsense

I guess with organizations you can't jail them. So I guess 50mil sounds just about right.



The problem with anti fake news laws is who decides what is fake news.
Bill Clinton wanted to jail people for hate speech. And during the debate about that bill he gave two different things that would be considered hate speech .
One was anyone who was too critical of the government. Another was if a congressman called for smaller government and tax cuts.
Pay attention and hold news sources accountable for what they say.




Greta75 -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 3:22:35 AM)

To me fake news is clear cut.

For example, one Fake News recently in my country, claims that nobody attended an X-President's funeral. That can easily be verified. (And that was probably written by a Racist too, as the President he refers to is Indian in Race, when in truth, he is one of our most beloved President, I would arguably say, the most humble one too, pressured into becoming President because our Founder wanted a Minority President)

I mean, if it was just a personal opinion, then write it as a commentary and clearly state it is just their personal opinion.

If they are reporting it as NEWS, it better be real. And Provable that it is real!





blnymph -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 4:24:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

Germany considers up to 50 Million Euros fine for Fake News.

My country wants to start building new laws to tackle Fake News too. And they like Germany idea ha!

But what other solutions are there?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/03/14/germany-threatens-fine-social-media-companies-50m-hate-speech/
...



The problem with anti fake news laws is who decides what is fake news.
Bill Clinton wanted to jail people for hate speech. And during the debate about that bill he gave two different things that would be considered hate speech .
One was anyone who was too critical of the government. Another was if a congressman called for smaller government and tax cuts.
Pay attention and hold news sources accountable for what they say.



The proposal of Minister Maas is based on fake news court decisions - so there has to be a court decision first.
The problem arose when the sites mentioned in the article failed to remove the fake news postings, or simply ignored the court verdict.

Since all these sites have fast working efficient algorithms to remove bare boobs posts their arguments about technical difficulty of the task are hardly credible.




WickedsDesire -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 5:48:08 AM)

Everyone knows what a complete loon humanitarian I am so I propose
Drizzle them lightly in some psychotic piranhas.
Then hurl them into a volcano.

Problem solved.


Mind you I think in America they voted the biggest consumer of fake news, some mental headcase, their president.
So to that end, and I think we all agree it’s for the best, we open up the Yellowstone caldera.




BoscoX -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 6:14:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: blnymph


quote:

ORIGINAL: BamaD


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

Germany considers up to 50 Million Euros fine for Fake News.

My country wants to start building new laws to tackle Fake News too. And they like Germany idea ha!

But what other solutions are there?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2017/03/14/germany-threatens-fine-social-media-companies-50m-hate-speech/
...



The problem with anti fake news laws is who decides what is fake news.
Bill Clinton wanted to jail people for hate speech. And during the debate about that bill he gave two different things that would be considered hate speech .
One was anyone who was too critical of the government. Another was if a congressman called for smaller government and tax cuts.
Pay attention and hold news sources accountable for what they say.



The proposal of Minister Maas is based on fake news court decisions - so there has to be a court decision first.
The problem arose when the sites mentioned in the article failed to remove the fake news postings, or simply ignored the court verdict.

Since all these sites have fast working efficient algorithms to remove bare boobs posts their arguments about technical difficulty of the task are hardly credible.


Over here many judges are alt left political operatives, and they don't care who knows it. The system has gone to hell, and now they want to make dissenting speech illegal




eulero83 -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 6:43:20 AM)

well here in Italy it can be punished up to three years of jail if it damages someone.




vincentML -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 7:13:04 AM)

~FR~

If you do not live in America and especially if you are a particular asshole who lives in Australia you might not understand the premium we place on freedom of the press and on freedom of speech as the roots of our democracy. We do not care to see the government punishing press or speech. The press can be held to accounts to some degree by our liable laws but if you are a notable person you must go to court and show some degree of malice. Our laws are not as stringent as those in the UK. Hey, that's the way we like it. That's why freedom of Press and freedom of Speech are in the very FIRST Amendment to our constitution and part of our Bill of Rights.




WickedsDesire -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 7:18:54 AM)

I did a free speech thread ages ago...anyhoos

Is lying like fuk free speech? and where does "alternative fact" come into that equation.




igor2003 -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 7:23:03 AM)

So, when the "president" of a world power blatantly tells lies to the people of his country, is that "fake news", and should he (or she) be fined and/or jailed? Or is that actually even worse than "fake news" and the punishment should be even more strict?

Just curious about your opinion.




BoscoX -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 8:06:45 AM)


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ORIGINAL: igor2003

So, when the "president" of a world power blatantly tells lies to the people of his country, is that "fake news", and should he (or she) be fined and/or jailed? Or is that actually even worse than "fake news" and the punishment should be even more strict?

Just curious about your opinion.


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Termyn8or -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 8:24:39 AM)

FR

The situation will correct itself. As they lose credibility they will lose ratings. And by "the book" they will make less money. Eventually they will be impelled to tell the truth, and to retract mistakes. But then, this will take time. It is not going to happen overnight.

They already have a bi problem with the internet, with people going to foreign news sources at least to verify. The internet has changed alot of things. Ask them "How come PressTV is reporting something different ?" and they say "Well that is Iran's propaganda machine" and then ask "Well where did they get those pictures ?". Shit like that. Actually RT is a better sources than Fox. The BBC is pretty good as well.

The problem is that this wil take time. It will take people who will prove them wrong again and again and again and they start losing revenue. Then, I am not sure, seen businesses with a sign says "UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT" ? That is what I forsee. You can fool all of the people some of the time and some of the people all of the time. Eventually come the consequences. When you start losing money because nobody watches your news, you will get the fucking message.

Today, cable boxes tattle on what you watch, some of the even have cameras. Low resolution but they want to know if anyone is actually watching or if you are all outside and forgot to shut the TV off. There is no longer a need for "Neilson families". I used to work on their TVs, they had an addon to the tuner to report what channel it was on. Now that is built right in. hell, you can push a button and order a pay per view. You think they don't know what you're watching ?

In the old days, the market wanted real news. Before TV it was the newspaper. Before that it was Paul Revere with one if by land n shit.

But never underestimate the power of the media. They can start a war or stop one. They can cause a revolution. This power must be controlled, and the people who wield it must be honest, not like the fuckers we got now. I have known people who made the news and I know how they distort things. It is not how it used to be, now it is all sensationalism. They used to have integrity, them days are over.

In fact we live in a time when you just about can't trust anyone. They all want you to have your bills automatically paid, know why ? So they can fuck you up the dupa. And I am not talking porn websites, I mean the cable company, the phone company, and around here the WATER company especially. They can make a mistake and it can cost you your house and you got no recourse.

Anyway, Fox won the right to lie with impunity in this country. In court. And like in Venezuela, they said Chavez shut down a TV station he didn't like. Bullshit. While the CIA was down there trying to depose him this TV channel did not broadcast this important news and instead broadcast cartoons. Their equivalent of our FCC refused to renew their license when it came up. If someone came and kidnapped our President and a news outlet refused to report it, they were not acting in the public interest and would, by law, lose their license to broadcast here. Look it up.

Also, in the old days, when a TV station signed off, played the national anthem and all that, they had a statement that you could write to the FCC if you believed the station was not operating in the public interest. Now everything is cable and I am not so sure they have any jurisdiction over it. You do not need an FCC license for a cable channel. It is not on the airwaves, they got nothing to say about it.

That's progress.

So now we have the best communication in the world that has ever been, but half of what is communicated is bullshit.

Great.

T^T




Greta75 -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 10:39:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: igor2003

So, when the "president" of a world power blatantly tells lies to the people of his country, is that "fake news", and should he (or she) be fined and/or jailed? Or is that actually even worse than "fake news" and the punishment should be even more strict?

Just curious about your opinion.

I think "blatantly" is still subjective at the moment.

After all, the President gets alot of his information from online news or news that he watched on TV.

So where is the source of his "not so accurate information" from? That outlet is responsible!





WickedsDesire -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 11:11:38 AM)

His own on the record proves him to be a complete lying fuk and he is not even consistent liar. He chooses to cover many of those lies up with even more lying fukery

President of the free world so they say

Unlike your ass wifey5 he is not worth the birch.

generic politicians dont even get me started on that lot. Actually is there such a thing as a good honest politician




Termyn8or -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 11:37:13 AM)

GFY Wickeds. You are an ultrasickening liberal piece of shit. DO NOT COME HERE. You are likely to get shot, and we know you cannot shoot back.

I hope Russia or China invades and takes over your country. I hope they rape your whole family. Know why ?

Because you are another one of those annoying foreigners who think they know what's best for us. Let me clue you in BOY, WE DO NOT WANT YOUR WAY OF LIFE, WE DO NOT SHARE YOUR VALUES AND BELIEFS. This is the US and we do things a bit differently here. Keep insulting us and we will stop defending your country BOY. Then you can learn to speak Russian or Chinese. And those people will kill that family of inbred welfare recipients you support.

And no whining. If you can put down my government I can put down yours. You are a bunch of serfs, and worse off. They take half your money just to keep you alive. And of course that is to be able to keep taking half your money, and you don't see it. Do you see the leeches in your government struggling to pay the rent ? To feed their kids ? To buy a nice car ? Fuck no. And you ignorant assholes support them, those who have never worked a day in their lives.

We elected Trump, you got nothing to say about it. I don't care who your PM is. I don't care who runs China. I am a bit partial to Putin in Russia but he is significant, unlike your puny fucking army. Russia won WW2, not the US. Not you either. None of you had what it took to stand up to the Nazis and without the US AND Russia you might be speaking Russian now.

Piece of shit. How dare you ? Ungrateful piece of garbage. Bring your gun over and let's talk, oh, you are aa baby and cannot have a gun, remember ?

We do things differently here boy. If you don't like it I suggest you stay home. Same with these Australians who think they know what is best for us. Turn in your guns and vote for Hillary. FUCK YOU. Don't you understand that we do not want that ?

We are different. The people who founded this country were sick of your shit, and now we have spoken. You don't like it ? Stay the fuck home.

T^T




WhoreMods -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 12:31:52 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
The situation will correct itself.

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stef -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 12:37:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I hope Russia or China invades and takes over your country. I hope they rape your whole family. Know why ?

Because you're the nutjob garbage person we always thought you were?




Lucylastic -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 12:49:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

GFY Wickeds. You are an ultrasickening liberal piece of shit. DO NOT COME HERE. You are likely to get shot, and we know you cannot shoot back.

I hope Russia or China invades and takes over your country. I hope they rape your whole family. Know why ?

Because you are another one of those annoying foreigners who think they know what's best for us. Let me clue you in BOY, WE DO NOT WANT YOUR WAY OF LIFE, WE DO NOT SHARE YOUR VALUES AND BELIEFS. This is the US and we do things a bit differently here. Keep insulting us and we will stop defending your country BOY. Then you can learn to speak Russian or Chinese. And those people will kill that family of inbred welfare recipients you support.

And no whining. If you can put down my government I can put down yours. You are a bunch of serfs, and worse off. They take half your money just to keep you alive. And of course that is to be able to keep taking half your money, and you don't see it. Do you see the leeches in your government struggling to pay the rent ? To feed their kids ? To buy a nice car ? Fuck no. And you ignorant assholes support them, those who have never worked a day in their lives.

We elected Trump, you got nothing to say about it. I don't care who your PM is. I don't care who runs China. I am a bit partial to Putin in Russia but he is significant, unlike your puny fucking army. Russia won WW2, not the US. Not you either. None of you had what it took to stand up to the Nazis and without the US AND Russia you might be speaking Russian now.

Piece of shit. How dare you ? Ungrateful piece of garbage. Bring your gun over and let's talk, oh, you are aa baby and cannot have a gun, remember ?

We do things differently here boy. If you don't like it I suggest you stay home. Same with these Australians who think they know what is best for us. Turn in your guns and vote for Hillary. FUCK YOU. Don't you understand that we do not want that ?

We are different. The people who founded this country were sick of your shit, and now we have spoken. You don't like it ? Stay the fuck home.

T^T

butthurt snowflake




Musicmystery -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 1:09:43 PM)

~FR~

Fake news should be punished by the loss of your readers/subscribers/listeners/viewers/followers who are smart enough to recognize it and mature enough to want to know the real truth and accurate analysis.

And therein lies the problem.




vincentML -> RE: How should fake News be Punished? (4/4/2017 1:22:41 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

I did a free speech thread ages ago...anyhoos

Is lying like fuk free speech? and where does "alternative fact" come into that equation.

Our free speech in the Bill of Rights prohibits the government from prosecuting what we say unless it is said under oath to a Federal Agent. So, if the government wishes to lie like fuk, yes it can. There is no guarantee against it except the ballot box. GW Bush gotta get them weapons of mass destruction outta Iraq. Was there ever a bigger lie than that? And the stupid bastards re-elected him. I couldn't imagine they could do worse but, but . . sput! then they voted for Trump! Holy shit! But the Constitution doesn't disqualify a presidential candidate for being a howling sociopathic liar.




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