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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 1:41:16 AM   
Milesnmiles


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You and Trump have no clue how spying works, which is how he got into this whole mess in the first place.

The British were spying on the Russians and tapping their phones not Trump's and Trump being too stupid to realize that it was happening called the Russians that were being tapped and got caught doing so.

Now Trump is trying to absolve himself of the whole matter by saying "Obama had the British tap my phones", trying to avert attention from the real issue which is why Trump was calling the Russians in the first place.


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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 1:53:34 AM   
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fact is however you have no idea who controls who/whom, just because they do not directly report to obama does not mean obama has no control over them, neither does it mean the people who have control over obama does not have control ofver them


as you can see your shit has nothing to do with what I said.

Oh and btw you got your ass handed to you in jews are not a race, so your bail timing was well planned! LOL







In April 2012 Wired's James Bamford — author of the book "The Shadow Factory: The NSA from 9/11 to the Eavesdropping on America" — reported that two companies with extensive links to Israel's intelligence service provided hardware and software to wiretap the U.S. telecommunications network for the National Security Agency (NSA).

By doing so, this would imply, companies like Facebook and Google don't have to explicitly provide the NSA with access to their servers because major Internet Service Providers (ISPs) such as AT&T and Verizon already allows the U.S. signals intelligence agency to eavesdrop on all of their data anyway.

From Bamford (emphasis ours):

"According to a former Verizon employee briefed on the program, Verint, owned by Comverse Technology, taps the communication lines at Verizon...

At AT&T the wiretapping rooms are powered by software and hardware from Narus, now owned by Boeing, a discovery made by AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein in 2004."

Klein, an engineer, discovered the "secret room" at AT&T central office in San Francisco, through which the NSA actively "*vacuumed up Internet and phone-call data from ordinary Americans with the cooperation of AT&T" through the wiretapping rooms, emphasizing that "much of the data sent through AT&T to the NSA was purely domestic."

NSA whistleblower Thomas Drake corroborated Klein's assertions, testifying that while the NSA is using Israeli-made NARUS hardware to "seize and save all personal electronic communications."

Both Verint and Narus were founded in Israel in the 1990s. Both provide monitoring and intercept capabilities to service providers and government organizations, promoting claims that their equipment can access and retain large amounts of information on a vast number of targets.

From Robert Poe of Wired:

Narus' product, the Semantic Traffic Analyzer, is a software application that runs on standard IBM or Dell servers using the Linux operating system. It's renowned within certain circles for its ability to inspect traffic in real time on high-bandwidth pipes, identifying packets of interest as they race by at up to 10 Gbps.

"*Anything that comes through (an internet protocol network), we can record," Steve Bannerman, marketing vice president of Narus, a Mountain View, California company, said. "We can reconstruct all of their e-mails along with attachments, see what web pages they clicked on, we can reconstruct their (voice over internet protocol) calls."

With a telecom wiretap the NSA only needs companies like Microsoft, Google, and Apple to passively participate while the agency to intercepts, stores, and analyzes their communication data. The indirect nature of the agreement would provide tech giants with plausible deniability.

And having a foreign contractor bug the telecom grid would mean that the NSA gained access to most of the domestic traffic flowing through the U.S. without technically doing it themselves.

This would provide the NSA, whose official mission is to spy on foreign communications, with plausible deniability regarding domestic snooping.

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 1:56:23 AM   
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Okay idiot...try and think for a minute. I know it's really really hard. At this point in history, every phone call on the planet is intercepted and recorded by multiple governments. Everyone is monitored. The distinction is who has their calls leaked. And what do we have here, leaked Trump organization calls. Please try and understand this isn't your grandfathers...opps...fathers...opps your old spy organization. You make a call, it's recorded. They don't care about old idiots like you so they ignore your calls. Calls that have a national security issue they review. Calls that have a political issue that doesn't comport with their politics they leak.

Political issue?

Might I suggest that if you're going into politics, don't be so stupid as to call the Russians and discuss things of a political nature, you know something like how the Russians could influence the election in your favor. Then there is nothing to be leaked.

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 5:49:08 AM   
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This president was also right about the British helping Obama spy on his campaign

Remember when the leftist media was hysterical and insane because the president refused to apologize for calling them out on it?

The New York Slimes - Trump Offers No Apology for Claim on British Spying

Clinton News Network: White House: No apology to British government over spying claims

Even The Guardian: Trump and Spicer's remarks about British 'wiretapping' are absurd




OMG....

Come off it already...No one wire tapped Trump! The claim that British wiretapped him is as idiotic as the claim that Obama wiretapped him.

The British caught Trump and his lackeys in conversation they were monitoring. The FBI caught trump and his lackeys in conversations related to the investigation of Carter Page (of whom they had a FISA Warrant). (Not to mention the CIA who was notified by GCHQ)

Neither the FBI, nor GCHQ are controlled by Obama. Just stop this silliness.

Now that the facts are out, both claims by Trump have been proven false.

You have been definitively and conclusively been proven wrong.

Let it go already.



Okay idiot...try and think for a minute. I know it's really really hard. At this point in history, every phone call on the planet is intercepted and recorded by multiple governments. Everyone is monitored. The distinction is who has their calls leaked. And what do we have here, leaked Trump organization calls. Please try and understand this isn't your grandfathers...opps...fathers...opps your old spy organization. You make a call, it's recorded. They don't care about old idiots like you so they ignore your calls. Calls that have a national security issue they review. Calls that have a political issue that doesn't comport with their politics they leak.


There was no spying, though highly placed Obama administration officials admit to the spying, the British press admits there was spying, the details of conversations are known and civilians whose conversations were recorded were unmasked and details were disseminated around the world and then leaked to leftist mega media corporations

But there was no spying

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 5:50:31 AM   
MasterJaguar01


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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

This president was also right about the British helping Obama spy on his campaign

Remember when the leftist media was hysterical and insane because the president refused to apologize for calling them out on it?

The New York Slimes - Trump Offers No Apology for Claim on British Spying

Clinton News Network: White House: No apology to British government over spying claims

Even The Guardian: Trump and Spicer's remarks about British 'wiretapping' are absurd




OMG....

Come off it already...No one wire tapped Trump! The claim that British wiretapped him is as idiotic as the claim that Obama wiretapped him.

The British caught Trump and his lackeys in conversation they were monitoring. The FBI caught trump and his lackeys in conversations related to the investigation of Carter Page (of whom they had a FISA Warrant). (Not to mention the CIA who was notified by GCHQ)

Neither the FBI, nor GCHQ are controlled by Obama. Just stop this silliness.

Now that the facts are out, both claims by Trump have been proven false.

You have been definitively and conclusively been proven wrong.

Let it go already.



Okay idiot...try and think for a minute. I know it's really really hard. At this point in history, every phone call on the planet is intercepted and recorded by multiple governments. Everyone is monitored. The distinction is who has their calls leaked. And what do we have here, leaked Trump organization calls. Please try and understand this isn't your grandfathers...opps...fathers...opps your old spy organization. You make a call, it's recorded. They don't care about old idiots like you so they ignore your calls. Calls that have a national security issue they review. Calls that have a political issue that doesn't comport with their politics they leak.



LOL... That's your debating tactic? "Okay idiot..."?

You are actually partially correct here.
But, No. Not every call is intercepted and recorded by multiple governments. But some are.

Keep in mind, the assertion was that Obama illegally wiretapped Trump. That is demonstrably false.

As for who leaked it? No one on this thread knows. Was it done for political purposes? Again, no one on this thread knows.

The bottom line is this: When the POTUS and his aides are caught in surveillance which shows criminal activity, news of it will leak. Period.

If you are saying the distinction is..."Who has their call leaked". You are correct there. The answer is: POTUS and his aides.


That being said. The assertion of this thread is demonstrably false and absurd. (And so are Trump's assertions. And BTW, Trump owes the UK and GCHQ a YUUUUGE apology for accusing them of wire tapping him) .

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 5:53:59 AM   
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Keep in mind, the assertion was that Obama illegally wiretapped Trump. That is demonstrably false.



Those are the words of a blind partisan

Demonstrate how you know there was no spying, despite all of the massive evidence to the contrary

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 5:55:09 AM   
MasterJaguar01


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quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

This president was also right about the British helping Obama spy on his campaign

Remember when the leftist media was hysterical and insane because the president refused to apologize for calling them out on it?

The New York Slimes - Trump Offers No Apology for Claim on British Spying

Clinton News Network: White House: No apology to British government over spying claims

Even The Guardian: Trump and Spicer's remarks about British 'wiretapping' are absurd




OMG....

Come off it already...No one wire tapped Trump! The claim that British wiretapped him is as idiotic as the claim that Obama wiretapped him.

The British caught Trump and his lackeys in conversation they were monitoring. The FBI caught trump and his lackeys in conversations related to the investigation of Carter Page (of whom they had a FISA Warrant). (Not to mention the CIA who was notified by GCHQ)

Neither the FBI, nor GCHQ are controlled by Obama. Just stop this silliness.

Now that the facts are out, both claims by Trump have been proven false.

You have been definitively and conclusively been proven wrong.

Let it go already.



Okay idiot...try and think for a minute. I know it's really really hard. At this point in history, every phone call on the planet is intercepted and recorded by multiple governments. Everyone is monitored. The distinction is who has their calls leaked. And what do we have here, leaked Trump organization calls. Please try and understand this isn't your grandfathers...opps...fathers...opps your old spy organization. You make a call, it's recorded. They don't care about old idiots like you so they ignore your calls. Calls that have a national security issue they review. Calls that have a political issue that doesn't comport with their politics they leak.


There was no spying, though highly placed Obama administration officials admit to the spying, the British press admits there was spying, the details of conversations are known and civilians whose conversations were recorded were unmasked and details were disseminated around the world and then leaked to leftist mega media corporations

But there was no spying


There was tons of spying! That's what intelligence agencies do! Especially when they suspect criminal activity and/or threats to national security.

The Russians and Carter Page (a Russian agent) were targeted.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 6:21:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

This president was also right about the British helping Obama spy on his campaign

Remember when the leftist media was hysterical and insane because the president refused to apologize for calling them out on it?

The New York Slimes - Trump Offers No Apology for Claim on British Spying

Clinton News Network: White House: No apology to British government over spying claims

Even The Guardian: Trump and Spicer's remarks about British 'wiretapping' are absurd




OMG....

Come off it already...No one wire tapped Trump! The claim that British wiretapped him is as idiotic as the claim that Obama wiretapped him.

The British caught Trump and his lackeys in conversation they were monitoring. The FBI caught trump and his lackeys in conversations related to the investigation of Carter Page (of whom they had a FISA Warrant). (Not to mention the CIA who was notified by GCHQ)

Neither the FBI, nor GCHQ are controlled by Obama. Just stop this silliness.

Now that the facts are out, both claims by Trump have been proven false.

You have been definitively and conclusively been proven wrong.

Let it go already.



Okay idiot...try and think for a minute. I know it's really really hard. At this point in history, every phone call on the planet is intercepted and recorded by multiple governments. Everyone is monitored. The distinction is who has their calls leaked. And what do we have here, leaked Trump organization calls. Please try and understand this isn't your grandfathers...opps...fathers...opps your old spy organization. You make a call, it's recorded. They don't care about old idiots like you so they ignore your calls. Calls that have a national security issue they review. Calls that have a political issue that doesn't comport with their politics they leak.


There was no spying, though highly placed Obama administration officials admit to the spying, the British press admits there was spying, the details of conversations are known and civilians whose conversations were recorded were unmasked and details were disseminated around the world and then leaked to leftist mega media corporations

But there was no spying


There was tons of spying! That's what intelligence agencies do! Especially when they suspect criminal activity and/or threats to national security.

The Russians and Carter Page (a Russian agent) were targeted.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?


You are acting the part of a moron. I didn't post that the Russians weren't targeted, neither did I post that Carter Page wasn't targeted.

While we are on the subject of "THE RUSSIANS!!!" though, where are the indictments. That was last summer.

Oh, so no illegal activity had occurred?

Yes, there was tons of spying, and leaking - for political purposes

Civilians were routinely unmasked, for political purposes. Flynn, among others (whose life was destroyed)

And a massive scandal that wasn't a scandal became the false leftist media narrative of the decade as a result of a coordinated effort

"TRUMP!!! RUSSIA!!!"

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 6:46:28 AM   
MasterJaguar01


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01

Keep in mind, the assertion was that Obama illegally wiretapped Trump. That is demonstrably false.



Those are the words of a blind partisan

Demonstrate how you know there was no spying, despite all of the massive evidence to the contrary


For the millionth time. There was tons of spying. CLEARLY

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 6:55:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

This president was also right about the British helping Obama spy on his campaign

Remember when the leftist media was hysterical and insane because the president refused to apologize for calling them out on it?

The New York Slimes - Trump Offers No Apology for Claim on British Spying

Clinton News Network: White House: No apology to British government over spying claims

Even The Guardian: Trump and Spicer's remarks about British 'wiretapping' are absurd




OMG....

Come off it already...No one wire tapped Trump! The claim that British wiretapped him is as idiotic as the claim that Obama wiretapped him.

The British caught Trump and his lackeys in conversation they were monitoring. The FBI caught trump and his lackeys in conversations related to the investigation of Carter Page (of whom they had a FISA Warrant). (Not to mention the CIA who was notified by GCHQ)

Neither the FBI, nor GCHQ are controlled by Obama. Just stop this silliness.

Now that the facts are out, both claims by Trump have been proven false.

You have been definitively and conclusively been proven wrong.

Let it go already.



Okay idiot...try and think for a minute. I know it's really really hard. At this point in history, every phone call on the planet is intercepted and recorded by multiple governments. Everyone is monitored. The distinction is who has their calls leaked. And what do we have here, leaked Trump organization calls. Please try and understand this isn't your grandfathers...opps...fathers...opps your old spy organization. You make a call, it's recorded. They don't care about old idiots like you so they ignore your calls. Calls that have a national security issue they review. Calls that have a political issue that doesn't comport with their politics they leak.



LOL... That's your debating tactic? "Okay idiot..."?

You are actually partially correct here.
But, No. Not every call is intercepted and recorded by multiple governments. But some are.

Keep in mind, the assertion was that Obama illegally wiretapped Trump. That is demonstrably false.

As for who leaked it? No one on this thread knows. Was it done for political purposes? Again, no one on this thread knows.

The bottom line is this: When the POTUS and his aides are caught in surveillance which shows criminal activity, news of it will leak. Period.

If you are saying the distinction is..."Who has their call leaked". You are correct there. The answer is: POTUS and his aides.


That being said. The assertion of this thread is demonstrably false and absurd. (And so are Trump's assertions. And BTW, Trump owes the UK and GCHQ a YUUUUGE apology for accusing them of wire tapping him) .

I picked a leftist rag for you as a source.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/04/telephone-calls-recorded-fbi-boston

quote:

Let's repeat that last part: "no digital communication is secure", by which he means not that any communication is susceptible to government interception as it happens (although that is true), but far beyond that: all digital communications - meaning telephone calls, emails, online chats and the like - are automatically recorded and stored and accessible to the government after the fact. To describe that is to define what a ubiquitous, limitless Surveillance State is

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 6:56:28 AM   
MasterJaguar01


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

This president was also right about the British helping Obama spy on his campaign

Remember when the leftist media was hysterical and insane because the president refused to apologize for calling them out on it?

The New York Slimes - Trump Offers No Apology for Claim on British Spying

Clinton News Network: White House: No apology to British government over spying claims

Even The Guardian: Trump and Spicer's remarks about British 'wiretapping' are absurd




OMG....

Come off it already...No one wire tapped Trump! The claim that British wiretapped him is as idiotic as the claim that Obama wiretapped him.

The British caught Trump and his lackeys in conversation they were monitoring. The FBI caught trump and his lackeys in conversations related to the investigation of Carter Page (of whom they had a FISA Warrant). (Not to mention the CIA who was notified by GCHQ)

Neither the FBI, nor GCHQ are controlled by Obama. Just stop this silliness.

Now that the facts are out, both claims by Trump have been proven false.

You have been definitively and conclusively been proven wrong.

Let it go already.



Okay idiot...try and think for a minute. I know it's really really hard. At this point in history, every phone call on the planet is intercepted and recorded by multiple governments. Everyone is monitored. The distinction is who has their calls leaked. And what do we have here, leaked Trump organization calls. Please try and understand this isn't your grandfathers...opps...fathers...opps your old spy organization. You make a call, it's recorded. They don't care about old idiots like you so they ignore your calls. Calls that have a national security issue they review. Calls that have a political issue that doesn't comport with their politics they leak.


There was no spying, though highly placed Obama administration officials admit to the spying, the British press admits there was spying, the details of conversations are known and civilians whose conversations were recorded were unmasked and details were disseminated around the world and then leaked to leftist mega media corporations

But there was no spying


There was tons of spying! That's what intelligence agencies do! Especially when they suspect criminal activity and/or threats to national security.

The Russians and Carter Page (a Russian agent) were targeted.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?


You are acting the part of a moron. I didn't post that the Russians weren't targeted, neither did I post that Carter Page wasn't targeted.

While we are on the subject of "THE RUSSIANS!!!" though, where are the indictments. That was last summer.

Oh, so no illegal activity had occurred?

Yes, there was tons of spying, and leaking - for political purposes

Civilians were routinely unmasked, for political purposes. Flynn, among others (whose life was destroyed)

And a massive scandal that wasn't a scandal became the false leftist media narrative of the decade as a result of a coordinated effort

"TRUMP!!! RUSSIA!!!"



ok... I get it, you are butt hurt, because this administration got caught with its pants down. If you want to say that intelligence agencies spied for political purposes, you are entitled to that opinion. You have shown ZERO proof.

Flynn's life was destroyed, because he was overheard DIRECTLY violating the Logan Act, negotiating with Sergey Lavrov (who was targeted by intelligence agencies) on the removal of U.S. sanctions on Russia.

None of the spying was illegal, nor even inappropriate. Oh, and BTW... If Obama had ANYTHING to do with it... GOOD FOR HIM. I appreciate a President investigating criminal activity which rises to the level of a threat to national security.

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 7:06:28 AM   
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ok... I get it, you are butt hurt, because this administration got caught with its pants down. If you want to say that intelligence agencies spied for political purposes, you are entitled to that opinion. You have shown ZERO proof.

Flynn's life was destroyed, because he was overheard DIRECTLY violating the Logan Act, negotiating with Sergey Lavrov (who was targeted by intelligence agencies) on the removal of U.S. sanctions on Russia.

None of the spying was illegal, nor even inappropriate. Oh, and BTW... If Obama had ANYTHING to do with it... GOOD FOR HIM. I appreciate a President investigating criminal activity which rises to the level of a threat to national security.


Imagine if George Bush had been caught spying on the Obama campaign for a year prior to the election. Damaging information were leaked to Breitbart, etc

You and the media, Black Lies Madder, Rachel Madcow... Wouldn't be buying the lines you are trying to sell right now. It would have been the end of the world

Noise from the leftist meltdown would still be echoing

But Obama spying on a Republican campaign? "Only proves that they have to be Russian agents"

No proof required

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 7:09:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: Nnanji


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ORIGINAL: MasterJaguar01


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

This president was also right about the British helping Obama spy on his campaign

Remember when the leftist media was hysterical and insane because the president refused to apologize for calling them out on it?

The New York Slimes - Trump Offers No Apology for Claim on British Spying

Clinton News Network: White House: No apology to British government over spying claims

Even The Guardian: Trump and Spicer's remarks about British 'wiretapping' are absurd




OMG....

Come off it already...No one wire tapped Trump! The claim that British wiretapped him is as idiotic as the claim that Obama wiretapped him.

The British caught Trump and his lackeys in conversation they were monitoring. The FBI caught trump and his lackeys in conversations related to the investigation of Carter Page (of whom they had a FISA Warrant). (Not to mention the CIA who was notified by GCHQ)

Neither the FBI, nor GCHQ are controlled by Obama. Just stop this silliness.

Now that the facts are out, both claims by Trump have been proven false.

You have been definitively and conclusively been proven wrong.

Let it go already.



Okay idiot...try and think for a minute. I know it's really really hard. At this point in history, every phone call on the planet is intercepted and recorded by multiple governments. Everyone is monitored. The distinction is who has their calls leaked. And what do we have here, leaked Trump organization calls. Please try and understand this isn't your grandfathers...opps...fathers...opps your old spy organization. You make a call, it's recorded. They don't care about old idiots like you so they ignore your calls. Calls that have a national security issue they review. Calls that have a political issue that doesn't comport with their politics they leak.



LOL... That's your debating tactic? "Okay idiot..."?

You are actually partially correct here.
But, No. Not every call is intercepted and recorded by multiple governments. But some are.

Keep in mind, the assertion was that Obama illegally wiretapped Trump. That is demonstrably false.

As for who leaked it? No one on this thread knows. Was it done for political purposes? Again, no one on this thread knows.

The bottom line is this: When the POTUS and his aides are caught in surveillance which shows criminal activity, news of it will leak. Period.

If you are saying the distinction is..."Who has their call leaked". You are correct there. The answer is: POTUS and his aides.


That being said. The assertion of this thread is demonstrably false and absurd. (And so are Trump's assertions. And BTW, Trump owes the UK and GCHQ a YUUUUGE apology for accusing them of wire tapping him) .

I picked a leftist rag for you as a source.


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/may/04/telephone-calls-recorded-fbi-boston

quote:

Let's repeat that last part: "no digital communication is secure", by which he means not that any communication is susceptible to government interception as it happens (although that is true), but far beyond that: all digital communications - meaning telephone calls, emails, online chats and the like - are automatically recorded and stored and accessible to the government after the fact. To describe that is to define what a ubiquitous, limitless Surveillance State is




I will concede the point. Perhaps I was making a semantic distinction. The fact of the matter is digital audio phone calls are not "recorded" in an audio sense. Rather, a digital binary file containing the audio is stored.

Once again, I concede the point, and will assert it is merely a semantic distinction.

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 7:16:46 AM   
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ok... I get it, you are butt hurt, because this administration got caught with its pants down. If you want to say that intelligence agencies spied for political purposes, you are entitled to that opinion. You have shown ZERO proof.

Flynn's life was destroyed, because he was overheard DIRECTLY violating the Logan Act, negotiating with Sergey Lavrov (who was targeted by intelligence agencies) on the removal of U.S. sanctions on Russia.

None of the spying was illegal, nor even inappropriate. Oh, and BTW... If Obama had ANYTHING to do with it... GOOD FOR HIM. I appreciate a President investigating criminal activity which rises to the level of a threat to national security.


Imagine if George Bush had been caught spying on the Obama campaign for a year prior to the election. Damaging information were leaked to Breitbart, etc

You and the media, Black Lies Madder, Rachel Madcow... Wouldn't be buying the lines you are trying to sell right now. It would have been the end of the world

Noise from the leftist meltdown would still be echoing

But Obama spying on a Republican campaign? "Only proves that they have to be Russian agents"

No proof required


If Obama and his team were working for the Russians, and intelligence agencies discovered this. (And I later found out that George W Bush was somehow behind the investigation.)... I would have said "Go GWB!!!! You finally did something right!

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 7:17:44 AM   
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This president was also right about the British helping Obama spy on his campaign

Remember when the leftist media was hysterical and insane because the president refused to apologize for calling them out on it?

The New York Slimes - Trump Offers No Apology for Claim on British Spying

Clinton News Network: White House: No apology to British government over spying claims

Even The Guardian: Trump and Spicer's remarks about British 'wiretapping' are absurd




OMG....

Come off it already...No one wire tapped Trump! The claim that British wiretapped him is as idiotic as the claim that Obama wiretapped him.

The British caught Trump and his lackeys in conversation they were monitoring. The FBI caught trump and his lackeys in conversations related to the investigation of Carter Page (of whom they had a FISA Warrant). (Not to mention the CIA who was notified by GCHQ)

Neither the FBI, nor GCHQ are controlled by Obama. Just stop this silliness.

Now that the facts are out, both claims by Trump have been proven false.

You have been definitively and conclusively been proven wrong.

Let it go already.



Okay idiot...try and think for a minute. I know it's really really hard. At this point in history, every phone call on the planet is intercepted and recorded by multiple governments. Everyone is monitored. The distinction is who has their calls leaked. And what do we have here, leaked Trump organization calls. Please try and understand this isn't your grandfathers...opps...fathers...opps your old spy organization. You make a call, it's recorded. They don't care about old idiots like you so they ignore your calls. Calls that have a national security issue they review. Calls that have a political issue that doesn't comport with their politics they leak.


There was no spying, though highly placed Obama administration officials admit to the spying, the British press admits there was spying, the details of conversations are known and civilians whose conversations were recorded were unmasked and details were disseminated around the world and then leaked to leftist mega media corporations

But there was no spying


There was tons of spying! That's what intelligence agencies do! Especially when they suspect criminal activity and/or threats to national security.

The Russians and Carter Page (a Russian agent) were targeted.

Why is that so hard for you to understand?


You are acting the part of a moron. I didn't post that the Russians weren't targeted, neither did I post that Carter Page wasn't targeted.

While we are on the subject of "THE RUSSIANS!!!" though, where are the indictments. That was last summer.

Oh, so no illegal activity had occurred?

Yes, there was tons of spying, and leaking - for political purposes

Civilians were routinely unmasked, for political purposes. Flynn, among others (whose life was destroyed)

And a massive scandal that wasn't a scandal became the false leftist media narrative of the decade as a result of a coordinated effort

"TRUMP!!! RUSSIA!!!"



ok... I get it, you are butt hurt, because this administration got caught with its pants down. If you want to say that intelligence agencies spied for political purposes, you are entitled to that opinion. You have shown ZERO proof.

Flynn's life was destroyed, because he was overheard DIRECTLY violating the Logan Act, negotiating with Sergey Lavrov (who was targeted by intelligence agencies) on the removal of U.S. sanctions on Russia.

None of the spying was illegal, nor even inappropriate. Oh, and BTW... If Obama had ANYTHING to do with it... GOOD FOR HIM. I appreciate a President investigating criminal activity which rises to the level of a threat to national security.

Really, you've read the Flynn transcript so you know what the conversation was and what laws it violated. I love liberals. One day one liberal make a speculation and th next day it's handed down as kool aid to all the followers. Oh ya, Flynn broke the law and Susan Rice was just doing her job.

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 7:23:21 AM   
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ok... I get it, you are butt hurt, because this administration got caught with its pants down. If you want to say that intelligence agencies spied for political purposes, you are entitled to that opinion. You have shown ZERO proof.

Flynn's life was destroyed, because he was overheard DIRECTLY violating the Logan Act, negotiating with Sergey Lavrov (who was targeted by intelligence agencies) on the removal of U.S. sanctions on Russia.

None of the spying was illegal, nor even inappropriate. Oh, and BTW... If Obama had ANYTHING to do with it... GOOD FOR HIM. I appreciate a President investigating criminal activity which rises to the level of a threat to national security.


Imagine if George Bush had been caught spying on the Obama campaign for a year prior to the election. Damaging information were leaked to Breitbart, etc

You and the media, Black Lies Madder, Rachel Madcow... Wouldn't be buying the lines you are trying to sell right now. It would have been the end of the world

Noise from the leftist meltdown would still be echoing

But Obama spying on a Republican campaign? "Only proves that they have to be Russian agents"

No proof required


If Obama and his team were working for the Russians, and intelligence agencies discovered this. (And I later found out that George W Bush was somehow behind the investigation.)... I would have said "Go GWB!!!! You finally did something right!

He doesn't think that way, and can't imagine anyone else would either.

To him, the entire population walks around with Rs or Ds on their chests, blinding repeating and arrogantly defending talking points.

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 7:32:25 AM   
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ok... I get it, you are butt hurt, because this administration got caught with its pants down. If you want to say that intelligence agencies spied for political purposes, you are entitled to that opinion. You have shown ZERO proof.

Flynn's life was destroyed, because he was overheard DIRECTLY violating the Logan Act, negotiating with Sergey Lavrov (who was targeted by intelligence agencies) on the removal of U.S. sanctions on Russia.

None of the spying was illegal, nor even inappropriate. Oh, and BTW... If Obama had ANYTHING to do with it... GOOD FOR HIM. I appreciate a President investigating criminal activity which rises to the level of a threat to national security.


Imagine if George Bush had been caught spying on the Obama campaign for a year prior to the election. Damaging information were leaked to Breitbart, etc

You and the media, Black Lies Madder, Rachel Madcow... Wouldn't be buying the lines you are trying to sell right now. It would have been the end of the world

Noise from the leftist meltdown would still be echoing

But Obama spying on a Republican campaign? "Only proves that they have to be Russian agents"

No proof required


If Obama and his team were working for the Russians


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As he was leaning toward Medvedev in Seoul, Obama was overheard asking for time — “particularly with missile defense” — until he is in a better position politically to resolve such issues.

“I understand your message about space,” replied Medvedev, who will hand over the presidency to Putin in May.

“This is my last election … After my election I have more flexibility,” Obama said, expressing confidence that he would win a second term.

“I will transmit this information to Vladimir,” said Medvedev, Putin’s protégé and long considered number two in Moscow’s power structure.

The exchange, parts of it inaudible, was monitored by a White House pool of television journalists as well as Russian reporters listening live from their press center.


Here



Is this is the first time you have ever heard of this, Pinocchio?

Maybe some day you will be a REAL thinker!!!

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and intelligence agencies discovered this. (And I later found out that George W Bush was somehow behind the investigation.)... I would have said "Go GWB!!!! You finally did something right!


All depends on who has bought the Department of Justice

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 7:34:53 AM   
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ok... I get it, you are butt hurt, because this administration got caught with its pants down. If you want to say that intelligence agencies spied for political purposes, you are entitled to that opinion. You have shown ZERO proof.

Flynn's life was destroyed, because he was overheard DIRECTLY violating the Logan Act, negotiating with Sergey Lavrov (who was targeted by intelligence agencies) on the removal of U.S. sanctions on Russia.

None of the spying was illegal, nor even inappropriate. Oh, and BTW... If Obama had ANYTHING to do with it... GOOD FOR HIM. I appreciate a President investigating criminal activity which rises to the level of a threat to national security.


Imagine if George Bush had been caught spying on the Obama campaign for a year prior to the election. Damaging information were leaked to Breitbart, etc

You and the media, Black Lies Madder, Rachel Madcow... Wouldn't be buying the lines you are trying to sell right now. It would have been the end of the world

Noise from the leftist meltdown would still be echoing

But Obama spying on a Republican campaign? "Only proves that they have to be Russian agents"

No proof required


If Obama and his team were working for the Russians, and intelligence agencies discovered this. (And I later found out that George W Bush was somehow behind the investigation.)... I would have said "Go GWB!!!! You finally did something right!

He doesn't think that way, and can't imagine anyone else would either.

To him, the entire population walks around with Rs or Ds on their chests, blinding repeating and arrogantly defending talking points.

Projection there. Let's set Boxco aside and pick a real world example shall we? Let's take...say...Obamacare. On the one hand Harry Read, Nancy Palosi and their corporate pals disappear into a closed room, development a law thousands of pages long, exit the closed room and tell the American people and the democrats that they can review the law after it's become law. All of the little lemmings march in lockstep and pass the law with huge gifts to the corporate pals, with just a couple having to be bribed. Then to repeal the law the republicans can't because they can't achieve a consensus. Which is stupid I admit, they've had plenty of time. But, the point is that the Republicans were allowed to review, form an independent opinion and vote their conscience. So, who is it that walks around...in the real world...with a R or a D on their chest?

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 8:11:24 AM   
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ok... I get it, you are butt hurt, because this administration got caught with its pants down. If you want to say that intelligence agencies spied for political purposes, you are entitled to that opinion. You have shown ZERO proof.

Flynn's life was destroyed, because he was overheard DIRECTLY violating the Logan Act, negotiating with Sergey Lavrov (who was targeted by intelligence agencies) on the removal of U.S. sanctions on Russia.

None of the spying was illegal, nor even inappropriate. Oh, and BTW... If Obama had ANYTHING to do with it... GOOD FOR HIM. I appreciate a President investigating criminal activity which rises to the level of a threat to national security.


Imagine if George Bush had been caught spying on the Obama campaign for a year prior to the election. Damaging information were leaked to Breitbart, etc

You and the media, Black Lies Madder, Rachel Madcow... Wouldn't be buying the lines you are trying to sell right now. It would have been the end of the world

Noise from the leftist meltdown would still be echoing

But Obama spying on a Republican campaign? "Only proves that they have to be Russian agents"

No proof required


If Obama and his team were working for the Russians, and intelligence agencies discovered this. (And I later found out that George W Bush was somehow behind the investigation.)... I would have said "Go GWB!!!! You finally did something right!

He doesn't think that way, and can't imagine anyone else would either.

To him, the entire population walks around with Rs or Ds on their chests, blinding repeating and arrogantly defending talking points.

Projection there. Let's set Boxco aside and pick a real world example shall we? Let's take...say...Obamacare. On the one hand Harry Read, Nancy Palosi and their corporate pals disappear into a closed room, development a law thousands of pages long, exit the closed room and tell the American people and the democrats that they can review the law after it's become law. All of the little lemmings march in lockstep and pass the law with huge gifts to the corporate pals, with just a couple having to be bribed. Then to repeal the law the republicans can't because they can't achieve a consensus. Which is stupid I admit, they've had plenty of time. But, the point is that the Republicans were allowed to review, form an independent opinion and vote their conscience. So, who is it that walks around...in the real world...with a R or a D on their chest?

You missed the shitloads of revisions the Republicans demanded to the ACA legislation, the months of wrangling during which the initial set up was gutted, and that several Democrats tried to fillibuster it as well, then?
"Lockstep". Right.

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RE: President Trump Was Right To Refuse Britain Apology - 4/14/2017 8:13:09 AM   
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And the "retort" is an explanation pitting Ds against Rs.

Not really the sharpest tool in the shed.

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