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SecondBestBoy -> Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 6:16:22 PM)

I haven't seen this discussed yet here, but since it's a kink site I would think people would be outraged by this. I don't know how any die-hard Republican can spin this industry giveaway as excusable. In a mostly party-line vote, Republicans in Congress voted to overturn an FCC rule that prevented your ISP from selling your browser history to the highest bidder. Your kink preferences, your financial info, your Social Security number, it's all up for grabs now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/29/opinion/how-the-republicans-sold-your-privacy-to-internet-providers.html?_r=0

Here's a list where you can see how much your district Representative got bribed by the telecom industry to sell you out:

http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/29/15100620/congress-fcc-isp-web-browsing-privacy-fire-sale

Remember this when you vote next year, people.




SecondBestBoy -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 6:44:10 PM)

BoscoX? Any useful idiots for the corporate party want to take a swing at justifying this sellout?




Edwird -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 6:52:37 PM)

You are kidding, right?

Google and Amazon and every browser have been doing this for some years already.

Yes this new removal of whatever tu tu skirt the congress was wearing in the first place on the matter now allows the internet servicers to get caught up with the others.

It's plain political science: when Democrats or Republicans vote on a 'deal' where they know their party is going to lose the vote, it's just a wink and a nod to their sponsors if it goes by party lines; no harm/no foul, as they say.

If paying attention, we see that party members get paid for 'no' votes, when it matters, too.

Remember 'Senator NO' (Jessie Helms,) from the lovely state of North Carolina, whose recently elected governor said 'NO' to NC HB2.

I still can't figure out where I am on that one, but it doesn't matter now.

What matters more to me is WTF Google and Amazon are doing.

Get yourself on to NoScript and apprise yourself of how those A holes destroy your 'web experience.'

Your dual-core and your OS and your memory are not slow, it's those bastards slowing everything down any chance they get that's the problem.







InfoMan -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 6:56:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SecondBestBoy

I haven't seen this discussed yet here, but since it's a kink site I would think people would be outraged by this.


Because realistically you didn't lose anything except the illusion of privacy.
Any software browser that you use Already does all that stuff automatically with out your permission.





SecondBestBoy -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 7:02:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Edwird

Google and Amazon and every browser have been doing this for some years already.

...

It's plain political science: when Democrats or Republicans vote on a 'deal' where they know their party is going to lose the vote, it's just a wink and a nod to their sponsors if it goes by party lines; no harm/no foul, as they say.



Amazon isn't a browser. I don't know what made you think that. I think it's sad that it doesn't bother you that Republicans in Congress just made a bad thing worse for all of our privacy. You sound very content to live in a world where you have zero privacy, and corporations get to buy and sell you at will.

As for your brush off that the parties are in collusion, that's just intellectual laziness. Laws don't get passed without people voting them into existence. The people who do the bad deed own it. That is the GOP. THEY sold you out here.




SecondBestBoy -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 7:05:46 PM)


NoScript (which I have on one computer) doesn't keep your ISP from knowing which sites you visit! Did you think that? Your ISP HAS to know which sites you're visiting because they are delivering the web pages to you. NoScript just keeps scripts from running on pages. The ISP doesn't need scripts to know which URLs you are asking them for. Do you even know how the web works? Please learn.

There is no way to keep your ISP from knowing which pages you visit. There WAS a way to keep them from selling that info to anyone in creation. Now, thanks to virtually every Republican in Congress, that safeguard to our privacy is gone.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 7:15:39 PM)

FR

My understanding is that prior to this legislation, yes Google, Facebook, and other such services like that did indeed do this, but that we at least had some semblance of control over the info we shared, by controlling privacy preferences, opting in and out of options, etc. They could get complicated, and lots of people never bothered, but if you cared enough, you did at least have those safeguards. I am one of those that used those opt-out options and safeguards as much as possible.

But with this new legislation, ISPs do not have to and will not offer those safeguards. They can and will retrieve that info and use it as they see fit, to their profit.

edited to clarify that ISPs, not browsers, don't offer the safeguards




Kirata -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 7:21:07 PM)


I'm with you on this one. It's just one more erosion of privacy. But it appears that some states are crafting laws to plug the hole.

Legislators around the country are responding to public anger and introducing ISP privacy bills in Minnesota, Illinois, Maryland. The list keeps growing. ~NPR

K.





SecondBestBoy -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 7:23:56 PM)


Glad to hear that, Kirata. If I recall right, you're a conservative. It used to be conservatives were big on privacy. I wish more of them still were.




SecondBestBoy -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 7:26:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

But with this new legislation, browsers do not have to and will not offer those safeguards. They can and will retrieve that info and use it as they see fit, to their profit.


Maybe you meant "ISPs" rather than "browsers". You can craft a browser to do whatever you like (it's just a piece of software sitting on your computer). What you can't control is what an ISP (verizon, comcast, etc.) will do with the information about your website visits. That's what Republicans opened the floodgates on.




Wayward5oul -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 7:30:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SecondBestBoy


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ORIGINAL: Wayward5oul

But with this new legislation, browsers do not have to and will not offer those safeguards. They can and will retrieve that info and use it as they see fit, to their profit.


Maybe you meant "ISPs" rather than "browsers". You can craft a browser to do whatever you like (it's just a piece of software sitting on your computer). What you can't control is what an ISP (verizon, comcast, etc.) will do with the information about your website visits. That's what Republicans opened the floodgates on.

Yes, you are right. I meant ISPs.




Aylee -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 7:30:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SecondBestBoy

I haven't seen this discussed yet here, but since it's a kink site I would think people would be outraged by this. I don't know how any die-hard Republican can spin this industry giveaway as excusable. In a mostly party-line vote, Republicans in Congress voted to overturn an FCC rule that prevented your ISP from selling your browser history to the highest bidder. Your kink preferences, your financial info, your Social Security number, it's all up for grabs now.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/29/opinion/how-the-republicans-sold-your-privacy-to-internet-providers.html?_r=0

Here's a list where you can see how much your district Representative got bribed by the telecom industry to sell you out:

http://www.theverge.com/2017/3/29/15100620/congress-fcc-isp-web-browsing-privacy-fire-sale

Remember this when you vote next year, people.


A regulation that had NOT been implemented yet, was removed. Nothing changed.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 7:34:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SecondBestBoy


Glad to hear that, Kirata. If I recall right, you're a conservative. It used to be conservatives were big on privacy. I wish more of them still were.

Conservatives are still big on privacy.
Republicans, not so much.




SecondBestBoy -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 7:37:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

A regulation that had NOT been implemented yet, was removed. Nothing changed.


False. Republicans changed what information of yours would be kept out of other people's hands. A regulation that was going to protect your privacy has been obliterated - by Republicans who were handsomely bribed to do so. That's a change, and it should be a troubling one to you.




InfoMan -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 7:40:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SecondBestBoy
There is no way to keep your ISP from knowing which pages you visit.


There are thousands of ways to prevent your ISP from knowing what you're looking at... from VPN's, to Proxies, to basic encryption. All your ISP does is connect your IP address to another IP address and transfers data between the two. If you proxy your activity through something else - all your ISP see's is you attaching to that something and that's it.

Maybe take your own advise:
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Do you even know how the web works? Please learn.




Aylee -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 7:45:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: SecondBestBoy


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ORIGINAL: Aylee

A regulation that had NOT been implemented yet, was removed. Nothing changed.


False. Republicans changed what information of yours would be kept out of other people's hands. A regulation that was going to protect your privacy has been obliterated - by Republicans who were handsomely bribed to do so. That's a change, and it should be a troubling one to you.


The regulation was not going into effect until the end of this year. It has been removed now. And it was not going to protect my information. Certain companies were still going to be allowed to data mine. Like I said, nothing actually changed when the regulation was repealed. Things were the same that day that they had been for however long.

The rule on personal information on the internet has always been, you need to protect yourself. There are ways to make yourself more secure on the internet. You can also remember to never put anything on the internet that you would not want your deal old sainted grandmother to see or hear about.




SecondBestBoy -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 7:57:04 PM)

LOL. You're trying gamely to deny what's in front of you. A regulation was going to considerably protect your data from being sold by ISPs at the end of the year, and now that regulation has gone poof. That's not a change?

Your second paragraph also has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject at hand. Nice try at diverting the topic. "Putting something onto the internet" now includes any proprietary, secure exchange of information or transaction you have with a private vendor. It was going to be kept private, and how it can be sold to the highest bidder.

Before Republicans did this, your visit to ExtremeRestraints (for instance) next January was going to be kept private. Now your ISP can sell the fact that you bought from that site, and a few weeks later your junk mail will be full of sex toy ads. Inevitably some will get misdelivered with your name and address on them to your neighbor when the mail carrier has a clumsy day.

Thank you for voting Republican, Aylee. Ka-ching, ka-ching!




Edwird -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 8:37:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SecondBestBoy
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ORIGINAL: Edwird
Google and Amazon and every browser have been doing this for some years already....

It's plain political science: when Democrats or Republicans vote on a 'deal' where they know their party is going to lose the vote, it's just a wink and a nod to their sponsors if it goes by party lines; no harm/no foul, as they say.


Amazon isn't a browser. I don't know what made you think that.


I don't know what made you so not understanding of basic English enough to get that I was clearly separating Google and Amazon in one function vs, browsers in another function.

In any case, Google and Amazon (cloudflare) flood tons of web pages on any browser with their scripts unless you actively prevent such intrusion.

quote:

I think it's sad that it doesn't bother you that Republicans in Congress just made a bad thing worse for all of our privacy. You sound very content to live in a world where you have zero privacy, and corporations get to buy and sell you at will.


I think it's sad that you keep harping on politics as being either the only problem or the only solution to every of society's problems. We live in an oligarchy, (look it up,) which of course relies somewhat on politics, but if you know nothing about ALEC or the lobbies or 'the not legally required to be listed as a lobby' lobbies, or the so-called 'think tanks' who write whatever laws that ALEC doesn't do already, then don't try to pretend you know how the country and the world works, much less about politics.

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As for your brush off that the parties are in collusion, that's just intellectual laziness.


I never said the parties were in collusion, that's just intellectual incapacity on your part to even think that's what I was proclaiming.

I am just sick and disgusted, but not actually too much because I saw something like our current situation miles and years beforehand. Am I saying I saw Trump as president? No such thing. I'm just saying that with our conglomerate media, I didn't see things going well even if whatever Democrat got elected.

We need something better than what we were offered in the last election. This country and in fact most of the world would appreciate something better.

If we are going to be the biggest badass in the world, we are a hell of a disappointment right now, and I am with those in this country and those elsewhere in the world who say that we need to do better and live up to the task. And YES, they have a right to speak, if speaking with semblance of good manners and thoughtfulness, and trying to give encouragement in rough times, because what is done in the US has more effect on the world, like it or not, than any other. Forget any notion of US isolationism. The ship of international trade and international interdependence has been sailing since long ago. This is where we are now.

Thank goodness the US has Mexico and Canada and China and Germany and others to ship US-made machinery to, just as we import theirs, as we have done in past administrations and will continue to do through any administration.

I'm tired of the all bitching about Trump. As far as I am concerned the US has been going downhill since 1980, sorry if so many of you weren't paying attention until just now.

I don't care when things take a turn for the better, aside sooner rather than later. Not saying I'm an optimist, I'm not that now anymore than I was 4 or 20 years ago, but pessimism will not win the day here, folks.

The media completely suck, not just in the US but everywhere I look. Turn that crap off, or spend no more than two minutes on it, and let's figure out what to do for ourselves, for our society.










SunDominant -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 8:57:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Conservatives are still big on privacy.
Republicans, not so much.


True story.




Kirata -> RE: Republicans selling your private browser history to all comers (4/16/2017 9:01:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: InfoMan

All your ISP does is connect your IP address to another IP address and transfers data between the two. If you proxy your activity through something else - all your ISP see's is you attaching to that something and that's it.

Your connection to the proxy is still through your ISP, which still handles all of the traffic between you and the proxy. The proxy only hides you from the websites you visit. A commercial proxy service that provides unlimited bandwidth and an encrypted connection will add about $10/month to your Internet costs.

K.





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