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NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyrant as... - 4/13/2017 1:13:45 PM   
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We begin this week in the newly insane state of North Carolina (Art Pope, Prop.), where their incredible desire to make a bad thing worse continues to amaze and astound. Just recently, the entire government got together and cobbled together a watery "compromise" on the bathroom bill that was lame enough to buy off the NCAA. Undaunted, the state legislature (Art Pope, Prop.) moved ahead with a bill that would…wait for it…make marriage equality illegal. From NBC News:

The Republican-sponsored bill, titled the Uphold Historical Marriage Act, asserts the U.S. Supreme Court "overstepped its constitutional bounds" when it struck down North Carolina's constitutional ban on same-sex marriage. "The General Assembly of the State of North Carolina declares that the Obergefell v. Hodges decision of the United States Supreme Court of 2015 is null and void in the State of North Carolina, and that the State of North Carolina shall henceforth uphold and enforce Section 6 of Article XIV of the North Carolina Constitution, the opinion and objection of the United States Supreme Court notwithstanding," the bill reads.

What makes this measure remarkable should be obvious. It is outright nullification, the presentation of an argument that was pretty much settled at Appomattox. It also is an out-and-out refusal to recognize the Supremacy Clause. This is the most naked assertion of these philosophies since Joe Johnston surrendered to Bill Sherman at Bennett Place in Durham. This was obvious even to the Republican party of North Carolina (Art Pope, Prop.), according to CBS News:

House Speaker Tim Moore of Kings Mountain said in a statement Wednesday that the bill introduced this week won't be considered because the nation's highest court "has firmly ruled on the issue."

Still, you may wonder, how does a bill so clearly beyond a pale that's existed for 152 years get brought up at all? Well, perhaps it's because people in the newly insane state of North Carolina go out and actually vote for guys like this. From the News and Observer:

A commenter reminded Pittman that the Supreme Court ruling settled the law on gay marriage and that the lawmaker should "get over it." Pittman's response: "And if Hitler had won, should the world just get over it? Lincoln was the same sort (of) tyrant, and personally responsible for the deaths of over 800,000 Americans in a war that was unnecessary and unconstitutional."

Punchline?

Pittman is the pastor of Ridgecrest Presbyterian Church in Stanly County and has served in the House since 2013.

Old times they are not forgotten, I'm fairly sure.
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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/13/2017 3:40:09 PM   
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Old times they are not forgotten, I'm fairly sure.


Certainly not by you.

The North Carolinians just elected a governor who explicitly and overtly ran on the platform of reversing HB2, and making sure that there be no enforcement of such when as acting Attorney General of NC, which such fact as every voter was well aware of.

Do try to keep up.

150 yr. old gloating and chuckling over a long passed national tragedy is actually not becoming of a self-imagined civilized person.


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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/13/2017 4:22:53 PM   
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"And if Hitler had won, should the world just get over it? Lincoln was the same sort (of) tyrant, and personally responsible for the deaths of over 800,000 Americans in a war that was unnecessary and unconstitutional."


If Hitler had won, there would be little effect on the US. He did not want the whole world and he knew he couldn't take it anyway. Try China. Too much terain, too many people. The US is simply too far away for that day and age. I think that the Brits allowed the rebels to win because they knew it would be too hard to hold against the will of the People. They didn't even have radio.

But Hitler tried to make people part of Germany without their consent, Lincoln kept people in the union without their consent. Where in the Constitution does it say that states cannot leave the union ? All reasons and whatever aside, what lawful grounds were there for not letting the south secede ? None as far as I found. It has been many years but I have read the Constitution and never ran across anything that even alluded to that in the slightest.

There are many stupid politicians, democrats are no better they just listen to better advisers. They also know what NOT to do. And I have have noticed a concentration of stupidity in North Carolina. They tried to pass a law making it illegal to report the rise of sea level. Yeah sure, go ahead and build that house on oceanfront property, And when you need galoshes to go get your mail too bad.

The reason people vote for these morons, well I can't call them that but they certainly aren't smart, is because whoever runs against them is repugnant to the People. They don't want the government taking their guns and money. They do not want to see what little business base they have left regulated out of the state. They don't want a state where if you smack someone upside the head you get a year, but if they are a homosexual you get ten years. And they want boys to go to the boysroom. They see democrats as enemies, and any republican that comes along is likely to win. Sounds kinda like how Trump got elected eh ?

But really, tell me a lawful reason the south was not allowed out of the union.

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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/13/2017 4:34:46 PM   
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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/13/2017 7:22:55 PM   
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I think that the Brits allowed the rebels to win because they knew it would be too hard to hold against the will of the People. They didn't even have radio.


You clearly used your history book for shit paper. The french fought the english in north amerika. The result of which amerika gained independence from england.

But Hitler tried to make people part of Germany without their consent, Lincoln kept people in the union without their consent. Where in the Constitution does it say that states cannot leave the union ?

Article 6 clause 2

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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/13/2017 7:59:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Old news. The bill never even made it to a vote as the state Attorney General (R) said it would be unconstitutional.


In the last 3 years or so, I think every infant/toddler brat in NC learned English by way of "Ma Ma," "Da Da," "HB Too!"

The subject was resolutely unavoidable and all pervasive.


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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/13/2017 8:01:51 PM   
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I think that the Brits allowed the rebels to win because they knew it would be too hard to hold against the will of the People. They didn't even have radio.


You clearly used your history book for shit paper. The french fought the english in north amerika. The result of which amerika gained independence from england.

But Hitler tried to make people part of Germany without their consent, Lincoln kept people in the union without their consent. Where in the Constitution does it say that states cannot leave the union ?

Article 6 clause 2


I would also say that the war of 1812 was a British do over which would indicate they had some desire to keep the colony.

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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/13/2017 8:05:02 PM   
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I think that the Brits allowed the rebels to win because they knew it would be too hard to hold against the will of the People. They didn't even have radio.


You clearly used your history book for shit paper. The french fought the english in north amerika. The result of which amerika gained independence from england.

But Hitler tried to make people part of Germany without their consent, Lincoln kept people in the union without their consent. Where in the Constitution does it say that states cannot leave the union ?

Article 6 clause 2


I would also say that the war of 1812 was a British do over which would indicate they had some desire to keep the colony.


You are another one who used his history book for shit paper. Amerika declared war on england not the other way round.

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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/14/2017 4:41:13 AM   
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I think that the Brits allowed the rebels to win because they knew it would be too hard to hold against the will of the People. They didn't even have radio.


You clearly used your history book for shit paper. The french fought the english in north amerika. The result of which amerika gained independence from england.

But Hitler tried to make people part of Germany without their consent, Lincoln kept people in the union without their consent. Where in the Constitution does it say that states cannot leave the union ?

Article 6 clause 2



troll, youre the last person who should be criticizing other people's knowledge of history.

the supremacy clause you reference speaks to conflicts in law between the federal government and the states' governments.

if it addresses secession, you are the only one so far that thinks so.

an internet search for that clause, using both "article 6 clause 2" and "the supremacy clause" coupled with either the civil war, Abraham Lincoln, or secession gives no hits that address your answer as a justifiable one to termy's question.

youre going to have to do better---and the only thing that would suffice is a scholarly or otherwise published piece arguing the case.





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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/14/2017 5:58:25 AM   
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A commenter reminded Pittman that the Supreme Court ruling settled the law on gay marriage and that the lawmaker should "get over it." Pittman's response: "And if Hitler had won, should the world just get over it? Lincoln was the same sort (of) tyrant, and personally responsible for the deaths of over 800,000 Americans in a war that was unnecessary and unconstitutional."

Oh, dear God.

Just when you think you've heard it all . . .

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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/14/2017 6:00:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Old news. The bill never even made it to a vote as the state Attorney General (R) said it would be unconstitutional.

The Lincoln/Hitler comparison seems to be recent, though.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article144233494.html

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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/14/2017 6:09:15 AM   
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A commenter reminded Pittman that the Supreme Court ruling settled the law on gay marriage and that the lawmaker should "get over it." Pittman's response: "And if Hitler had won, should the world just get over it? Lincoln was the same sort (of) tyrant, and personally responsible for the deaths of over 800,000 Americans in a war that was unnecessary and unconstitutional."

Oh, dear God.

Just when you think you've heard it all . . .


Oh, dear God. Leftists can be such drama queens

Do you know how many state house members there are? Probably any crazy ass quote could be found from members of either side, proving nothing about nothing except that humans are bizarre, unpredictable creatures who aren't always logical


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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/14/2017 6:11:36 AM   
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the supremacy clause you reference speaks to conflicts in law between the federal government and the states' governments.

if it addresses secession, you are the only one so far that thinks so.

an internet search for that clause, using both "article 6 clause 2" and "the supremacy clause" coupled with either the civil war, Abraham Lincoln, or secession gives no hits that address your answer as a justifiable one to termy's question.





Agreed. Lincoln had ZERO constitutional authority to force states to stay in the Union. (But no, that does not make him Hitler)


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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/14/2017 6:19:35 AM   
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I think that the Brits allowed the rebels to win because they knew it would be too hard to hold against the will of the People. They didn't even have radio.


You clearly used your history book for shit paper. The french fought the english in north amerika. The result of which amerika gained independence from england.

But Hitler tried to make people part of Germany without their consent, Lincoln kept people in the union without their consent. Where in the Constitution does it say that states cannot leave the union ?

Article 6 clause 2



troll, youre the last person who should be criticizing other people's knowledge of history.

the supremacy clause you reference speaks to conflicts in law between the federal government and the states' governments.

if it addresses secession, you are the only one so far that thinks so.

an internet search for that clause, using both "article 6 clause 2" and "the supremacy clause" coupled with either the civil war, Abraham Lincoln, or secession gives no hits that address your answer as a justifiable one to termy's question.

youre going to have to do better---and the only thing that would suffice is a scholarly or otherwise published piece arguing the case.



You might consider consulting the opinions rendered by joe story. He cites both article 6 clause 2 and article 1 clause 10.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.


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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/14/2017 7:19:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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A commenter reminded Pittman that the Supreme Court ruling settled the law on gay marriage and that the lawmaker should "get over it." Pittman's response: "And if Hitler had won, should the world just get over it? Lincoln was the same sort (of) tyrant, and personally responsible for the deaths of over 800,000 Americans in a war that was unnecessary and unconstitutional."

Oh, dear God.

Just when you think you've heard it all . . .


Oh, dear God. Leftists can be such drama queens

Do you know how many state house members there are? Probably any crazy ass quote could be found from members of either side, proving nothing about nothing except that humans are bizarre, unpredictable creatures who aren't always logical


Your behavior reminds me of this nearly every day.

But it's a "rightist" being a "drama queen" in this instance.

I know you blindly defend all things "rightist," usually (and here too) as some wacky "rationale" for how it's really the fault of "leftists," but this fine is clearly over the top, in your words, "bizarre" and "not always logical."

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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/14/2017 7:23:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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A commenter reminded Pittman that the Supreme Court ruling settled the law on gay marriage and that the lawmaker should "get over it." Pittman's response: "And if Hitler had won, should the world just get over it? Lincoln was the same sort (of) tyrant, and personally responsible for the deaths of over 800,000 Americans in a war that was unnecessary and unconstitutional."

Oh, dear God.

Just when you think you've heard it all . . .


Oh, dear God. Leftists can be such drama queens

Do you know how many state house members there are? Probably any crazy ass quote could be found from members of either side, proving nothing about nothing except that humans are bizarre, unpredictable creatures who aren't always logical


Your behavior reminds me of this nearly every day.

But it's a "rightist" being a "drama queen" in this instance.

I know you blindly defend all things "rightist," usually (and here too) as some wacky "rationale" for how it's really the fault of "leftists," but this fine is clearly over the top, in your words, "bizarre" and "not always logical."


I am not wading into the weeds with you, except to say that the drama queen in this instance is you

Constantly searching for something to be hysterically offended at

Now go enjoy rolling around in your high drama

Swim in it for all I care

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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/14/2017 7:30:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's interesting that you see news noted for its interest or controversy as automatically something a poster is "hysterically offended at," not even recognizing the possibility of sheer interest, amusement, curiosity, or wonder at the hysterically offended in the article, a pastor (!) comparing gay rights to Lincoln negatively to Hitler. It's bizarre at best.

And here you enter, in high drama, protesting and ranting and tossing around accusations.

Look, save your breath. You don't need to inform either me or the board (since I know you're big on what others think) that you disagree and dislike me and my positions automatically and intensely. Your obsession with my posts made that clear years ago. And it's no secret I find you an ignorant, blindly partisan, obsessive asshole. In fact, you're proud of it. So there's nothing new anyone learns from these frankly boring continual exchanges.

If you have something over than deny, deflect, attack, and straw men, post it. If it's just more of the same, we all already get it.

If you simply stop "wading into the weeds" with me, I'd be delighted. Please do so.

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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/14/2017 8:47:12 AM   
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Article 6 clause 2


Says no such thing.

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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/14/2017 9:00:21 AM   
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Article 6 clause 2

Says no such thing.


The supremacy clause of article 6 states that the fed law superceeds state law.
Article 1 clause 10 states that the states may not make treaties or form alliances.
Get a history book written for someone beyond the fifth grade.
Read the decission by justice story.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: NC GOP House Member: Lincoln the same sort of Tyran... - 4/14/2017 9:01:16 AM   
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You might consider consulting the opinions rendered by joe story.


Some guy's opinion means jack shit.

And article 1 is in sections. How about a link to this elusive clause 10.

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