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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 4:21:04 AM   
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if I were a student from the organization that's sponsoring the event, or an otherwise right leaning student, rather than let the leftists show up as a mass with the intent to disrupt, id work to invite individual liberals who are friends and ask them to go with me, and show up relatively early in order to secure the seats.


The first ammendment must not be in your copy of the constitution?

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 5:02:14 AM   
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if I were a student from the organization that's sponsoring the event, or an otherwise right leaning student, rather than let the leftists show up as a mass with the intent to disrupt, id work to invite individual liberals who are friends and ask them to go with me, and show up relatively early in order to secure the seats.


I think if I were a right leaning faculty on campus, id do likewise---id invite my liberal colleagues and sit spread out amongst the auditorium in the hopes that an adult presence, especially an adult presence who espouse liberalism, would curb any violence that students might otherwise have felt free to engage in.

at the same time, in class, id probably take the opportunity to do some little blurbs on free speech and the marketplace of ideas.

and if I were an administrator, id send a campus wide email to that same effect.

in that email, id lay out some expectations for behavior and cite consequences for running afoul of them. to start---any acts of physical violence lands you in jail and expelled.

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 5:32:08 AM   
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They come in masks, administrators were involved in the violence at past events, and they might target the "liberals" more than anyone ast traitors to the Marxist cause

It's not really like you are going to reason with fascists with anything other than superior force as a negotiating point

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 5:52:53 AM   
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to an extent, both of those points occur at a position outside the actual speaking venue. im also thinking of the students who are actually inside listening.

however, given what you said, id set up a relatively large barrier well outside the venue and not let anyone in who wasn't actually going to the event. that might presume tickets to the event as opposed to people just showing up but I like that idea anyways.

in terms of violence outside of the event---I imagine the tension between responding with force that might lead to escalation vs responding with force that deters it, is a tough one.

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 5:59:03 AM   
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Even the Berkeley city officials and police seem to have been coordinating a lack of protection with the University officials, who were directly involved in the violence

Leftists have become desperate and unhinged. They have lost the debate, and they know it. Now they are turning to violence and other unlawful activity to regain power at every level, and debate is verboten

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 6:26:08 AM   
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if that is all true, then ann coulter is walking into another situation like milo---and still, something needs to be done somewhere by someone. to not is to be negligent.

I don't think its that they have any cognition of that they have lost the debate. I think rather its they think they are morally superior and that the right are evil, and therefore violence in opposition is justified.

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 6:26:21 AM   
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Leftists have become desperate and unhinged. They have lost the debate, and they know it. Now they are turning to violence and other unlawful activity to regain power at every level, and debate is verboten


wow...just like the founders of amerika.

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 6:30:06 AM   
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if that is all true, then ann coulter is walking into another situation like milo---and still, something needs to be done somewhere by someone. to not is to be negligent.

I don't think its that they have any cognition of that they have lost the debate. I think rather its they think they are morally superior and that the right are evil, and therefore violence in opposition is justified.


Do you agree that they have become unhinged?

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 6:36:02 AM   
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many yes, but not all.

and the question at hand is, for the ann coulter event, how do you prevent the unhinged from practicing behavior contrary to the peace and the purpose of the event.

and by extension---if that prevention doesn't occur, what can be/should be done about that.

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 6:40:25 AM   
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haven't read this yet:

"Conspiring to stifle free speech is a crime: Glenn Reynolds"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/02/06/time-end-leftist-impunity-glenn-reynolds-column/97521138/

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 6:57:58 AM   
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haven't read this yet:

"Conspiring to stifle free speech is a crime: Glenn Reynolds"

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/02/06/time-end-leftist-impunity-glenn-reynolds-column/97521138/


The key word there to me is the word "conspiring" - and that is exactly what is happening, all the way up to George Soros groups and the DNC

Obama said, "They bring a knife, we bring a gun."

We need to be just like Obama in that regard because the alternative is to give up our rights, as well as democracy itself

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 6:59:56 AM   
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There is ample evidence that the tranquility of the neighborhood will be shattered when outside agitators like Ann Counter are brought in to cause trouble. If the police and Dept of Student Safety can't handle the situation it should be cancelled, but that would violate Coulter's right to free speech.

Seriously, folks, the heckler's veto is a prohibition against the government from arresting the speaker to maintain law and order.

The speaker can keep on speaking while being heckled but the hecklers cannot be prohibited their opinions unless they threaten to drown out the speaker.

It is problematic (in Case Law) for the government to arrest hecklers except I would guess if the hecklers are causing a danger to safety and property. Then, it is just riot law.



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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 7:00:58 AM   
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~FR~

There is ample evidence that the tranquility of the neighborhood will be shattered when outside agitators like Ann Counter are brought in to cause trouble. If the police and Dept of Student Safety can't handle the situation it should be cancelled, but that would violate Coulter's right to free speech.

Seriously, folks, the heckler's veto is a prohibition against the government from arresting the speaker to maintain law and order.

The speaker can keep on speaking while being heckled but the hecklers cannot be prohibited their opinions unless they threaten to drown out the speaker.

It is problematic (in Case Law) for the government to arrest hecklers except I would guess if the hecklers are causing a danger to safety and property. Then, it is just riot law.




It's a woman talking

The horror

Run and hide little pussy man

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 7:25:58 AM   
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what would you do, in whatever role you want to put yourself in, concerning this event?

Hire the Hell's Angels for security. It worked for the Rolling Stones.

Colorado III% United Patriots would probably do it for free.

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 7:31:46 AM   
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It's a woman talking

There has been some debate about that.

The horror

Whore?

Run and hide little pussy man


Are all pig phoquers tuff guys like you?

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 7:47:33 AM   
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Farmers' market to close as Berkeley braces for pro-Trump rally

Fun times

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 8:23:56 AM   
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But nutsuckers you have a surfeit of free speech, you felchgobble your pedophilia and your factless nutsucker slobberblog propaganda, and intelligent people tell you you are retarded compound gimps.

Thats how free speech works.

So, commie nutsucker ca is coming out in force on saturday, what a country.

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 11:02:03 AM   
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If fire hoses and guns don't work to quell the libs then they should throw pies.

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 11:28:27 AM   
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Mmmm.....Pie!

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RE: getting out ahead of this one... - 4/14/2017 1:57:56 PM   
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"Conspiring to stifle free speech is a crime: Glenn Reynolds"

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It is time for new laws that will make higher education leaders take the 1st Amendment seriously.

They told me if Donald Trump were elected, voices of dissent would be shut down by fascist mobs. And they were right!

At the University of California, Berkeley campus, for example, gay conservative speaker Milo Yiannopoulos had to be evacuated, and his speech cancelled, because masked rioters beat people, smashed windows, and started fires. Protesters threw commercial fireworks at police.

According to CNN: “The violent protesters tore down metal barriers, set fires near the campus bookstore and damaged the construction site of a new dorm. One woman wearing a red Trump hat was pepper sprayed in the face while being interviewed by CNN affiliate KGO. . . . As police dispersed the crowd from campus, a remaining group of protesters moved into downtown Berkeley and smashed windows at several local banks. No arrests were made throughout the night.”

According to CNN, the protests caused over $100,000 in damage.

Yiannopoulous wasn’t the only victim of silencing efforts. At Marquette University, conservative speaker Ben Shapiro faced efforts by Marquette university employees to silence him.

The Young Americas Foundation obtained Facebook comments by Chrissy Nelson, a program assistant for Marquette’s Center for Gender and Sexuality Studies, encouraging people — at the behest of “one of the directors of diversity” — to reserve all the seats for the hall and then not show up. The purpose of this was “to take a seat away from someone who actually would go.”

So students who wanted to hear a speaker with alternative views would find themselves unable to get a seat, because a university employee had made fake reservations. All, apparently, in the name of “diversity.”

Likewise, when conservative Gavin MacInnes (a founder of Vice.com) appeared to speak at New York University, he was met by an angry mob that forced him to cut his talk short, while a woman who identified herself as an NYU professor urged police, whom she said were “protecting the Nazis” by keeping the crowd away from MacInnes and his entourage, to "kick their ass” instead of protecting them.

This stuff all looks terrible — so bad that Democrat operative Robert Reich was reduced to blaming “outside agitators” for the violence, a trope that, as law professor Ann Althouse noted, has unfortunate resonance with the Jim Crow era. And President Trump even tweeted that Berkeley should lose federal funding for its inability to ensure free speech rights for everyone on its campus.

Well, the rioters may or may not have been Berkeley students — as Althouse notes, since they were wearing masks, there’s really no way Reich could tell — but I think it’s safe to say that the rioting happened because they thought they could get away with it. (And with no arrests, I guess they did.) Likewise, I think that the staffers at Marquette didn’t entertain any thought that what they were doing might get them punished. (Nor, as far as I can tell, have they been).

That’s because there has evolved on our campuses a culture of impunity: Misbehavior on the part of lefty activists will get winked at, even as other groups (sports teams with sexist appearance rankings, say) get raked over the coals for minor misbehavior. This double standard is of a piece with many campuses openly taking sides over the election, treating Trump’s win like a terrorist attack, while investigating Trump supporters for racist allegations only to find no evidence that they had done anything except say “Make America Great Again,” as Babson College, a small school in Massachusetts, did. And as CNN's Marc Lamont Hill acknowledged, right-wing rioters are absent on college campuses.

Whether or not Berkeley loses its federal funding over the Milo riots (and it won’t), I think it’s time for action to address this double standard. First, state and local law enforcement agencies need to target violent rioters who seek to silence speakers. It is a felony under federal civil rights law to conspire to deprive citizens of their constitutional rights, among which is free speech. In addition, many states have laws (generally called Klan laws) that punish people who engage in mob violence or intimidation while masked. These should be applied as well.

Second, perhaps it’s time to have a Title IX-style law banning discrimination according to political viewpoints on campus. Many states (including California) already have laws banning discrimination in hiring and firing based on political viewpoints. Perhaps we need a federal civil rights law providing that colleges that receive federal funds (which is pretty much all of them) can lose those funds if they discriminate against students because of their political views.

Some colleges may complain that this is federal interference in their internal affairs, but given the limited resistance they’ve mounted to intrusive Title IX regulations, it will be hard to take such complaints seriously. America’s colleges and universities have a free speech problem. It’s appropriate for the federal government to take action to protect the civil rights of those affected.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/02/06/time-end-leftist-impunity-glenn-reynolds-column/97521138/

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