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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 7:55:26 AM   
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Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama!

The GOP controls everything right now. And yet...impotent.

So sad.


Sad, that you constantly revert to thumb sucking mode whenever confronted with facts

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 7:56:02 AM   
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Yeah yeah yeah old man, eeeeveryone is a faggot

We've heard it all before

You are the only one here claiming so, compound gimp. You are wrong about that too.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 7:58:55 AM   
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Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama! Obama!

The GOP controls everything right now. And yet...impotent.

So sad.


Sad, that you constantly revert to thumb sucking mode whenever confronted with facts

Oh the irony.

Fact: All you can do is cry Obama.
Fact: The GOP seems hamstrung.
Fact: All you can do is toss out insults.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 8:00:14 AM   
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where was the confrontation via fact in this? certainly not from the 'right'.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 8:11:35 AM   
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I hate war and religion - But my answer is yes.

Russia is objecting to a draft resolution on the chemical weapons deaths in northern Syria as the UN Security Council meets in New York.
Russian suggestions that civilians were poisoned by rebel weapons on the ground have been widely rejected.
The UK's foreign secretary, a rebel commander and a weapons expert all said the evidence pointed to an attack by Syrian government forces.
The issue is also overshadowing an aid conference on Syria in Brussels.


All that aside ive no idea how they are going to fix that/those places out. best not create a vacuum eh! (even I know its too late)..The vacuum turns to warped propaganda - the NATO jackals eat children fuked if I now what Russia is up too. The Russian jackals eat the other children....both rape them...thats basic propaganda - when they are infact the most guilty at horrific abuse ISIS or whatever they call themselves and anyone aligned to them


Syria there are about 40-80 factions (fucked if I know) all aligned, yet at cross swords and the two big boys just sit their blowing at the embers, each from their own side - pathetic fuks

Anyhoos why the outrage - thats only another 60 deaths into what 250 000 and a displacement of 10 million...feked if i have the will to look up these figures anymore

but why use the weapons now/again?

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 8:19:27 AM   
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http://www.npr.org/2017/04/04/522627064/on-the-record-president-trump-vs-private-citizen-trump-on-syria

On The Record: President Trump Vs. Private Citizen Trump On Syria

In an official statement, President Trump described the recent chemical attack in Syria as "reprehensible" and went on to argue the "heinous actions by the Bashar al-Assad regime are a consequence of the past administration's weakness and irresolution." In other words, he blamed former President Barack Obama.

Returning to a common theme of his campaign, Trump's statement concluded, "President Obama said in 2012 that he would establish a 'red line' against the use of chemical weapons and then did nothing. The United States stands with our allies across the globe to condemn this intolerable attack."

Trump's criticism of Obama's policy on Syria goes back to 2013. A private citizen at that time, he argued that the U.S. should not get involved in the conflict.

On Tuesday, Trump's statement did not include what — if anything — his administration would do about the recent attack or what his posture will be toward Assad in light of it. Press secretary Sean Spicer said that the president's statement "speaks for itself." He said Trump is meeting with his national security team, is "alarmed" at what is happening and that there will be further discussions with allies about the appropriate action. He added, "I think, at this point, as things develop, I'm not ready to talk about our next step, but we'll get there soon."

Spicer also referenced Obama's red line comment, in which the then-president said, "A red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. That would change my calculus. That would change my equation."

At the time, Trump didn't say anything about it on Twitter. It wasn't until Syria started dominating the headlines in the summer of 2013 that Trump began weighing in. Two days after the U.S. concluded the Assad regime had used chemical weapons, Trump tweeted that the U.S. "should stay the hell out of Syria."


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We should stay the hell out of Syria, the "rebels" are just as bad as the current regime. WHAT WILL WE GET FOR OUR LIVES AND $ BILLIONS?ZERO
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His message: Stay out; Syria is not America's problem. And Trump was relatively consistent on that as the conflict in Syria intensified and the Obama administration contemplated an expanded U.S. role.

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President Obama, do not attack Syria. There is no upside and tremendous downside. Save your "powder" for another (and more important) day!
9:21 AM - 7 Sep 2013
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In late August 2013, the U.S. and international community concluded that the Syrian government had again used chemical weapons. The Obama administration was reportedly considering a military strike against Syria to send a message, and private citizen Trump questioned whether it was worth it.

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What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.
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And long before he was a candidate, Trump was critical of politicians — including Obama — for telegraphing their military strategy.

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If we are going to continue to be stupid and go into Syria (watch Russia), as they say in the movies, SHOOT FIRST AND TALK LATER!
8:19 AM - 29 Aug 2013
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On Aug. 30, 2013, a U.S. intelligence assessment found more than 1,400 Syrians were killed in the chemical weapons attack. Trump's tweets focused on how that made the U.S. look.

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How bad has our "leader" made us look on Syria. Stay out of Syria, we don't have the leadership to win wars or even strategize.
5:28 PM - 30 Aug 2013
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The next day, Aug. 31, Obama announced he would seek congressional approval to carry out strikes in Syria. This was widely seen as a way to back away from the red line he had drawn, putting the responsibility for a decision to escalate involvement in Syria on the shoulders of Congress.

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President Obama's weakness and indecision may have saved us from doing a horrible and very costly (in more ways than money) attack on Syria!
6:48 AM - 1 Sep 2013
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If the U.S. attacks Syria and hits the wrong targets, killing civilians, there will be worldwide hell to pay. Stay away and fix broken U.S.
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It rapidly became clear that Congress wasn't going to be able to agree on authorizing force — and that Congress really didn't want the responsibility.

On Sept. 5, 2013, Trump's concern was that Obama had set the red line in the first place.

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President Obama put himself in a very bad position when he talked about Syria crossing the RED LINE. Amazingly, now he denies he said that!
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The only reason President Obama wants to attack Syria is to save face over his very dumb RED LINE statement. Do NOT attack Syria,fix U.S.A.
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A day later, seemingly joking, Trump offered his own solution: Use Obamacare in Syria so "they would self-destruct."

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If Syria was forced to use Obamacare they would self-destruct without a shot being fired. Obama should sell them that idea!
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Secretary of State John Kerry ultimately worked out a multinational agreement, including Russia, in which Assad would agree to give up his chemical weapons. Trump's assessment was not positive.

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This new Russian strategy guarantees victory for the Syrian government-and makes Obama and U.S. look hopelessly bad. President in trouble!
7:25 PM - 10 Sep 2013
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In the end, he concluded the way Obama had handled Syria made America look weak.

That's a view President Trump continues to hold, as evidenced by the statement he released on Tuesday.

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OK ...now, what he does now is going to be the big test.
He can blame who he wants, its all his now.
he is ...the "ruler.
So far I see shit flinging and denial, but now the result is what matters.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 8:54:15 AM   
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It wasn't Assad in 2013, see here and here, and there is no reason to think it's Assad now.

If recently contaminated and not subjected to any decontamination procedures, then there would be a contamination risk, especially in confined spaces. Individual protective clothing (IPE), respirator with correct filter would be required to be worn by everyone coming into contact with it. ~Source



No gloves? Yeah, right. More here.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 8:59:28 AM   
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It's interesting to note that Dear Leader Thump devoted more of his response to the horrors in Syria to blaming his predecessor than the Syrian Govt and its allies. Obviously the Syrian Govt using home-/Russian-made chemical weapons on its own people is Obama's fault. Only the truly blind could fail to see the glaring connections and join the dots.

So, I hope Dear Leader Thump doesn't decide to order a military response. On this evidence it's likely that the military response will consist of lobbing a few cruise missiles at wherever Obama is currently located. Now that would really fix the person responsible and highlight Dear Leader Thump's remarkable leadership and unique decisiveness.

What a !!!

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 9:20:45 AM   
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term. do not be so naïve. HE HAS THEM.
or were they Russian, used by Assads planes.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 9:22:28 AM   
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Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Latest Chemical Attacks??

Alternate thread title:

Should Trump Start a War with Russia??

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 9:25:25 AM   
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Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Latest Chemical Attacks??

Alternate thread title:

Should Trump Start a War with Russia??

K.


I'm dubious that telling the idiots who spent last year whining that Clinton was bound to do so if elected that they were wrong would be fair compensation for the aggravation el presidente doing so would involve, but it'd still be pretty funny if he did, regardless.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 9:26:44 AM   
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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 9:34:14 AM   
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WHAT WILL WE GET FOR OUR LIVES AND $ BILLIONS?ZERO One of Trumps tweets twatswifey2 i can tell...mental caps, blithering fukwitcy, screeching away like the mad incoherent clueless cunt that it is, give away signs for sure. I bet you he can still not find Syria on a Map

How dare you imply the lying cunt ever lies, or ever contradicted his own lies. I am shocked, wifey2, fragile petal am I - that reminds me any women up for a beasting?

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 9:45:34 AM   
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Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Latest Chemical Attacks??

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Should Trump Start a War with Russia??

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Yeah, that's really the complication, and always has been, Syrian/Russian ties.

(Likewise Iran/Russia)

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 12:22:10 PM   
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FOR THE LAST GODDAMN TIME - ASSAD DOES NOT HAVE ANY CHEMICAL WEAPONS.

He gave them back, all of them.

But go ahead and do more killing. That is what we do. I still want to hear why the US wants Assad gone. What, he pissed off Exxon or something ? Or is he trading in something other than the petrobuck ? Or won't he allow our pipeline instead of Russia's ?

It has to be one of them. If they gave a fuck about human rights the atacks would be in other places, North Korea for example. That proves they do not care about that shit, all they want is money. Quit fooling yourselves.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 12:27:52 PM   
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Youre the one wanting trump.
You got him.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 12:29:56 PM   
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But go ahead and do more killing. That is what we do. I still want to hear why the US wants Assad gone. What, he pissed off Exxon or something ? Or is he trading in something other than the petrobuck ? Or won't he allow our pipeline instead of Russia's ?

Your favourite conspiracy theory, perhaps?
Who do you think's been funnelling money to the Palestinians ever since the failed invasion in 1967? I'll give you a clue: it wasn't Egypt or Jordan.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 12:43:23 PM   
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Putin is supplying Assad with the chemicals

You're making shit up again.

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 1:19:46 PM   
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Someone wake me up when we launch against the Englishire jackals - I, a handsome humanitarian loon, with a 40 foot cock, flanked by a mere 3 cats, are all for unleashing the chemical weapons on the southern bastards - bottle of fairy liquid should be enough to take out the lot of them…whomst amongst you will loan me a quid?

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RE: Should Trump Attack Syrian Military Bases Over Late... - 4/5/2017 2:12:03 PM   
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BEIRUT (AP) — A chemical weapons attack in an opposition-held town in northern Syria killed dozens of people on Tuesday, leaving residents gasping for breath and convulsing in the streets and overcrowded hospitals. The Trump administration blamed the Syrian government for the attack, one of the deadliest in years, and said Syria's patrons, Russia and Iran, bore "great moral responsibility" for the deaths.

The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said at least 58 people died, including 11 children, in the early morning attack in the town of Khan Sheikhoun, which witnesses said was carried out by Sukhoi jets operated by the Russian and Syrian governments.

Videos from the scene showed volunteer medics using fire hoses to wash the chemicals from victims' bodies. Haunting images of lifeless children piled in heaps reflected the magnitude of the attack, which was reminiscent of a 2013 chemical assault that left hundreds dead and was the worst in the country's ruinous six-year civil war.

Tuesday's attack drew swift condemnation from world leaders, including President Donald Trump, who denounced it as a "heinous" act that "cannot be ignored by the civilized world." The U.N. Security Council scheduled an emergency meeting for Wednesday in response to the strike, which came on the eve of a major international donors' conference in Brussels on the future of Syria and the region.

In a statement, Trump also blamed former President Barack Obama for "weakness" in failing to respond aggressively after the 2013 attack.

"These heinous actions by the Bashar al-Assad regime are a consequence of the past administration's weakness and irresolution," Trump said. "President Obama said in 2012 that he would establish a 'red line' against the use of chemical weapons and then did nothing. The United States stands with our allies across the globe to condemn this intolerable attack."

Trump left it to his top diplomat, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, to assign at least some blame to Russia and Iran, Assad's most powerful allies. Tillerson called on both countries to use their influence over Assad to prevent future chemical weapons attacks, and noted Russia's and Iran's roles in helping broker a cease-fire through diplomatic talks in the Kazakh capital, Astana.

"As the self-proclaimed guarantors to the cease-fire negotiated in Astana, Russia and Iran also bear great moral responsibility for these deaths," Tillerson said.

In a statement, the Syrian government "categorically rejected" claims that it was responsible, asserting that it does not possess chemical weapons, hasn't used them in the past and will not use them in the future. It laid the blame squarely on the rebels, accusing them of fabricating the attack and trying to frame the Syrian government.

The Russian Defense Ministry said the Khan Sheikhoun residents were exposed to toxic agents from a rebel arsenal hit by a Syrian air strike.

The ministry spokesman, Maj. Gen. Igor Konashenkov, said in a statement early Wednesday that Russian military assets registered the strike on a weapons depots and ammunition factory on the town's eastern outskirts. Konashenkov said the factory produced chemical weapons that were used in Iraq.

Photos and video emerging from Khan Sheikhoun, located south of the provincial capital of Idlib, showed the limp bodies of children and adults. Some were struggling to breathe; others appeared to be foaming at the mouth.

The activist-run Assi Press published video of paramedics carrying victims, stripped down to their underwear and many appearing unresponsive, from the scene in pickup trucks.

It was not immediately clear if all those killed died from suffocation or were struck by other airstrikes that occurred in the area around the same time.

It was the third claim of a chemical attack in just over a week in Syria. The previous two were reported in Hama province, in an area not far from Khan Sheikhoun.


STORY HERE


I read some of that....I got the main premise.....I'm a bit of a "believer" in human goodness (so far, as to history....never yet proven right)...I think we should never attack.....anyone.

But....there are a few assholes in the world so....I'm fairly confident, my beliefs will never rule the day.

With that said (and I'll be brief)..I will NEVER understand (other than that, we're the biggest, baddest motherfuckers on the planet and....someone needs to sit in the big chair)...why we have ANY authority to tell ANYONE how they should do ANYTHING.

I think it'd be a wonderful world if we just did OUR shit....and everyone else did THEIR shit and....if they want to blow each other up....fine..."fuck you"....but that's not entirely "nice" (which is what I'd prefer), nor is it....knowing how assholes do things.....entirely intelligent (since assholes will always "be").

Well...there ya go....da's wut I think!

I'm gonna run for Prez in 2020 on the "Nice Guy" ticket...our slogan...."Don't fuck with us....we won't fuck with you".

(Sumpin tells me I'll lose).

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