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mnottertail -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/6/2017 10:25:04 AM)
Nixon was not nearly impeached for nutsucker cockgargling by appearances. They had actual evidence of wrongdoing in his own words among others. So far nutsuckers have some pretty weak, factless, unhinged nutsucker slobbering that nobody is really paying attention to, with not one bit of proof against some pretty serious charges with evidence against the nutsuckers they cant answer even in felchgobble.

bounty44 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/6/2017 6:01:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 the only way your interpretation works for me is---someone from those intelligence gathering agencies says to susan rice "hey, an American we inadvertently listened in on is engaged in something illegal" and therefore, that name gets unmasked. otherwise, the circumstances are fishy. and no, reporting on that and wanting more answers concerning it is not "hysteria." I said earlier---the reporters investigating this, from multiple news outlets, are hearing this was done for political reasons. this sentiment is bolstered by what happened to Michael Flynn, and the Obama administration's history. there is a little bit of wait and see going on right now... just heard newt gingrich say essentially the same thing---that unless the agencies themselves were detecting something illegal, the names of the Americans should have remained protected. he further went on to say susan rice, within the context of her job, has no business doing what she did and that if it wasn't illegal, it should be. congressman peter king talked today about how the Obama administration gathered bunches of information that had absolutely nothing to do with trump team interactions with Russian citizens.

mnottertail -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/6/2017 6:16:41 PM)
Newt Gingrich doesnt know his ass from a hole in the ground. Unmasking is rather common, there are protocols and thats that. What harm was done until the leaky mingebox nutsuckers were stupid and talked into microphones? I guess that the Obama administration did that because there were needs of intelligence gathering besides Il Douchovitch, and I am sorry its not all about him, but yes, there were other Intelligence investigations going on before, during, and after.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/6/2017 10:14:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 the only way your interpretation works for me is---someone from those intelligence gathering agencies says to susan rice "hey, an American we inadvertently listened in on is engaged in something illegal" and therefore, that name gets unmasked. otherwise, the circumstances are fishy. and no, reporting on that and wanting more answers concerning it is not "hysteria." I said earlier---the reporters investigating this, from multiple news outlets, are hearing this was done for political reasons. this sentiment is bolstered by what happened to Michael Flynn, and the Obama administration's history. there is a little bit of wait and see going on right now... just heard newt gingrich say essentially the same thing---that unless the agencies themselves were detecting something illegal, the names of the Americans should have remained protected. he further went on to say susan rice, within the context of her job, has no business doing what she did and that if it wasn't illegal, it should be. congressman peter king talked today about how the Obama administration gathered bunches of information that had absolutely nothing to do with trump team interactions with Russian citizens. You most definitely need to stop listening to Newt Gingrich! What a moron. None of what he said is correct. First of all, the names of the Americans are masked, which means they ARE protected. Any individual in any agency, with sufficient security clearance, can request the identities for him/herself only, and can optionally share the identities with anyone else with sufficient security clearance. Second of all, his statement about Susan Rice is complete nonsense. It is most definitely within the context of her job to request the identities of Americans who are caught in a transcript undermining our foreign policy. Really? We're down to listening to Newt Gingrich here? And Peter King said Obama gathered "bunches of information"???? He sounds like a 3rd grader who just watched a half hour of Fox News because his teacher forced him to.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/6/2017 10:20:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 ken starr is not the "government spying on people" you'll have to be lots more specific about Nixon. at the same time, know that being "free" to do something is not the same as doing something illegal and getting away with it---unless impunity is indeed the norm. the issue at hand is not whether susan rice herself leaked anything to the press. the issue is what were here motivations for the unmasking of americans in the trump camp, and just who did do the leaking. MJ - Do you know what is meant by the term "unmasking"? Yes I do. And it is not what Fox News says it is. There is an erroneous assumption that the individual intelligence report is altered in the process. It is not. The "unmasking" is simply requesting the identity of an individual whose name has gone through the "minimization" process. Doing so, reveals the identity to the requester, and no one else.

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/6/2017 10:52:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX ...and Nixon was impeached, for something very similar, though far less severe than what Obama appears to have done in this case First of all, unrelated to Watergate, Nixon routinely ordered the IRS to harass his political enemies. One of those enemies, Otis Chandler, major stockholder of the Los Angeles Times in those days, is someone I met in the 90's, at a Porsche club d'elegance, in Thousand Oaks, CA. He and I had the only two Porsche 928's in the entire place. He had a brand new '94 928 GTS, and mine was an '86 928S. He recalled some of the brutal harassment by the IRS (who threatened to shut down LA Times Operations, and to seize his personal home) Nixon, through his use of special ex-CIA folks (many who were involved in the Bay of Pigs, and are suspected by many researchers to be involved in the Kennedy Assasination) (CREEP) wiretapped (in the literal sense) people's phones and physically broke into the DNC HQ at the Watergate building (combination residential and business use complex). He lied about his people being involved in the break-in. The FBI began to investigate. He then instructed the CIA to impede and frustrate the FBI investigation. When it was discovered that all of his conversations were being recorded, the Senate Special committee asked for the tapes. Nixon claimed executive privilege and would not release them. When the Special Prosecutor (who was not quite as independent as Ken Starr) relentlessly demanded the tapes, Nixon had him fired. OK.... So what is it that you think Obama did?

bounty44 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/7/2017 4:26:13 AM)
given the choice between believing what you say regarding susan rice's job responsibilities or yours, im going with newt gingrich. peter king didn't say "bunches"--I did. and even if he was the one that used the word, it doesn't matter. the surveillance went well beyond just capturing conversations with Russians. and no---for probably the 3rd or 4th time now---its incumbent on the agencies themselves to detect breaches of law/threats to national security and then to make the American's names known. otherwise, and again for the 3rd or 4th time, its not for someone who doesn't have an investigative role, whose job it is to advise on policy, to come in and do so contrary to agency standard practice. add in the revelation that the surveillance apparently goes back ~ a year prior to the election and yeah, im not going to look at this and say its all standard operating procedure. boggles my mind that lefties cannot understand how those things are legitimate concerns, and all the more so given what happened with Michael Flynn.

bounty44 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/7/2017 4:28:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01 quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 ken starr is not the "government spying on people" you'll have to be lots more specific about Nixon. at the same time, know that being "free" to do something is not the same as doing something illegal and getting away with it---unless impunity is indeed the norm. the issue at hand is not whether susan rice herself leaked anything to the press. the issue is what were here motivations for the unmasking of americans in the trump camp, and just who did do the leaking. MJ - Do you know what is meant by the term "unmasking"? Yes I do. And it is not what Fox News says it is. There is an erroneous assumption that the individual intelligence report is altered in the process. It is not. The "unmasking" is simply requesting the identity of an individual whose name has gone through the "minimization" process. Doing so, reveals the identity to the requester, and no one else. how would you even know what fox news is saying? and im pretty sure you are mistaken in your statement---that names are indeed included in some physical report. otherwise, how would nunes have known that trump officials were included? or we're missing talking about some fuzzy grey area.

mnottertail -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/7/2017 4:38:07 AM)
Oh, gawd, just fuckin snicker

bounty44 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/7/2017 4:46:50 AM)
fellllllllllllllllllllllllllllch gobble!

bounty44 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/7/2017 5:28:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 congressman peter king talked today about how the Obama administration gathered bunches of information that had absolutely nothing to do with trump team interactions with Russian citizens. "Intelligence Reports in Unmasking Scandal Resembled Private Investigator’s File, Had Info About ‘Everyday Lives’" quote: New details are emerging regarding the unmasking of Trump and his private associates by former National Security Advisor, Susan Rice and others in the Obama administration. The reports were very detailed and tracked the everyday lives of private citizens. Fox News reports: [oh no comrades!] The intelligence reports at the center of the Susan Rice unmasking controversy were detailed, and almost resembled a private investigator’s file, according to a Republican congressman familiar with the documents. “This is information about their everyday lives,” Rep. Peter King of New York, a member of the House Intelligence committee said. “Sort of like in a divorce case where lawyers are hired, investigators are hired just to find out what the other person is doing from morning until night and then you try to piece it together later on.” On the House Intelligence Committee, only the Republican chairman, Devin Nunes of California, and the ranking Democrat Adam Schiff, also of California, have personally reviewed the intelligence reports. Some members were given broad outlines. Nunes has consistently stated that the files caused him deep concern because the unmasking went beyond the former national security adviser Mike Flynn, and the information was not related to Moscow. Well of course this unmasking was all ‘incidental’. Trump and his private associates accidentally got caught up in routine surveillance coincidentally during one of the biggest elections in modern history. The spreadsheets Rice kept were also by accident. She had no political motives whatsoever. Nothing to see here, move along. After all, Susan Rice is just so trustworthy and she told Andrea Mitchell at MSNBC, ‘I leaked nothing to nobody’. Reports in unmasking controversy were detailed, had info about ‘everyday lives’ /// #RiceGate#FriedRice#Obamahttps://t.co/wzD5DOCIwD — James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) April 6, 2017 http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/intelligence-reports-unmasking-scandal-resembled-private-investigators-file-info-everyday-lives/ https://rightedition.com/2017/04/06/intelligence-reports-unmasking-scandal-resembled-private-investigators-file-info-everyday-lives/

mnottertail -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/7/2017 5:33:30 AM)
Precisely, and one of your most ineffective and impotent felchgobbles yet. Newt Gangrene figgurs that it is unusual does he? Resigning from congress in 1999 thats 18 years ago, nearly a generation, never having been known to be intelligent or serving on committees that required even minimal intelligence, such as the intelligence committee, he knows this shit. Yet every active and retired intel person, people who sit on the committee, both dem and nutsucker say that unmasking is not unusual nor illegal, with the exception of the nutsucker peter king, a rather ignorant fuck (and its not quite certain he said what you claim) hes a pretty hard core waffler. But Newt know. So, your position is that the NSA Advisor is not investigative, nor is it in their purview to be in the know, but they should without intimate knowledge advise the president. Because Gangrene says. Yeah, he doesnt know ethics, and he doesnt know intelligence. You have correctly pointed out that you are a felchgobbler of massive PutinJizz.

bounty44 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/7/2017 5:50:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 and im pretty sure you are mistaken in your statement---that names are indeed included in some physical report. otherwise, how would nunes have known that trump officials were included? or we're missing talking about some fuzzy grey area. quote: Requests for unmasking must be approved by the NSA, and that such information can only been viewed by the requester. That obviously did not happen. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/04/06/as-unmasking-allegations-begin-to-surround-susan-rice-media-tries-to-smother-story-n2308905

bounty44 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/7/2017 5:53:48 AM)
much of this contradicts the notion of relative privacy in being unmasked. "Circa: Intelligence Community Unmasks Members Of Congress And Their Staff As Often As Once A Month" quote: The unmasking of Americans through intelligence intercepts used to be rare. Now, it seems like it’s happening at an average of at least once a month on Capitol Hill. Congressional figures are being incidentally collected and then unmasked. The incidental collection part might not be shocking, as members of Congress communicate with foreign powers and the lines get crossed. The unmasking could be the sticky wicket. As Sara Carter and John Solomon of Circa reported, how Congress notified when intelligence officials catch House and Senate members, along with their staffers, in intercepts. They’re not told about any unmasking unless there is a national security issue. Sen. Chuck Grassley spoke with the news outlet about how it may be time for Congress to demand more transparency on the matter. Grassley was notified that he was caught through incidental collection. Meaning he was speaking to someone under the microscope of the National Security Agency through Section 702 of the FISA law. Sen. Dianne Feinstein was the recipient of a rare admission from the CIA: they were spying on Democratic staffers’ computers at the Senate House Intelligence Committee. As Carter and Solomon reported previously, the Obama White House lowered the threshold in the minimization protocol, the safeguard that redacts and protects the privacy of Americans caught through incidental collection, which could lead to political espionage. Rice’s request to unmask at least one member of the Trump’s transition team shows the lowering of that standard in action. Rice didn’t cite the pressing national security matter that would prompt such an action: quote: The U.S. government’s foreign surveillance sweeps up American lawmakers and their staffers so routinely now that Congress is alerted as often as once a month that its employees involved in intercepted conversations have been unmasked and their identities shared with intelligence or law enforcement agencies, Circa has learned... Often though, the affected lawmakers or congressional aides aren’t told about the unmasking, unless it involves a security or hacking threat. So some affected lawmakers may not know about their appearance in unredacted executive branch intelligence reports, according to intelligence community sources, who spoke only on condition of anonymity... "While unmasking can be important to understand intelligence in very limited situations, something is wrong if Congress and other Americans are routinely being unmasked in surveillance reports that are supposed to be focused on foreign intelligence,” Grassley said. “Separation of powers and accountability for the intelligence community are vital to protect civil liberties and ensure public support for the intelligence gathering authorities needed to protect national security... “Americans need to be able to trust that these national security tools aren’t being abused for political purposes," Grassley said... Thanks to rules Obama got approved by the FISA review court in 2011 and adapted again in 2015 and just before he left office in January, almost anyone in the intelligence community can request unmasked information and get it if they can prove they need it to better understand raw intelligence. That’s a low threshold, and even intelligence professionals who pressed for the loosening of the rules acknowledge that without careful safeguards such unmasking can be abused for political espionage or other non-security related reasons. The reasons for the lowering of the threshold was to preempt lone-wolf terror attacks, cyber espionage, and hacking—anything that presents itself as a nightmare in the digital age. Fox News’s Catherine Herridge and Pamela Brown reported that in 2015, around 25 percent of all 702 reports from the NSA unmasked an American citizen’s identity: quote: The Office for the Director of National Intelligence, which oversees the 17 intelligence agencies, said "...in 2015, NSA disseminated 4,290 FAA Section 702 intelligence reports that included U.S. person information. Of those 4,290 reports, the U.S. person information was masked in 3,168 reports and unmasked in 1,122 reports." The report said "NSA is allowed to unmask the identity for the specific requesting recipient only under certain conditions and where specific additional controls are in place" and those conditions were met for "654 U.S. person identities" in 2015. That means Americans were identified in 26 percent of the cases, or roughly one in four intelligence reports. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/04/06/circa-intelligence-community-unmasks-members-of-congress-and-their-staff-as-ofte-n2309587

mnottertail -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/7/2017 6:05:19 AM)
LOL. Townhall nutsucker slobberblog, gateway pundit nutsucker slobberblog, all these non-cleared felchgobblers are being read into the leaky whitehouse mingebox intel documents and are giving you the straight poop (real insiders these fuckwhistles) when even the fuckin guys on the intel committee all of whom are cleared to be read into this cant see the fucking things. Do you realize how ineffective and impotent and fucking retarded you are to spew this felchgobble, dogshit44? These slobberbloggers know nothing. I expect its because those thousands of FBI agents that have quit in rage over Hillary are no longer their personal leaky mingeboxes. LOL. snicker Feeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllch gobble, dogshit44!!!!!

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/7/2017 7:26:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 given the choice between believing what you say regarding susan rice's job responsibilities or yours, im going with newt gingrich. That is clear. In the right wing echo chamber, Newt Gingrich is wise and trustworthy :) quote: peter king didn't say "bunches"--I did. and even if he was the one that used the word, it doesn't matter. the surveillance went well beyond just capturing conversations with Russians. And you have seen the classified surveillance documents that Eric Swalwell has dared the President to declassify? Or maybe you heard it on on Fox news? quote: and no---for probably the 3rd or 4th time now---its incumbent on the agencies themselves to detect breaches of law/threats to national security and then to make the American's names known. You are actually partially correct here. Certainly intelligence gathered in the context of a FISA warrant that incidentally caught communications of a U.S. citizen could fall into this. quote: otherwise, and again for the 3rd or 4th time, its not for someone who doesn't have an investigative role, whose job it is to advise on policy, to come in and do so contrary to agency standard practice. This is where you continue to be wrong, for the 3rd or 4th time. Several people in the government, (e.g. The National Security Adviser) with sufficient security clearance, can and routinely do ask for the identities of masked individuals in in intelligence reports as part of their normal job. (e.g. Advising the President on National Security) quote: add in the revelation that the surveillance apparently goes back ~ a year prior to the election and yeah, im not going to look at this and say its all standard operating procedure. The National Security threats go back that far. Why would it not be standard operating procedure for the National Security Adviser to look into them? quote: boggles my mind that lefties cannot understand how those things are legitimate concerns, and all the more so given what happened with Michael Flynn. Yes. You have a boggled mind. You should ask lefties that question. What I am saying is this is simply the work of a National Security Adviser investing threats to National Security. (e.g. Mike Flynn talking to the Russian Ambassador about lifting U.S. sanctions is a Trump preseidency becomes a reality)

BoscoX -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/7/2017 7:30:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 congressman peter king talked today about how the Obama administration gathered bunches of information that had absolutely nothing to do with trump team interactions with Russian citizens. "Intelligence Reports in Unmasking Scandal Resembled Private Investigator’s File, Had Info About ‘Everyday Lives’" quote: New details are emerging regarding the unmasking of Trump and his private associates by former National Security Advisor, Susan Rice and others in the Obama administration. The reports were very detailed and tracked the everyday lives of private citizens. Fox News reports: [oh no comrades!] The intelligence reports at the center of the Susan Rice unmasking controversy were detailed, and almost resembled a private investigator’s file, according to a Republican congressman familiar with the documents. “This is information about their everyday lives,” Rep. Peter King of New York, a member of the House Intelligence committee said. “Sort of like in a divorce case where lawyers are hired, investigators are hired just to find out what the other person is doing from morning until night and then you try to piece it together later on.” On the House Intelligence Committee, only the Republican chairman, Devin Nunes of California, and the ranking Democrat Adam Schiff, also of California, have personally reviewed the intelligence reports. Some members were given broad outlines. Nunes has consistently stated that the files caused him deep concern because the unmasking went beyond the former national security adviser Mike Flynn, and the information was not related to Moscow. Well of course this unmasking was all ‘incidental’. Trump and his private associates accidentally got caught up in routine surveillance coincidentally during one of the biggest elections in modern history. The spreadsheets Rice kept were also by accident. She had no political motives whatsoever. Nothing to see here, move along. After all, Susan Rice is just so trustworthy and she told Andrea Mitchell at MSNBC, ‘I leaked nothing to nobody’. Reports in unmasking controversy were detailed, had info about ‘everyday lives’ /// #RiceGate#FriedRice#Obamahttps://t.co/wzD5DOCIwD — James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) April 6, 2017 http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/intelligence-reports-unmasking-scandal-resembled-private-investigators-file-info-everyday-lives/ https://rightedition.com/2017/04/06/intelligence-reports-unmasking-scandal-resembled-private-investigators-file-info-everyday-lives/ Nixon on steroids, meth, with a jet pack, and the entire media and over half the government by his side

MasterJaguar01 -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/7/2017 7:32:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 congressman peter king talked today about how the Obama administration gathered bunches of information that had absolutely nothing to do with trump team interactions with Russian citizens. "Intelligence Reports in Unmasking Scandal Resembled Private Investigator’s File, Had Info About ‘Everyday Lives’" quote: New details are emerging regarding the unmasking of Trump and his private associates by former National Security Advisor, Susan Rice and others in the Obama administration. The reports were very detailed and tracked the everyday lives of private citizens. Fox News reports: [oh no comrades!] The intelligence reports at the center of the Susan Rice unmasking controversy were detailed, and almost resembled a private investigator’s file, according to a Republican congressman familiar with the documents. “This is information about their everyday lives,” Rep. Peter King of New York, a member of the House Intelligence committee said. “Sort of like in a divorce case where lawyers are hired, investigators are hired just to find out what the other person is doing from morning until night and then you try to piece it together later on.” On the House Intelligence Committee, only the Republican chairman, Devin Nunes of California, and the ranking Democrat Adam Schiff, also of California, have personally reviewed the intelligence reports. Some members were given broad outlines. Nunes has consistently stated that the files caused him deep concern because the unmasking went beyond the former national security adviser Mike Flynn, and the information was not related to Moscow. Well of course this unmasking was all ‘incidental’. Trump and his private associates accidentally got caught up in routine surveillance coincidentally during one of the biggest elections in modern history. The spreadsheets Rice kept were also by accident. She had no political motives whatsoever. Nothing to see here, move along. After all, Susan Rice is just so trustworthy and she told Andrea Mitchell at MSNBC, ‘I leaked nothing to nobody’. Reports in unmasking controversy were detailed, had info about ‘everyday lives’ /// #RiceGate#FriedRice#Obamahttps://t.co/wzD5DOCIwD — James Woods (@RealJamesWoods) April 6, 2017 http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/04/intelligence-reports-unmasking-scandal-resembled-private-investigators-file-info-everyday-lives/ https://rightedition.com/2017/04/06/intelligence-reports-unmasking-scandal-resembled-private-investigators-file-info-everyday-lives/ I love the gateway pundit article. It gives one a view into the right wing echo chamber. It quotes the Washington Free beacon, and echoes that Susan Rice ordered spreadhseets, and quotes other right wing "news" sources which reference the spreadsheets. Where did the "spreadsheets" lie come from? Joe diGenova!!! This is hilarious... Joe diGenova makes some ridiculous lie and it just gets echoed, and requoted and reported as truth.

mnottertail -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/7/2017 7:42:20 AM)
Its a well known phenomenon among the nutsuckers, it is called refelching. You know, multiple sources report...........lol, one nutsucker does a slobber blog and they all put lipstick on the pig and bury the fact that it is factless nutsucker slobberblogging in factlessness and slobber. If you want to get down to the souce of 95% of their felchgobbling it is Joey Di.

accublond -> RE: Far Left CNN Unhinged Over New Susan Rice Scandal (4/7/2017 7:46:40 AM)
With Fox-Breitbart-Trump-Russian fake news "scandals" every few days (remember Pizza Gate?), the Left no longer (if they ever did) "comes unhinged" over any right-wing propaganda. After all... for a decade now it's been simply one piece of bogus garbage after another. We don't waste our time and energy on this crap. Instead we are all keeping our eye on the prize: the 2018 off-year Congressional elections when honest, hopeful, educated and intelligent Americans will begin the takeback of their country from the hateful and souless crazies who don't know accommodation, compromise, empathy, governance or truth when it bites them.

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