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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/6/2017 8:11:45 PM   
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Aren't you the same twat who is shedding snake tears about the children that President Trump is trying to protect in the other Syria thread

you were the one calling trump emotional, Im just posting tongue in cheek FOR you, as you cant post honestly.


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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/6/2017 8:13:56 PM   
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Any other time this would be hilarious, and no telling how accurate it is, but I can't laugh over this stunt from Agent Orange.

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/6/2017 8:18:38 PM   
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you were the one calling trump emotional, Im just posting tongue in cheek FOR you, as you cant post honestly.



Tongue in cheek... While simultaneously claiming that you really care about the child victims of the the chemical attack this strike was in retaliation to



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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/6/2017 8:23:42 PM   
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yes, tongue in cheek because you have neither,


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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/6/2017 8:34:25 PM   
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Is he going to talk to congress about what happens next?

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/6/2017 9:23:46 PM   
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This is nuts. There has been no investigation, and the accusations against Assad fail to pass the smell test. The fighting in Idlib has been going well for the government. It did not require a chemical attack to force a breakthrough. The rebels, on the other hand, need to gin up outside help against the Syrian government forces and the Russians.

The justification being offered for the U.S. strike appears to be this:

Syrian fixed-wing aircraft dropped chemical weapons on civilians in Idlib earlier this week, two U.S. military officials told NBC News. The U.S. military saw the aircraft on a radar and watched them drop the bombs, the officials said. ~Source

Yeah, no. Radar would not detect that the munitions were chemical. That's a conclusion after-the-fact.

Russia on Wednesday blamed the poisonous gas contamination that activists say killed about 100 people — including 25 children — on a leak from a chemical weapons cache hit by Syrian government air strikes . . . "Syrian aviation made a strike on a large terrorist ammunition depot and a concentration of military hardware in the eastern outskirts of Khan Sheikhoun," he said in a video statement, referring to the rebel-held town in northern Syria where the deaths occurred Tuesday. ~Source

This strikes me as a more plausible explanation. But then the question becomes, did the Syrians know that the target included a chemical weapons cache? If they knew, and bombed it anyway....

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/6/2017 10:06:02 PM   
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It is not clear what ― if any ― legal authority Trump is claiming to strike the Assad regime. The U.S. has claimed authority to bomb ISIS in Syria under the 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force by claiming that ISIS is an offshoot of al Qaeda. But there is no war authorization from Congress that could be interpreted to allow military action against the Syrian government, nor can the U.S. claim it is defending itself. When former President Barack Obama considered a similar retaliatory strike against the Assad regime in 2013, he made it clear he would first seek approval from Congress.

The U.S.’ unilateral strike against the Assad regime will undoubtedly spark tension with Russia. Moscow has supported Syria both politically and militarily for years and launched an air campaign to support Assad in September 2015.


The U.S. did not coordinate with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Tillerson said. According to Davis, the Pentagon spokesman, Russian forces were notified in advance of the strike using an established “deconfliction line.” The U.S. took precautions to “minimize risk to Russian or Syrian personnel located at the airfield,” he said. Davis did not indicate whether the strike resulted in any casualties.

While Trump staunchly opposed intervention in Syria before he became president, and has tried to bar Syrian refugees from entering the U.S. since taking office, the president appeared to reverse course this week.

“Years of previous attempts at changing Assad’s behavior have all failed and failed dramatically,” Trump said Thursday. “As a result, the refugee crisis continues to deepen and the region continues to destabilize, threatening the United States and its allies.” The president did not indicate whether he would adjust his stance on banning Syrian refugees

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/6/2017 10:14:44 PM   
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Joe nailed you and all of your Democrat friends in the media on another forum, when he wrote,

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if trump does nothing the leftest media will call him a puppet of putin, and if he does do something they will call him a neocon war monger. of course, when BO did nothing he was a genius. ever since the election the left has been poking the russian bear - maybe the left will now get what they want.



No, actually I think this was the right thing to do.

The US tried trusting Russia to remove the chemical weapons and it didn't work. Russia is spinning some BS about it being a leak from the rebel factories, which is absurd... Assad's enemies have been gassed twice now, and not taking action at this point would be unforgivable. The operation was conducted in a way that minimized casualties... they weren't going after Assad, they were telling him to play fair.

It doesn't really do anything to convince me that Trump and the GOP didn't collude with Russia during the election... I have no idea what Putin's reaction to this is going to be, and obviously war would be bad... but if Assad really is to blame, which really isn't in doubt, then there's no way Putin is going to publicly defend the use of chemical weapons.

I don't know what all of the Putin-lovers want from the US-- so we should just let him do whatever he wants, including invading other countries, interfering with elections, and defending regimes that use chemical weapons??

It's actually good to see that Trump isn't a total fucking pawn. I have no idea what Putin thinks about his big investment now, and it's not like my opinion of Trump has done a 180, but at least I can believe that Trump isn't totally soulless.

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/6/2017 10:20:17 PM   
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The president did not indicate whether he would adjust his stance on banning Syrian refugees


I really hope this happens.
It would give me a lot of hope.

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/6/2017 10:23:22 PM   
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They are children of god...

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/7/2017 1:44:09 AM   
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They are children of god...


I really have to wonder if he will ever draw the connection between all of the children who were killed in the attack and the children he is sending back to warzones to die in other attacks. If so, that puts him ahead of pretty much every single RWNJ on this board.

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/7/2017 3:14:10 AM   
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59 tomahawks at 1.6 million a copy to take out an airfield.
Raytheon makes them in arizona.
That is what some call "putting amerikans to work.


"United States Department Of Defense Fiscal Year 2015 Budget Request Program Acquisition Cost By Weapon System" (pdf). Office Of The Under Secretary Of Defense (Comptroller)/ Chief Financial Officer. March 2014. p. 65.

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/7/2017 3:16:22 AM   
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No, actually I think this was the right thing to do.

Why is it our business who assad kills?

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/7/2017 3:56:16 AM   
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kirata I said it yesterday, why not just take Assad OUT> Terri.

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/7/2017 3:58:19 AM   
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kirata I said it yesterday, why not just take Assad OUT> Terri.


If you are so hot to "take him out" why don't you take that little girls gun of yours and pop a cap in his punk ass?

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/7/2017 4:00:25 AM   
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The posters who were insisting that el presidente was the better candidate because he was less likely to start a war than Clinton seem to be strangely quiet in this thread, don't they?

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/7/2017 4:03:43 AM   
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thanks , because Iam here trying to keep the normal people fairly safe. xx
and here we are trained to hit the leg first , take them down, and then............
so it would not be up his ass####maybe yours.
and a 9mm hurts. xx

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/7/2017 4:13:18 AM   
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thanks , because Iam here trying to keep the normal people fairly safe. xx
and here we are trained to hit the leg first , take them down, and then............
so it would not be up his ass####maybe yours.
and a 9mm hurts. xx


If you say please I may let you put your tongue up my ass....maybe

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/7/2017 4:15:52 AM   
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The posters who were insisting that el presidente was the better candidate because he was less likely to start a war than Clinton seem to be strangely quiet in this thread, don't they?

59 tomahawks at 1.5 million per will employ a lot of folks at raytheon in arizona. Makin' amerika great one job at a time.

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RE: U.S. Attacks Syria - 4/7/2017 4:40:21 AM   
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This is nuts. There has been no investigation, and the accusations against Assad fail to pass the smell test. The fighting in Idlib has been going well for the government. It did not require a chemical attack to force a breakthrough. The rebels, on the other hand, need to gin up outside help against the Syrian government forces and the Russians.

The justification being offered for the U.S. strike appears to be this:

Syrian fixed-wing aircraft dropped chemical weapons on civilians in Idlib earlier this week, two U.S. military officials told NBC News. The U.S. military saw the aircraft on a radar and watched them drop the bombs, the officials said. ~Source

Yeah, no. Radar would not detect that the munitions were chemical. That's a conclusion after-the-fact.

Russia on Wednesday blamed the poisonous gas contamination that activists say killed about 100 people — including 25 children — on a leak from a chemical weapons cache hit by Syrian government air strikes . . . "Syrian aviation made a strike on a large terrorist ammunition depot and a concentration of military hardware in the eastern outskirts of Khan Sheikhoun," he said in a video statement, referring to the rebel-held town in northern Syria where the deaths occurred Tuesday. ~Source

This strikes me as a more plausible explanation. But then the question becomes, did the Syrians know that the target included a chemical weapons cache? If they knew, and bombed it anyway....

K.



Some musings in The NY Times about the risks to Trump:

During last year’s campaign, Mr. Trump argued strenuously that Mr. Obama’s decision at the time was a symbol of American weakness that should never be repeated. In that respect, the attack on Thursday night was almost preordained.

But there are also considerable risks for Mr. Trump in the next few weeks, once the immediate satisfaction of making Mr. Assad pay a price for acts of barbarism wears off.

The first risk is that his gambit with Mr. Putin fails. The Russian leader may have strongly preferred Mr. Trump to his rival, Hillary Clinton, in the election. But Mr. Putin is not likely to enter into an agreement that threatens his influence over Syria, and thus his main foothold in the Middle East. Syria is home to Russia’s main military base outside its own borders.

A second risk is that Mr. Trump, in taking a shot at Mr. Assad, undercuts his own main goal in the region: defeating the Islamic State.

If Syria collapses, it could become a haven for Islamic terrorists, the exact situation that Mr. Trump is trying to prevent.

It is unclear whether Islamic State fighters, already put on the run months before Mr. Trump took office, are in any condition to exploit an even more splintered Syria. But as David H. Petraeus, the retired Army general who designed the Iraqi surge, often notes, one of the lessons of the past decade is that if a power vacuum is created in the region, some variety of Islamic extremists will exploit it.

The third risk is that Mr. Trump has no real plan to bring peace to Syria. The American-led negotiations to create some kind of political accord — which was John Kerry’s mission for his final 18 months as secretary of state — collapsed.

Mr. Tillerson has shown no desire to start a new one. And Mr. Trump’s proposed budget makes cuts to the very programs that would provide relief to the homeless, beleaguered Syrians who have survived six years of civil war.

Clearly, the conflict that led Mr. Trump to take military action for the first time in his presidency is not the one he was looking for.

During his campaign, he dismissed the notion of humanitarian interventions, and in an interview with The New York Times last year, he could not define the conditions that would even tempt him to use the American military to defend a foreign population from a vicious dictator. It simply did not fit his definition of defending “America first.”

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