Milesnmiles
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
Whoops! I was going to tack this on to my prior post and let it slip.
One of the things that I think you tend to forget is that a lot of the things that you try to swing at with the "privilege" bat also come with a price. So, once again, I'll try to illustrate this.
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ORIGINAL: respectmen
Ignorance is bliss.
Out of men or women, who is most likely going to do the dangerous and dirty work to operate the sewers?
Out of men or women, who is most likely going to do the dangerous and dirty work to build the foundation of the home you live in and the general infrastructure in society?
Out of men or women, who is most likely going to do the dangerous and dirty work to supply electricity to everyone?
All of these types of jobs you mention, you're forgetting about the fact that these were areas that just a few decades ago wouldn't hire women. Yes, a person can look at it as 'women aren't/weren't doing it,' but it also means that men had the privilege of having the opportunity to have the job, earn the income, etc. Yep, men are more likely to do these jobs, but they are also getting the shot at actually getting the jobs.
While we're at this section, let's also talk about a thing that is commonly known here as "day labor". By labor, I mean blue collar type that are often sourced by temp agencies. Men are way more likely to get such assignments, rather than women, usually because of what are known as the 'lifting requirements'.
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Out of men or women, who is most likely to die or get serious injuries/health risks in the workplace due to dangerous hard work which keeps society operating?
This is probably correct, even though it's a skewed stat and you combined two different areas. There are absolutely more dangerous occupations that are primarily held by men, so it's only logical that the accident rate is higher within the male side of the equation. However, society doesn't just 'run' on those occupations that are about building infrastructure. It's awesome to have buildings, bridges, and roads. What happens to your 'society' when you take away the occupations that are predominately held by women? The elementary school teachers, day-care providers, the clerks of all varieties?
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Out of men or women, who is most likely to be homeless? Out of men or women, who is most likely to get support for homelessness?
A parent is more likely, *IF* the child is (supposedly) in their care.
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Out of men or women, who is most likely going to be taken less seriously compared to the opposite gender of being a victim of DV or rape?
This one, I'll actually give you, though I don't think it's as easy as you often try to make it out to be.
As we've discussed on other threads, I honestly think the reporting rates for males in these areas sucks with a capital "S". I honestly don't have a good suggestion about how we get more of the male victims to come forward. In rape cases especially, there's this huge, really sh^tty barrier about the 'less of a man' theory. A lot of the aspects of this are the same side effects that women have after a sexual assault, but they can be amplified by male victims. When the perpetrator is a man, the victim didn't 'fight' hard enough. When the perpetrator is a woman, it's 'why didn't you just like it'?
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Out of men or women, who is most likely going to receive less empathy compared to the other gender for any problem you have in life?
I'm still from the age/era that more men than women have available credit, more financial assets than most women, more job security, more likely to inherit a family business, etc. In most married couples, men tend to have the higher credit score.
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Out of men or women, who has it easier in life to find relationships/sexual partners?
Personal relationships should never be viewed like the EEO.
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Out of men or women, which gender usually has suspicion hovering over their heads of being a pedophile for simply being around children?
My personal opinion is that women are still more often viewed as the caregivers, particularly for small children. This is why women, more than men, are more likely to be accepted in supervising small children. Most people, accurately, have the assumption that day care workers/pre-K teachers/primary parent are women. With this in mind, most women aren't considered 'out of place'.
At the same time, I'm more likely to side with people noticing adults "hovering" without good reason.
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Out of men or women, which gender is more likely going to get harsher punishments from the justice system?
I'll give you this one, too. I'm pretty harsh on criminal punishment. I honestly don't give much of a crap about an offender being separated from their off-spring. That should have been considered before whatever a person did to land their ass in jail in the first place. If a person has *proved* they should be removed from society, using their kids as leverage points or the sympathy factor isn't big with me.
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Out of men or women, who is more likely going to get judged for being unemployed, living with your parents, not having a car, and material things in general?
Have to go back to which gender are more to be the automatic assumed care givers. When it comes to the majority of m/f couples, which partner is more likely to be the stay-at-home care giver for a young child, a disabled family member, or an elderly parent?
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Out of men and women, who is more likely going to get helped by others if you have a flat tyre or any other problem?
Your timing is impeccable! Unlike the brunt of certain comedy routines about how women 'ignore' the cute little sensor light when it pops up on the dashboard, I came home early last night (and stayed home today) because my tire pressure sensor went off. Being practical, I brought myself and my car home.
I did pop the seal on this same tire in January. Did I have people that I didn't know stop and offer to help? Yes. Did I have different concerns when that happened should it have happened to you? Yes. When your car gets a flat, you are far less likely to worry about whether or not the person who stops to 'help' is going to sexually assault you.
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Out of men and women, who is more likely going to be considered and taken seriously when you talk about a gender issue that your gender has? Who is less likely going to cop ridicule and abuse for doing so?
I think YOU are taken less seriously to a number of factors.
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Anyone who claims men are more privileged than women is a fucking moron.
Except, you as a man are more likely to get a job, have the ability to rent an apartment based solely on your credit score, purchase a car, skip out on child support, have the ability to fight off a physical attacker, are more likely to have a college degree, will never have to lose six weeks worth of income due to childbirth, etc, etc, etc.
There are always two sides of everything.
You both seem to be making good points, the problem that I see is that although you are correct that there are "always two sides of everything" what the two of you seem to be forgetting is that they are two sides of the same problem.
It’s kind of like a man pulling a cart with his wife and children on board and the wife saying how come you never let me pull the cart and the man thinking why in the world would you ever want to pull the cart? I would rather be sitting in the cart myself.
So, what seems to be going on is a little of the "grass is always greener".
I’m old and maybe I don’t really like opening doors for others but maybe because of the way I was raised, I feel good when I do and when I’m walking on the sidewalk with a woman, I feel uncomfortable unless I’m walking on the street side, so I’m the first to get hit if a car jumps the curb.
It’s not that I think women necessarily need or want my help and protection and not that I’m particularly good at it but I have this feeling that it’s my job and at my age that feeling isn’t going to go away anytime soon.
Let me point something else out, I noticed a long time ago, when a man and a woman go walking hand in hand the man's hand almost always faces backward and the woman's hand almost always faces forward and if you get them to change the other way around the reaction is almost instantaneous, they will go "ou" will go back to the other way. This can't be cultural, we aren't trained how to hold hands. So the question I have is there some about being male and female that drives most of us to our respective roles that has nothing to do gender bias?
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