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RE: Do you believe Russia influenced the US election (v... - 4/11/2017 10:23:49 AM   
vincentML


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Status: offline 		Any rerun process would require lengthy judicial procedures as happened in the 2000 election. We are not keen on having the Courts involved in our democratic process except to rule on fairness. Historically, we have had disputed elections, only one or two were determined by votes in the Congress. Several were concluded by losing candidate concession. Jack Kennedy for example was elected by the votes of several residents of the Chicago cemeteries and by the graceful concession of his opponent Richard Nixon. The only one that did not work out so well occurred in 1860 when there were four sectional political parties and we had run out of compromises on the slavery issue.

There are only 20 days or so between the vote of the Electoral College and the inauguration of the new president. Usually, it runs smoothly. Needless to say this time it failed due to Trump's lack of experience and and the incompetence of his transition team.

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But there boiler room / fake profiles were ramming stories down American throats via flooding social media, alt news websites –many of these were guilty of lapping it up then regurgitating it back out to the sheople.

That's down to Hillary and her campaign team. They should have been prepared to counter fake stories, and unfortunately she wrote off the white male labor class presenting herself as somehow entitled to be the first female president.

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But if you are telling me the duty falls, in theory, to the house of representatives, and not senate, then those elections should be rerun

As I understand it, each state delegation in the House gets two extra votes to account for the senators.

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Ironically the Russians preferred candidate may turn out to be their biggest adversary, ever. Because he’s fuking nuts, and wildly unpredictable and rarey has a Scooby what he is on about.




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RE: Do you believe Russia influenced the US election (v... - 4/11/2017 10:32:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

what does NM mean Vincent? That reminds me the rules for how "electors" can vote varies from state to state...the vote can be recast or indeed some of them replaced...all very fuked up

The United States Electoral College is the mechanism established by the United States Constitution for the indirect election of the President of the United States and Vice President of the United States. Citizens of the United States vote in each state at a general election to choose a slate of "electors" pledged to vote for a party's candidate

My last post meant to include north korea - and opening up three fronts is not the best idea

NM is "never mind, I didn't have fuck all interesting to write."

The Electoral College was established with the new constitution in 1789 just as the French Revolution was chopping heads and scaring the shit out of aristocrats everywhere. The ruling classes in Britain and in the United States had no trust in the common people. The vote on the Constitution here was very limited. Maybe only 3% of voters who should have been eligible actually were able to vote. The Electoral College is not at all democratic but no politician has the courage to voice that opinion. The EC is a wall between the commons and the ruling classes, plain and simple.

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RE: Do you believe Russia influenced the US election (v... - 4/11/2017 11:31:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		2000 United States presidential election recount in Florida that was a strange one. But a mere one state.

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RE: Do you believe Russia influenced the US election (v... - 4/11/2017 4:46:56 PM   
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2000 United States presidential election recount in Florida that was a strange one. But a mere one state.

But Florida had 27 electoral votes of the approximately 270 votes needed to become the president. Of the 27 electoral votes two represented two state senators (which every state has the same amount) and 25 represented 25 electoral districts. Each electoral district represents about 500,000 voters. Wyoming, for example had only three EC votes: one for their one and only electoral district (prairie dogs are not allowed to vote) and two for their senators. Usually, California has the most EC votes. The problem is that while the electoral districts represent a fixed number of voter population in each election . . hey! that seems fair, their geographical boundaries are subjected to the whims of the party controlling the State. So, the boundary lines often change and tend to isolate ethnic voting blocks. Sometimes that is a good thing (for demagogues) and sometimes it is shear trickery called "gerrymandering." Anyway, in 2000 candidate Al Gore was contesting Dade, Broward, and Palm Beach counties only, which had a history of voting favorably for Democrats. He did not want a recount in the other counties (voting districts) which favored Republicans. That's how the damned thing got to the Supreme Court, which some still claim was improper judicial activity.

I hope that helps, Wicked.

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RE: Do you believe Russia influenced the US election (v... - 4/11/2017 4:51:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		That Russia tried isn't surprising, and I don't think they swayed anything (the DNC took care of that!).

But if the Trump campaign was complicit, that's a serious matter, successful or not.


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