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WhoreMods -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/18/2017 10:22:58 AM)
I see this as either May trying to weasel out of situation she finds intolerable or genuinely thinking she'll get a mandate to carry on as she is if she wins an election now. Be interesting to see how it plays out, given that.

PeonForHer -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/18/2017 4:02:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods I see this as either May trying to weasel out of situation she finds intolerable or genuinely thinking she'll get a mandate to carry on as she is if she wins an election now. Be interesting to see how it plays out, given that. Well, looking at the bright side, it might just get the pain over with faster. The gormless turds who voted for Brexit in the belief that a) they'll see a reduction in immigrants and b) a boost in fine British sovereignty (not that they generally have the first solid idea of what the latter entails) ... but who won't actually see any benefit from either ... might realise, just that bit sooner. God, do I wish they'd all just fuck off and watch The Great Escape on continuous loop and leave the rest of us to handle our country, free of schoolkid fantasies and soppy nostalgia, as best we can.

longwayhome -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/18/2017 5:48:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: ORIGINAL: WhoreMods I see this as either May trying to weasel out of situation she finds intolerable or genuinely thinking she'll get a mandate to carry on as she is if she wins an election now. Be interesting to see how it plays out, given that. Well, looking at the bright side, it might just get the pain over with faster. The gormless turds who voted for Brexit in the belief that a) they'll see a reduction in immigrants and b) a boost in fine British sovereignty (not that they generally have the first solid idea of what the latter entails) ... but who won't actually see any benefit from either ... might realise, just that bit sooner. God, do I wish they'd all just fuck off and watch The Great Escape on continuous loop and leave the rest of us to handle our country, free of schoolkid fantasies and soppy nostalgia, as best we can. I heartily concur. It's difficult to have a functioning democracy in a country with no functioning opposition. May will get her mandate, even if it is just because everyone is so pissed off with all the butt hurt about Brexit meaning Brexit and the pantomime that Labour and the Liberals have turned themselves into. As for the SNP, who are the only functioning opposition at the moment, the election will only demonstrate the divergence of Scotland from the rest of the UK, which plays into their hands beautifully. Incidentally having listened to all the Brexteers giving us all their Brexit means Brexit and "settled will of the UK public" guff based on a slender majority in a single vote, I thought a vote was forever, and going back to the public to confirm your mandate or check that the public are still with you was unnecessary, even un-British (who could ever offer a contrary opinion when the people have spoken). Well it seems no vote is forever (who'd have thought it) and the act passed to make every Parliament five years to avoid this sort of shit (i.e. calling elections when you think it is to your own advantage) meant absolutely nothing. No opposition can afford to say no to an election and retain any credibility so the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011 was in reality not worth the expensive paper it was written on. It seems after all that democracy is about going to the people regularly to seek their support and not just clinging to the results of a single vote. It's just that people are all in favour of votes that look as if they might get them what they want (like the huge Conservative majority we are about to get while our useless opposition look at their own feet) and not so keen on votes that might leave them with dilemmas. No danger then of our politicians asking the public (or even Parliament) what they think about the Brexit deal in two years time. No that would be undemocratic because the people have already spoken.

WickedsDesire -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/18/2017 11:26:43 PM)
Ed Miliband seen preparing snarky tweet guffaw - actually who is he again? Boris Johnson to attempt to eat his own head live on ITV fair laughed at that one Mind you i wouldn't put it past the nutter. [image]http://collarspace.com/attachments/041817/29B47C0C-6E8D-4CC7-89EF-3FAA77CB52BF2.jpg[/image] [image]http://collarspace.com/attachments/041817/29B47C0C-6E8D-4CC7-89EF-3FAA77CB52BF1.jpg[/image]

WickedsDesire -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/19/2017 8:44:55 AM)
I really dont see the point of starting 100s new threads on this besides most Americans live in a bubbleverse. I can if you want? Today I was reading Theresa May will not be taking part in the TV debates - seems a bit strange that. SNP, who have 56 MPs-3rd largest party, to abstain on vote calling for snap election shrugs And I came across this, which was a lot more than i was aware off. [image]http://collarspace.com/attachments/041917/83AB79E1-A237-4F6A-8B73-04132D66A35E1.jpg[/image]

WickedsDesire -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/19/2017 9:29:02 AM)
Snap election is approved. MPs approve motion to call general election by 522 to 13 The UK parliament has 650 MPs.

blnymph -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/19/2017 1:29:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1 ... The EU told her straight.... You can't because you don't qualify. Yet she still fooled most of Scotland that it was possible. ... Nope The EU position is that there can't be any EU-Scotland negotiations parallel to the Brexit negotiations. There are many "if"s though: If the "UK" leaving the EU is reduced to, say, a Union of England&Wales only ... if before or if after Brexit If an independent Scotland declares an Act of Brexit null and void ... There have been many discussions about those international legal implications when Catalunya tried to vote for independence from Spain and whether it could remain a EU member or had to reapply for membership There have also been procedures in the opposite situation when the GDR joined the FRG as well as the EU - there were no separate GDR-EU negotiations required. To cut it short: It appears the Tories are not informing the British public what is really going on. All that mess because the Tories can't get to terms with themselves. For decades ...

longwayhome -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/20/2017 1:57:58 PM)
The situation with Scotland and the EU would appear in fact to be far more straightforward than the scaremongers suggest. A number of heads of state, EU politicians and Commission employees have pointed out the obvious truth, which is that if an independent Scotland applied to become part of the EU, there would be a very short process because an independent, democratic Scotland would already meet all the requirements for joining, including the financial requirements. Scotland's laws (already separate to the rest of the UK) have already integrated all EU and European Human Rights legislation. Scottish industry complies with all EU regulations. Scotland, although smaller and more economically vulnerable than the UK, has the same level of debt as the rest of the UK. Furthermore Scottish politicians have for many years worked as part of a larger polity, i.e. the UK, and so have no problem working with Europe. The hypocrisy with which people have promoted UK independence from Europe whilst complaining about Scots wanting self-determination is staggering. Usually this is combined with a quite vicious attitude towards the Scots where the same people say they want a vote on Scottish independence in which they would vote to kick the Scots out of the UK, despite the fact that they do not live in Scotland and therefore have no say. Imagine the same people putting up with EU interference in UK politics or referendums. I don't want to see the break up of the UK, but I also don't want to see the break up of the EU. English politicians and the English public are perfectly entitled to have a view on the unity of the UK and a view on Scottish independence, but they have no conceivable justification for seeking to assert their own sovereignty whilst complaining about or actively interfering with self-determination for Scotland. Bear in mind that Scottish self-determination has for living memory been to remain in the UK. If Scotland does become independent, the deciding factor will be the UK decision to leave the EU. The majority in Scotland for staying part of the UK was far larger and more convincing than the vote for Brexit. It is a sad reflection on our new found desire for conflict, inward-looking and distrust of others that the Scots may vote for independence not to be apart from the UK so much as to remain part of a wider community of nations. The Scots always saw independence as self determination and would have chosen to be part of a community of nations including the rest of the UK. The Brexit vote represents a far more significant form of isolationism than those supporting Scottish independence ever conceived for Scotland. I don't even support Scottish independence but the continued patronisation and hypocrisy in the attitude that many have towards Scotland is just one feature of the troubling attitude we are developing towards our fellow human beings and our neighbours in the world. One election to confirm the future direction of the UK. When will we really know the consequences of Brexit? No-one is telling us what type of agreement with the EU we are going to have. This election will give us no more openness. We voted for a pig in a poke with no knowledge of what Brexit would deliver. That is not to say that people didn't vote for Brexit because they did. It was the precise nature of that Brexit that we were never told. Even now May is telling us nothing, except to trust her to negotiate effectively with our European neighbours and trust her to get a good deal. Given the fact that May has made a second referendum in Scotland inevitable by not even make a decent pretence of communicating with the Scottish government since the Brexit vote, how can we trust her negotiation skills? She could have made sure that the SNP had no grounds for a referendum just by turning up and publicly discussing their concerns. Sturgeon doesn't have a majority in the Scottish Parliament. She wouldn't have carried a vote there without May's high-handed refusal to engage at any serious level. May handed it to Sturgeon on a plate. Someone so poor at negotiating with other countries and taking account of their domestic politics shouldn't be given a free reign to negotiate and decide the UK's future.

PeonForHer -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/20/2017 3:20:42 PM)
quote: The hypocrisy with which people have promoted UK independence from Europe whilst complaining about Scots wanting self-determination is staggering. Heh. Repeatedly, amongst English people, I've heard the sorts of comments made by continental Europeans about Brexit and Brexiters mirrored by English Brexiters whenever there's been talk of Scottish Independence. 'They can't survive on their own', 'they're just being difficult for the sake of it', 'Sod it, let them go - who needs them?' Etc, etc. On the other hand the average Scottish Nationalist does seem to be able to put his finger on coherent points and hard facts whenever when he's asked, 'So, exactly how is sovereignty in Scotland diminished by its being ruled from London' and 'Exactly which aspects of day-to-day life in Scotland would you change should Scotland become independent?' Hmm. Re: I can't remember, now, exactly how the lives of us Brits were meant to improve as a result of the EU (the only hard fact being that of the £350 million for the NHS, which was of course garbage.) That whole discussion seems to have quietly died - to be replaced by one that's of the character of 'Hey, don't be pessimistic - we'll survive - it might not be too bad!' ETA - just for nostalgia's sake: that lovely, lovely Brexit advert that showed us just how perfect the NHS will be as a result of the UK being out of Europe. Heartwarming! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIYq5xMW98I

longwayhome -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/20/2017 11:10:32 PM)
We can all survive on our own. I'm just not convinced that we need Brexit, or Scottish independence for that matter, to prove it. I get that we voted ourselves out of Europe and I can live with that reality. The thing I find problematic is why, after being so keen on being given a say in the initial referendum vote, people are so keen to let the government decide everything else from this point onwards. The politicians we were told not to trust yesterday, now must be trusted to negotiate Brexit and we are not to worry our pretty little heads about it. We've had our fill of democracy now. Instead of Brussels telling us what we had to do (if it ever did) we've now got a bunch of rich, out-of-touch Tories telling us what to do. But that's okay because they are British. So we have voted ourselves out of Europe so that we can leave every detail to our established governing elite. Someone certainly got more power out of this transaction. Tell you who didn't - the British people. Roll on the overwhelming May majority so that we can all act like sheep and be handed whatever Brexit our magnanimous Prime Minister wants to give us. In the meantime we can look over our shoulders at what all those pesky foreigners and terrorists are doing while our own government protects the rich and systematically dismantles the things we used to be proud of, like the NHS. Embrace the future? We need to fight for it but I sadly think that most people are just willing to hand it over to Theresa May gift wrapped with a big bow.

WhoreMods -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/21/2017 4:35:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: longwayhome The situation with Scotland and the EU would appear in fact to be far more straightforward than the scaremongers suggest. A number of heads of state, EU politicians and Commission employees have pointed out the obvious truth, which is that if an independent Scotland applied to become part of the EU, there would be a very short process because an independent, democratic Scotland would already meet all the requirements for joining, including the financial requirements. Are you sure? Scotland has neither its own currency, nor a centralised bank. There were issues over that during the referendum weren't there?

WickedsDesire -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/21/2017 8:06:06 AM)
Longwayhome wherever you are from- good post. Anyhoos this isn’t really about Scottish independence....we are just about to have our council elections now in Scotland 4th may 2017 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_local_elections,_2017 Heh did you know in at least one of our councils the labour and conservatives joined forces to stop the SNP running that one? Shameful arent they. However the Conservatives are happy in that the SNP have 56/59 seats – well not that happy at the 56. But in essence it takes away the typical 40-50 labour used to get from Scotland. Labour will never win an outright majority again in the UK because of that. If the gap in the polls close between Conservatives’ and Labour they will play the hung Parliament card and that "Scotland" will hold the balance of power in the UK - and I can assure many “English” hate “Scottish” But do you know I am not entirely sure what this election is really about – labour already said they would vote yes with the government on BREXIT. A vote for labour isnt a reversal, or potential second referendum, regarding the EU. I think that 350 million quid thing was just the usual fake propaganda peon, I know you know that, but gullible are the sheople imagine how many people bought into that and the ideology behind it - besides didn’t they have a bus touring all around the UK with that

WickedsDesire -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/21/2017 8:20:18 AM)
Theresa May speaks to voters in her Maidenhead constituency PM says commitment to spending 0.7% of GDP on foreign aid will remain Labour focuses on education, blaming the Tories for "super-sized classes" Tim Farron says Theresa May has "every reason to be afraid of the Liberal Democrats" fair laughed at that one my self Nicola Sturgeon launches council elections manifesto as a "clear choice" between SNP and Tory Scum (guffaws) The government has ditched controversial probate fee rises ahead of the 8 June election - no idea what that was anyone\?

WickedsDesire -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/21/2017 8:34:44 AM)
The chancellor has given a major hint that he is no fan of the 2015 Tory manifesto pledge not to raise income tax, national insurance or VAT. After the embarrassing U-turn on the attempt to raise taxes for the self-employed, Philip Hammond told me the government needed "flexibility" on taxes. The manifesto is not yet final, so no irreversible decisions have been taken. The chancellor said he didn't come into politics to "increase taxes". But it is the clearest hint yet that Mr Hammond would like to see the 2015 manifesto promise on taxes significantly amended if not abandoned all together. That reminds me how is their deficit pledge going and how many times did they break that- revise that. And their modus operandi huge cuts and cuts again and how exactly is that working out now for say the NHS Schools Infrastructure Poor Vulnerable zero hour contracts guffaws Disabled Mums - we all know what the rape clause is right? What is the child tax credit 'rape clause'?

WhoreMods -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/21/2017 8:36:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire The government has ditched controversial probate fee rises ahead of the 8 June election - no idea what that was anyone\? Death duties.

WickedsDesire -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/21/2017 8:39:22 AM)
none of the wiser - do I have to pay for the pleasure of death with a hoard of rampaging nymphomaniacs from outer space heh whats the inheritance tax again?

WhoreMods -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/21/2017 8:58:24 AM)
This probate thing, in fact. Strictly speaking it's a fee rather than a tax, but it has to be paid before your heirs inherit. They were planning to sneak it through quietly, but have now delayed doing so until after the election.

WickedsDesire -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/21/2017 10:33:18 AM)
Ah got-ya - but isnt this technically offset by the inheritance tax of bygone years That aside "The controversial Ministry of Justice scheme to raise £300m a year extra on the fees by charging up to £20,000 for large estates was authorised by the justice secretary, Liz Truss." The new fees would have ranged from nothing for estates valued at up to £50,000, to £20,000 for estates worth more than £2m. This would have replaced a current flat rate of £215 if an application is made by an individual. How "controversial" can this be - how many people do you know with a large estate and whats £20 000 to the fox murdering fukers anyway ___________ Oh right I forgot to add in we have a snap election and yet even the government doesnt have a manifesto guffaws

bondageerone -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/21/2017 10:44:39 AM)
wickedsdesire scots bitch you are a shithead. hahaha or guffffawwws .

WhoreMods -> RE: May to seek snap election June 8th (4/21/2017 12:13:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire Ah got-ya - but isnt this technically offset by the inheritance tax of bygone years That aside "The controversial Ministry of Justice scheme to raise £300m a year extra on the fees by charging up to £20,000 for large estates was authorised by the justice secretary, Liz Truss." The new fees would have ranged from nothing for estates valued at up to £50,000, to £20,000 for estates worth more than £2m. This would have replaced a current flat rate of £215 if an application is made by an individual. How "controversial" can this be - how many people do you know with a large estate and whats £20 000 to the fox murdering fukers anyway ___________ Oh right I forgot to add in we have a snap election and yet even the government doesnt have a manifesto guffaws It's only controversial to people who think that if you're leaving an estate worth over two million having to pay the state twenty grand that they'll give to unemployed chavs to spend on WKD and scratchcards is an imposition.

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