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UllrsIshtar -> RE: You Will Own Nothing (4/10/2017 11:31:29 AM)
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ORIGINAL: ImposeYourWill
If a slave is looking for absolute control does that mean he must turn over control of his money or of everything he owns to a Master? Or, with the same consequences, sign a power of attorney.
It depends on the house, and the Master in question.
In my house, and my circle of friends, yes that would absolutely be expected. My slave signs over her paycheck, as well as all of her assets.
In other houses, according to other people's believes and feelings around slavery, it wouldn't be expected, and the slaves retains their personal assets.
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ORIGINAL: ImposeYourWill
I can buy into the rationale in a fantasy sort of way. If a slave has a safety net, has assets and cash, then he can always walk away from a Master and return to his previous life. If he doesn't, he has no option but to submit to a Master's control. He can't go anywhere. And if the Master tires of him and kicks him to the curb, he is in deep shit. Homeless.
Yup, that would be a risk.
Life is risky that way. You could also live with somebody long enough that the state declared you married under common law, and find out after a few years that they have accumulated thousands of dollars in credit card debt for which you are legally liable.
You could also find out -after you left- that the person you were with for years is a deranged psycho who now breaks into your house to destroy it (flooding it), kills your cats, and vandalizes your vehicles while you're at work, as well as issuing death threats to you and your children (actually happened to a friend of mine).
And that's just two example.
If you chose your partners poorly, bad shit may happen to you.
M/s neither precludes that nor makes it more likely to happen.
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ORIGINAL: ImposeYourWill
But in the real world, would a rational slave take such a risk?
Yup, there are people who take such risks.
I've taken that risk in the past, on three occasions. Twice it worked out well, once not so much.
I have several friends who have taken such risks, with mixed results.
My slave has taken that risk, and it ought to work out well for her, as we put aside $750 a month for her in a savings account she will get if she ever leaves, as well as having maxed out her 4O1K contributions. Her savings have tripled in the year she's lived with us.
Of course, she doesn't know this, all she knows is that 'some' provisions will be made to help her get back on her feet if she leaves here. It's made clear to her that the extend of that help is up to us. Likewise, she is aware of the fact that, considering that all of her assets are in our name, she's still at risk of being kicked out with nothing.
I also have a bunch of vanilla friends and family, who have gone through break-ups with mixed financial results. Some of them have left the relationships better than they entered them, others have left them broke and with a bunch of newly acquired debt.
It all depends on how well they chose their partners.
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ORIGINAL: ImposeYourWill
I won't. As much as I seek a Master who is driven to control a person, to have total power over him, I can't risk everything.
You don't have to.
There are various Masters out there who don't require total financial control over their slaves.
Find one like that.
You have no obligation to enter into a relationship on terms you don't agree to.
Just be open and honest while looking for Masters about what terms you are and aren't willing to agree to.
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ORIGINAL: ImposeYourWill
i figure there are two types of Masters with this requirement. One just wants to find a slave foolish enough to turn over his money and assets. A scam. Others, likely through experience, know that the control is only real if, as in olden times, the slave has no money, no place to go. Ownership can not be real in today's society, but the slave's absolute dependence with no options can be which is as close to ownership as is possible nowadays..
Neither of those are our motivation for requiring our slave to sign over her assets and paycheck.
The reason our slave is required to sign over her paycheck is because she sucks at handling money. When we met, she had 10+ bank accounts scattered around with various amounts of funds in them, some of which she hadn't accessed in years. Likewise her retirement accounts were a jumbled mess, with her having no idea how much she was contributing, or which accounts she really had, or how much was in them.
She specifically was looking for somebody to take control over her finances, as she perceived them as something that caused her stress and anxiety, and wanted somebody she trusted to 'just take care of it' for her.
Ground rules in this house are that power exchange is done in absolute terms, not in partial/conditional ones... meaning that if she's looking to give up the responsibility of dealing with somebody, and asks us to put in the time and effort to take the lead on it, that authority is completely transferred, and there is no 'sideline quarterbacking' in which she gets to watch over our shoulder to make sure we're doing a 'good job' with the authority she begged us to assume.
In her specific case, if she didn't want to relinquish financial control, it could have been discussed, because she actually did manage to live within her means and save money, even though her bookkeeping was a mess. So we would have been open to merely guiding her through doing a better job at bookkeeping herself, while she retained control. That's just not what she was looking for.
If she'd come to us, begging for a collar, with finances in a poor state, and her having tons of debt, as well as habits of overspending/handling money irresponsibly, then financial and asset control would have been a non-negotiable condition of her being accepted for a collar.
Neither me or my husband are interested in scamming a slave out of money, nor are we interested in using money to 'trap' a slave here. However, we do have household standards on how money is handled, and those standards aren't negotiable for any additions to our household.
Thus, if a prospective addition to the household isn't willing/able to live up to the household standard of money managing on their own, then the only other option is to sign control over to us.
If they aren't willing/able to do either of those, they will not be considered a worthwhile addition to this household.
Our goal in owning a slave is accomplish both the betterment of the slave themselves, as well as accomplish the betterment of the household as a whole.
Which financial agreements are made depends on where the balance lies in accomplishing those two things.
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