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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Lessee... The Dems have lost 1000 seats since "moderate" Obama's "historic election"

And Politico says, they're just now "beginning to wonder"?

They look kinda panicky to me [;)]

I know what their problem is - they aren't radical enough. It's their soft spoken ways, they just aren't getting their message out.

They need to get louder

Sorry Bosco, you are wrong about not getting their message out.

They are getting their message out, but its the wrong mother fucking message.

The Dems are screaming about "gun control" (i.e bans) "protect the environment" (i.e pass regulations that are impossible to meet without destroying the bottom line for firms) "alternative energy" (i.e support technology that is so inefficient that you need 20 square miles of collectors to power a small town) a social agenda that promotes not working over getting a fucking job and increases taxes to support it, and finally "protecting the rights of minorities" or let every Tomas, Pablo and Ying Chang sneak in the country and have all the rights of a legal citizen and NOT do a fucking thing about it.

Lets face it, their main way of solving the illegal alien problem revolves around some fucked up amnesty theory.
Their primary idea for curbing gun violence is to ban guns, using some vague definition as to make just about every rifle subject.
Jobs going over seas? Lets blame the rich and business owners and ignore the fact that some of their "landmark" environmental regulations are too fucking expensive for small to medium sized firms to put in place, then raise taxes on the wealth individuals and leave loopholes for corporations to actually make a billion dollars in profits and not pay a dime in taxes.
Got a problem? The dems solution is to throw money at it.
Health care reform, come up with some fucking bill that is 10,000 pages long so that no one actually has a fucking clue as to what is actually in it.

Then, and this is the part that is funny as fucking hell, when their grand plan goes down the toilet, point at the GOP and say its their fault.

Of course, when it comes to diplomatic problems, take half measures that barely work so that the American people are so fucking sick of being screwed that some loose cannon walks away with the next presidential election.

Lets face it, the Dems have not put forth a good presidential personality since JFK.

Look at the Cuban Missile crisis, did JFK mention sanctions? Fuck no, he fucking dared the soviets to cross a line, and the Russians backed up.

Of course, Reagan basically out spent the Soviets to the point their already fucked up economy went down the toilet. Remember Star Wars? Everything that he pushed for was technologically possible but not in the time frame he wanted. All he had to do was start the research process and the Soviets started a defense spending program that ended up bankrupting their country.

Then comes Clinton followed by Obama who took the legacy of the Dems and flushed it down the toilet by setting up some of the most stupid programs, tax laws, social programs and shitting on every damn thing the average American supports and call it progress.

" I will close the detention center at Guantanamo Bay."

Its still open.

"I will get our troops out of Iraq"

He did, but did so in such a way it left the door open for every radicalized extremist Islamic group to move in a really fuck things up, so now there is every probability that to fix the problem, we will be back in there with a few hundred THOUSAND troops.

Yeah, he got Osama, but in all reality Osama was no longer a viable terrorist leader, other groups had come along making Al Qaeda look like a bunch of pacifists.

And the motivation was not for justice, but to gain a few political points. Bush stopped hunting Osama because Osama had ceased being a viable threat. He was a toothless tiger compared to groups coming up in Syria, Libya and Yemen.

So thats what dems do now, scream about shit they know aint going to happen or just make things worse then to score a few political points go and do something that looks good in the media but serves no useful function.

Seriously, if JFK or Robert Kennedy were alive today, they would have voted for Trump.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I can't agree about leftists.

But it IS true that Congressional Democrats have no compass. They're trying to be liked by their base again, primarily.

Unfortunately, the GOP doesn't have a compass either, which is why they can't pass what they claim are their primary objectives, beyond a Supreme Court seat, which was a simple yes or no, and didn't involve the House.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I can't agree about leftists.

But it IS true that Congressional Democrats have no compass. They're trying to be liked by their base again, primarily.

Unfortunately, the GOP doesn't have a compass either, which is why they can't pass what they claim are their primary objectives, beyond a Supreme Court seat, which was a simple yes or no, and didn't involve the House.

Too many establishment RINOs

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

1) The GOP has a specific, written platform
2) A "RINO" would have to violate that platform

Where have "RINOs" violated that platform?

It's a nonsense term. It means "Republicans aren't what I want them to be, but I want to insist I'm a Republican, so I'll pretend people I disagree with aren't 'real' Republicans."

It's a child's game.

And, as stalled legislation in Congress shows, Republicans in Congress are anything but unified.

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

I agree, yet I'd rather the congress do nothing if the republicans can't come up with something to agree to rather than have Harry Reid disappear with Nancy Palosi and then have them walk out and tell the congress how they'll vote and that they can read what they vote on after its passed. I've never had a problem with a government shut down.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

1) The GOP has a specific, written platform
2) A "RINO" would have to violate that platform

Where have "RINOs" violated that platform?

It's a nonsense term. It means "Republicans aren't what I want them to be, but I want to insist I'm a Republican, so I'll pretend people I disagree with aren't 'real' Republicans."

It's a child's game.

And, as stalled legislation in Congress shows, Republicans in Congress are anything but unified.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

1) The GOP has a specific, written platform
2) A "RINO" would have to violate that platform

Where have "RINOs" violated that platform?

It's a nonsense term. It means "Republicans aren't what I want them to be, but I want to insist I'm a Republican, so I'll pretend people I disagree with aren't 'real' Republicans."

It's a child's game.

And, as stalled legislation in Congress shows, Republicans in Congress are anything but unified.

The really pathetic thing is the idiots calling long standing party members who disagree with the shitehawk RINOs: you'd think that somebody who only chased the republican nomination in the first place because he didn't want to pay to stand as an independent would tick that box, wouldn't you?

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

1) The GOP has a specific, written platform
2) A "RINO" would have to violate that platform

Where have "RINOs" violated that platform?

It's a nonsense term. It means "Republicans aren't what I want them to be, but I want to insist I'm a Republican, so I'll pretend people I disagree with aren't 'real' Republicans."

It's a child's game.

And, as stalled legislation in Congress shows, Republicans in Congress are anything but unified.

The really pathetic thing is the idiots calling long standing party members who disagree with the shitehawk RINOs: you'd think that somebody who only chased the republican nomination in the first place because he didn't want to pay to stand as an independent would tick that box, wouldn't you?

Post 75, second grade troll.

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

1) The GOP has a specific, written platform
2) A "RINO" would have to violate that platform

Where have "RINOs" violated that platform?

It's a nonsense term. It means "Republicans aren't what I want them to be, but I want to insist I'm a Republican, so I'll pretend people I disagree with aren't 'real' Republicans."

It's a child's game.

And, as stalled legislation in Congress shows, Republicans in Congress are anything but unified.

The really pathetic thing is the idiots calling long standing party members who disagree with the shitehawk RINOs: you'd think that somebody who only chased the republican nomination in the first place because he didn't want to pay to stand as an independent would tick that box, wouldn't you?

Post 75, second grade troll.

You can demonstrate el presidente's long term adherence to republican values and ideology then, can you?

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

1) The GOP has a specific, written platform
2) A "RINO" would have to violate that platform

Where have "RINOs" violated that platform?

It's a nonsense term. It means "Republicans aren't what I want them to be, but I want to insist I'm a Republican, so I'll pretend people I disagree with aren't 'real' Republicans."

It's a child's game.

And, as stalled legislation in Congress shows, Republicans in Congress are anything but unified.

The really pathetic thing is the idiots calling long standing party members who disagree with the shitehawk RINOs: you'd think that somebody who only chased the republican nomination in the first place because he didn't want to pay to stand as an independent would tick that box, wouldn't you?

Post 75, second grade troll.

You can demonstrate el presidente's long term adherence to republican values and ideology then, can you?

You can't state a comment in polite non-troll terms and then go to second grade when people respond to you in kind.

Post 77 troll appears again.

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I can't agree about leftists.

But it IS true that Congressional Democrats have no compass. They're trying to be liked by their base again, primarily.

Unfortunately, the GOP doesn't have a compass either, which is why they can't pass what they claim are their primary objectives, beyond a Supreme Court seat, which was a simple yes or no, and didn't involve the House.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Too many establishment RINOs

But gridlock is better than the left's continued forced march toward Marxism, which has murdered roughly a hundred million people (or more)

That's why I say that the left can divide into as many parties as they want, so long as the right remain unified with the goal of staving off your far left hate mob ideologues

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

I can't agree about leftists.

But it IS true that Congressional Democrats have no compass. They're trying to be liked by their base again, primarily.

Unfortunately, the GOP doesn't have a compass either, which is why they can't pass what they claim are their primary objectives, beyond a Supreme Court seat, which was a simple yes or no, and didn't involve the House.

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Too many establishment RINOs

But gridlock is better than the left's continued forced march toward Marxism, which has murdered roughly a hundred million people (or more)

That's why I say that the left can divide into as many parties as they want, so long as the right remain unified with the goal of staving off your far left hate mob ideologues

Neither party has a compass at any level of government.

RINO, another way of saying a moderate Republican.

Lets put it this way, if the house is on fire, the DEMS are going to run for the fire hydrant without a fire hose and the GOP is going to point at something else to blame for the fire.

The two party system evolved to prevent a single group from going off the deep end, and during most of American history the deep end was avoided through compromise.

In government today, compromise is the farthest thing from the mind of any politician.

If the dems and GOP were on the Titanic, no one would have gotten to the life boats, because both sides would have still been arguing about what to do about the fucking iceberg when the ship finally went under the waves.

Or to put it another way, both sides today see the problems, but instead of working together to find a solution, they are still arguing over why the problems exist in the first place. During the Obama administration the argument always boiled down to it was Bush's fault. Now, in the Trump administration the argument is that it was Obama's fault.

Who gives a fuck who's goddamn fault it is, fix the fucking problems and forget about who to fucking blame!

The funny thing is that if we took the extremists from both sides here in the forums and put them in a room, I would bet that given enough time, they would actually find the solution to most, if not all, of the problems facing the US today.

And the reason is simple.

In real life, in the non political world, every one of us has learned the value and the necessity of compromise. We do it every damn day at work and home.

We do it when it comes to bills and groceries and whether or not we buy the latest high tech gadget. We compromise on the perfect vacation because jr needs this or that for school or baby jane needs braces.

At work we do it because we have to. We compromise on every thing from vacation days to which of us takes the trash to the dumpster on any given day.

Why? Because every one of us knows that there is no way in hell we can get our way every time, and we accept that.

We can because we know that we are not always right and we accept that.

Politicians know all this as well, but somehow they have to the idea that if they even consider a compromise they wont get re elected. They will be seen as selling out their beliefs.

However, compromise is not selling out, it is coming to a workable solution that BOTH sides can live with and accept.

Compromise was the name of the political game throughout most of our history, and the lack of compromise got us some really wonderful highlights, like the civil war.

Seriously, as early as 1845 southern congressman offered ideas that would end slavery and not bankrupt the south in the process, all based on how the British Empire did it.

Northern states shut the door in their faces.

The result was the civil war AND the years of racism and civil rights fuck ups we have had since.

Hell, the dems blamed Hoover for the Great depression, like he personally created the situation that led to the stock market crash.

There were republicans that blamed FDR for Pearl Harbor and WWII, and Wilson for WWI.

The simple truth is that neither of them could have prevented either war, and both parties created the situation that led to the stock market crash and the whole fucking planet created the great depression (people forget that one of the reasons it was called the great depression is that it affected the entire world market.)

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

I've always boiled down what you've said to, "Never trust a politician, they all will eventually screw you." I've also said that the left needs to worry about the pendulum swinging back. Even now I'm watching to see when the republican politicians decide to screw us all. Some here would probably say it started last Inauguration Day. I think not yet.

The thing I have trouble relating to is that even though we all see that all politicians have a tendency to this, some political philosophies still want us all under central government control.