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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 4/29/2017 2:12:42 PM

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Beyond that I've seen studies showing that there's a possible causal genetic element to homosexuality. Families in which in every generation they are multiple homosexuals.

As such, I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a genetic relationship to gender dysmorphia. And thus, the last thing

There are studies and then there are more studies. The gay gene has never been identified, AFAIK. You make a big assumption there, Des.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 4/29/2017 6:24:13 PM

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I have a couple of friends, married for several years. The husband came out as transgender - the wife was really upset, and the reason (or one of them) was because she was straight, and didn't want people to think she was lesbian. It didn't matter to me because I wasn't as emotionally invested in him and his identity as she was. I still have trouble referring to her as "her" - obviously. His kids really didn't have much of an issue with the change, because they were older, as in , out of their teens, and out of the house for many years.

I think it would be easier to accept a child transitioning than a parent. A child is constantly changing, evolving.
For a child a parent is a static entity. It took me a long time, into my 30's, to relate to my parents as adults and not just my parents. It would be hard to accept that your parents identity isn't the one you grew up with. Heck, divorce is hard enough for most kids, imagine finding out that your father thinks they are a mother, or visa versa.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 4/29/2017 7:17:28 PM

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Beyond that I've seen studies showing that there's a possible causal genetic element to homosexuality. Families in which in every generation they are multiple homosexuals.

As such, I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't a genetic relationship to gender dysmorphia. And thus, the last thing

There are studies and then there are more studies. The gay gene has never been identified, AFAIK. You make a big assumption there, Des.

I did say possible. I believe I've seen more studies on it in avians though. Which is indeed a far cry from mammals.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 4/30/2017 1:59:28 AM

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No kid of mine will ever feel they have no where to turn and that it's better if they kill themselves. Since transgender children have a suicide rate ten times of cisgender, straight kids, of course I would talk to them openly.

Facebook now has 59 freaking gender identifies to choose from.

I think it's just getting out of hand.

The whole problem is, just because a boy like female stuffs, doesn't mean he HAS to be female.

The "kind of acceptance" is the wrong kind of acceptance.

I feel that, if a boy wants to wear a skirt and put on make up. Just let him explore.

I feel like this whole "changing into woman", is so that, as a boy, he wouldn't be looked at funny, so he is forced to gender change, because he feels maybe as a female, he could fit in better.

But it's ridiculous! Because there should be nothing wrong with a boy liking female stuffs, and a girl liking male stuffs.

I think rather than making people "accept transgender". That's the wrong direction.

How about telling a child first of all, that, there is NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU, if you are male and you like playing with dolls and wearing make up, and wearing dresses. Absolutely zero nothing wrong. You don't have to change into a woman just to fit in!

The suicide problem is simply because they feel like there is something wrong with them.

And the crazy thing is, people think the solution is gender change that is gonna 'save their lives". That is such a extreme and drastic solution.

Even Caitlyn as an adult grand-father/grand-ma now. Is like totally confuse after his gender change, whether he should date women or males. It causes all these stupid confusions.

There would be no confusion IF they embrace his love to dress like a woman, and yet he still likes dating female. And having sex as a male to female.

Now the poor guy got reassign below too and because he has enjoyed sex as a man all his life, obviously producing all these multiple kids, now he is more confuse than ever.

Because this whole pro-transgender thingy seem to be, "As long as you like female stuffs, You are meant to be female and should change into a female."

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 4/30/2017 7:36:40 AM

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No one is forcing anyone to transition.
This is always self driven. Always.

How old were you when you knew you were a girl? If someone had told you then that because you wore a blue shirt, you were actually a boy, you would not have agreed. If they demanded you wear boys clothes, a boy's short hair cut and call yourself by a boy name just to make sure that you are really female, you would have refused. Because you've always known your true gender.

Same thing with a transgendered child, they know who they really are. It's everyone else who doesn't believe them.
You expect everyone to accept that you're a straight cisgendered female. But you have the temerity to think that although everyone should accept what you say, you don't have to give anyone else that same respect.

If this is how you are with people, then no wonder you have only had failed relationships. Respect must be a two way street.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 4/30/2017 8:08:17 AM

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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No kid of mine will ever feel they have no where to turn and that it's better if they kill themselves. Since transgender children have a suicide rate ten times of cisgender, straight kids, of course I would talk to them openly.

Facebook now has 59 freaking gender identifies to choose from.

I think it's just getting out of hand.

The whole problem is, just because a boy like female stuffs, doesn't mean he HAS to be female.

The "kind of acceptance" is the wrong kind of acceptance.

I feel that, if a boy wants to wear a skirt and put on make up. Just let him explore.

I feel like this whole "changing into woman", is so that, as a boy, he wouldn't be looked at funny, so he is forced to gender change, because he feels maybe as a female, he could fit in better.

But it's ridiculous! Because there should be nothing wrong with a boy liking female stuffs, and a girl liking male stuffs.

I think rather than making people "accept transgender". That's the wrong direction.

How about telling a child first of all, that, there is NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU, if you are male and you like playing with dolls and wearing make up, and wearing dresses. Absolutely zero nothing wrong. You don't have to change into a woman just to fit in!

The suicide problem is simply because they feel like there is something wrong with them.

And the crazy thing is, people think the solution is gender change that is gonna 'save their lives". That is such a extreme and drastic solution.

Even Caitlyn as an adult grand-father/grand-ma now. Is like totally confuse after his gender change, whether he should date women or males. It causes all these stupid confusions.

There would be no confusion IF they embrace his love to dress like a woman, and yet he still likes dating female. And having sex as a male to female.

Now the poor guy got reassign below too and because he has enjoyed sex as a man all his life, obviously producing all these multiple kids, now he is more confuse than ever.

Because this whole pro-transgender thingy seem to be, "As long as you like female stuffs, You are meant to be female and should change into a female."

It appears that you are projecting too much of your shit onto other people. No one has to live their life based upon your expectations of what things 'should be'.

Who gives a fuck what some has been athlete, reality television personality does. Most of us do not. Many of us do not relate to that person's life or struggles. And most of us don't have the finances, to make the physical changes to reflect our inner, emotional person...........the way that person has. So to ME, it's rather tragic that anyone would use this person as any sort of example. It's just television and not real life.

The fact of the matter is that struggles with gender identity are real. What that is, for any given person, is not something anyone else gets to define. I don't care one iota about the gender of my loved ones. I care that they are happy and living a life that gives them joy and fulfillment.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 4/30/2017 9:02:03 AM

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My transgender friend was the only male I have ever heard say he wanted to cut his penis off. And this was before he came out.

As soon as he did, his comment made a lot more sense. If he identifies as a female, then of course his penis is .... not right. I felt so sorry for her and all she has gone through emotionally. She told me that she has felt wrong since she was a kid but transitioning wasn't a thing then, so she made the decision to be the manliest man out there, regardless of inner feelings. And she was.

Married a couple of times, had a couple of kids, worked in a male dominated industry. Had a very successful life. But just didn't feel right.
I'm not sure she is any happier now, but she feels more authentic.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 4/30/2017 9:13:32 AM

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Good Morning.

I'm going to give this my best shot. In doing so, I want to be very clear that I don't consider myself an authority on such matters. I just try to give my opinion on what I think, mixed with my experiences in interacting with others.

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But I am just curious that if anybody had parents who transit much later in life. Would they still have the same relationship with their parent? Does anybody think they could?

Do I think it would be the same? No, I don't think that it would. I'd be building a new relationship with the new person that they had become. The person that they always felt they were. In this, I'd have to understand that me being that person's daughter, really isn't the center of their universe. That person has the right to be happy and it's not up to me to be so selfish as to attempt to keep them as something they are not just so my little world isn't rocked. I really don't have the desire for someone in my family circle to be miserable just for my sake. Why would I want somebody that I actually cared about to be unhappy just to keep me happy?

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The whole problem is, just because a boy like female stuffs, doesn't mean he HAS to be female.

It's not about liking "female stuffs". It's about feeling like your mind and your consciousness is trapped inside the wrong body. A prison that you might never be able to leave?

It would be like you living under your Mother's thumb, forever, with no chance of escape.

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How about telling a child first of all, that, there is NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU, if you are male and you like playing with dolls and wearing make up, and wearing dresses. Absolutely zero nothing wrong. You don't have to change into a woman just to fit in!

No. The kid already knows that something is wrong. It's not about "fitting in". It's about them knowing their brain doesn't match their body.

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The suicide problem is simply because they feel like there is something wrong with them.

The suicide problem is about a number of issues. If I woke up in a male body tomorrow, and I was told I had to stay that way until the end of my days.... I wouldn't want that.

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And the crazy thing is, people think the solution is gender change that is gonna 'save their lives". That is such a extreme and drastic solution.

Would you get an operation to fix you if you were in a wheelchair?

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Even Caitlyn as an adult grand-father/grand-ma now. Is like totally confuse after his gender change, whether he should date women or males. It causes all these stupid confusions.

Cite, please? I haven't seen this. All of the interviews that I have seen say that SHE is attracted to women.

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Now the poor guy got reassign below too and because he has enjoyed sex as a man all his life, obviously producing all these multiple kids, now he is more confuse than ever.

Because this whole pro-transgender thingy seem to be, "As long as you like female stuffs, You are meant to be female and should change into a female."

No, it means that you are uneducated.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 4/30/2017 9:14:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: Greta75

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ORIGINAL: DesFIP
No kid of mine will ever feel they have no where to turn and that it's better if they kill themselves. Since transgender children have a suicide rate ten times of cisgender, straight kids, of course I would talk to them openly.

Facebook now has 59 freaking gender identifies to choose from.

I think it's just getting out of hand.

The whole problem is, just because a boy like female stuffs, doesn't mean he HAS to be female.

The "kind of acceptance" is the wrong kind of acceptance.

I feel that, if a boy wants to wear a skirt and put on make up. Just let him explore.

I feel like this whole "changing into woman", is so that, as a boy, he wouldn't be looked at funny, so he is forced to gender change, because he feels maybe as a female, he could fit in better.

But it's ridiculous! Because there should be nothing wrong with a boy liking female stuffs, and a girl liking male stuffs.

I think rather than making people "accept transgender". That's the wrong direction.

How about telling a child first of all, that, there is NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU, if you are male and you like playing with dolls and wearing make up, and wearing dresses. Absolutely zero nothing wrong. You don't have to change into a woman just to fit in!

The suicide problem is simply because they feel like there is something wrong with them.

And the crazy thing is, people think the solution is gender change that is gonna 'save their lives". That is such a extreme and drastic solution.

Even Caitlyn as an adult grand-father/grand-ma now. Is like totally confuse after his gender change, whether he should date women or males. It causes all these stupid confusions.

There would be no confusion IF they embrace his love to dress like a woman, and yet he still likes dating female. And having sex as a male to female.

Now the poor guy got reassign below too and because he has enjoyed sex as a man all his life, obviously producing all these multiple kids, now he is more confuse than ever.

Because this whole pro-transgender thingy seem to be, "As long as you like female stuffs, You are meant to be female and should change into a female."

It appears that you are projecting too much of your shit onto other people. No one has to live their life based upon your expectations of what things 'should be'.

Who gives a fuck what some has been athlete, reality television personality does. Most of us do not. Many of us do not relate to that person's life or struggles. And most of us don't have the finances, to make the physical changes to reflect our inner, emotional person...........the way that person has. So to ME, it's rather tragic that anyone would use this person as any sort of example. It's just television and not real life.

The fact of the matter is that struggles with gender identity are real. What that is, for any given person, is not something anyone else gets to define. I don't care one iota about the gender of my loved ones. I care that they are happy and living a life that gives them joy and fulfillment.

But Bruce Jenner was an exemplar of masculinity in its most traditional and revered sense, an Olympic champion, married to wealth and fame, with children and a long time celebrity. There are aspects to his situation that did not cloud the coming out of Billy Jean King or Navratilova (whether they are transgendered or lesbian, IDK) Place all their stories up against all the politicized brohhaha of gendered toilet use in public schools and we have, as we used to say, a TEACHABLE MOMENT that we can use for public awareness and education.

So, the Bruce Jenner story is much more than just the story of only one celebrity's problems. There are salient social applications as well.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 4/30/2017 10:03:08 AM

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The topic, and question is a good one Greta. Your choice of example, not so much. Reality TV people seem so far from reality, their actions and words, as well as motivations are instinctually suspect. There seems little they won't do or say to remain relevant.

To answer your question, I personally would have needed an adjustment period. Only because I compartmentalize, and I'd have to do an entire mind makeover to connect the crossed wiring. Love, affection and respect would still be there. The rest of my family are hardcore religious, so I don't know how they would handle it. When my sister came to visit, she wasn't very subtle in asking about sleeping arrangements and eyed Kay's tattoos like they were transcripts from satanic script.

It is all an exercise in the hypothetical anyway, as both my parents are now deceased.

I see people as unfinished works of art, so I'm constantly having to remodel my mental compartments.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 4/30/2017 10:25:08 AM

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Actually, really decent parents bring their kids up to be honest, and lead by example. My son is coming up 23, and knows all about my lifestyle. He has done since he was 15. Earlier than I would have liked, but his Dad told him lies that I needed to correct. In return it means that my son is very honest with me too.

Same here, though my kids are a lot younger (10 and 9). They don't know what's going on in the bedrooms, but they know that my husband is the 'head of household' and that this means that Tess and I obey him when he makes a decision. There's no attempts to hide that, though we all place emphasis on the fact that the household is run this way because that's what we all want, and that other people have other ways of setting up their households and relationship (including situations where the woman is the head of household, and the man follows direction... so it's not like male leadership is taught as the only correct, or natural way).
Likewise they know Tess is our girlfriend, and that the 3 adults share 2 bedrooms, with various sleeping arrangements.

Their questions around these things are answered in an open, but age appropriate way.

If one of the adults would feel the need to transition at any point in life, the kids would have been aware of it YEARS prior to actual drastically changes taking place.

I agree that the problem here was the secrecy around the whole thing.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 4/30/2017 4:16:29 PM

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Transgender children are told every day that something is wrong with them. MtF kids are forced to use the boys bathroom where they are beaten and raped. If they go to the girls bathroom, parents who see them go in will enter and beat and bully them.
Telling them to go to the nurse's office means they will be late to the next class and penalized for that.

And then comes online bullying where children and adults tell them daily they should kill themselves. Changing schools doesn't help because the bullies will contact the new schoolmates and urge them to bully the child.

Police say it's just kids being kids, ignoring verbal, physical and sexual abuse.

The fact that Greta sees nothing wrong with this is th most damning thing she has ever said, and she's said some horrible things over the years.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 4/30/2017 7:44:59 PM

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...Sometimes chasing your own happiness means sacrificing your love ones happiness. And is he happy in the end? Losing most of his children. For what? Just to be able to wear make up, have boobs and wear a dress? And have his children lose the father figure they needed in their lives? I hope all that is worth it for him.
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First, I seriously need to stop skimming long posts. Second, my reading comprehension has gone to crap.

Finally, Greta,

No. It isn't about wearing makeup, dresses or having boobs. I won't speak for the transgender individuals, I'm not one. If she (you persisted on using a masculine pronoun in your post) lost so much, by revealing her truth and being herself, that is tragic. I'm not a fan of Caitlyn, reality TV actors or the reality tv culture. Personally, I tried not to be too harsh in my opinions of her being a bad representative of the transgender struggles. However, I think it sad that families get torn apart by such things.

No, it isn't about makeup or dresses or boobs. Being feminine is about so much more than window dressing. For someone who has been such a publicly masculine figure; presenting a feminine image might have appeared as if it was all about the window dressing but any woman knows, that feminine beauty has little to do with window dressing. The feminine is ...so very much more than make up or dresses or boobs.

You know that, Greta. I've read your posts where you've even stated you don't dress feminine and prefer to present as one of the guys.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 4/30/2017 8:13:23 PM

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Winsome...

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 4/30/2017 8:25:12 PM

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Winsome...

Have I told you lately that I love you?

Thank you, that was so very much appreciated.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 5/1/2017 1:26:31 AM

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Win, you are welcome.

I had another thought. Just something that crossed my mind.

Six steps from my computer, I have this picture of the four of us at an amusement park. The picture is fifteen years old. When I look at it now, I can certainly say it's not the best pic of me.

What if my kids thought that moment from my/our life was a lie? If they remembered happy things, but I wasn't what they thought I was?

If I were a transgendered individual, that's what we would have to deal with.

Going to say this one other thing...

The easiest way to get a grasp on whether or not a person is involved in their own kink community? It's their view on the trans* issue.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 5/1/2017 3:40:19 AM

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ORIGINAL: WinsomeDefianceThe feminine is ...so very much more than make up or dresses or boobs.

Then why do transgender need boobs and make up IF they think feminine is more than make up and boobs? The reality to me is, for example, if they prefer boys sexually, then they can be gay. Why do they need boobs? The reason why biological women need boobs is to produce milk for their babies. But why do male who wants to be female need boobs IF it's not the boobs that they are into having, the physical appearance of having a boob?

To me, it's clearly a very physical fixation thing. I don't know why drastic surgery is needed, unless it is that man's dream to be a female, then, okay, fine. It's his dream and his ambition to look like a female. So fine, go do it!

But with a child, if they start exhibiting female interests, like make up, wearing dresses, lingerie or playing with dolls. To me, that should not be taken as signs that, this kid is meant to be female. He could just happen to be a male who loves female things.

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You know that, Greta. I've read your posts where you've even stated you don't dress feminine and prefer to present as one of the guys.

Precisely, and you know what? I am one of those people in life who never succumb to peer pressure. I dress as a man ALL I like. And I will love boys things ALL I want. But I love to fuck men, not women. And I like having a vagina, do not crave to have a cock. Because I personally don't find cock attractive looking things. They feel good inside of me, but they do not look good ever to me. So I don't ever wanna own one of those on my body. I would gladly give away my boobs though, I think they are annoying, and in the way of everything, but I was blessed with Cup A and a Flat Chest. So no drastic measures needed there.

And I feel there is absolutely nothing wrong with my preferences. I hated wearing dresses. I hated dolls. I hated wearing jewellery. I hate make up. High heels. I don't feel the need to change into a male just because I hate almost all the normal things that women love.

THIS is what is needed when you have a son who loves girlie things. Don't tell him there is anything wrong with him and he NEEDS to be girl so that he can feel normal. Why can't what he likes and enjoys be normal, and what's uniquely him?

I never felt suicidal from it, because I have always been a strong unbendable personality. When all my friends smoke marijuana or took LSD, I was the only one who refused, in SPITE of lots of pressure and teasing about not taking it. Because I don't see the point of taking something that is unnecessary and harmful to my body. I prefer to destroy my body by eating something more pleasurable like chocolates and ice cream.

This is the way it should be.

I always believed in the concept of "Embrace your own individuality". We are all different, and not necessary we need to be drawn to love what's typical of our gender.

This means if a boy loves dolls. It doesn't mean he has to be a girl. There is nothing wrong in a boy who loves dolls. Alot of young boys like cute things! Like Pokemon! Maybe even My Little Pony! Dolls are cute! Can be Cute! Embrace his own individuality!

That's what I advocate.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 5/1/2017 4:00:56 AM

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Transgender children are told every day that something is wrong with them.

What is the "definition" of transgender children now?

A 3 yr old who loves dolls and wearing dresses? That's a transgender child?

So the problem is not teaching the kids who bully them that, there is nothing wrong in not liking gender specific things.

Nothing wrong with boys loving girlie stuffs. And girls loving boy stuffs.

That is what is wrong.

Changing their gender through artificial surgery is NOT the solution to this suicidal problem.

And the "word" transgender should stopped being used.

A boy who loves girl stuffs. Nothing wrong. Stop giving him shit about it! WE are all different and we all don't have to like similar things. That's how it should be marketed!

What's going on is, when a young child likes things not typical of his gender. Then people make him feel like there is something wrong wrong with a male liking female stuffs, which gives him ideas that he was born in the wrong body and all that bullshit and then gets depressed about it.

That needs to stop. This was psychologically fed to his brain since a kid that he is in the wrong body.

The other thing is, Bullies will bully ANY KID who is different. Try being an Albino kid in school. Watch the crazy bullying too, because that kid is different. They will use WHATEVER makes you different and USE IT AGAINST YOU.

The real solution is empower them with the power of individualism. Not being afraid to be different, and realise that, by not being a sheep follower. In the end, you are just building leadership skills in yourself. A leader has to dare to say, whatever he is, IS the way it is gonna be. It won't be like anybody else! Who wants to follow me?

Be your authentic self and don't worry about the other idiots who are too afraid not to fit in.

The wrong things are being taught to these "transgender" kids. They are taught that sex change surgery is the solution? That's ridiculous!

You can't change bullies, but Bullies goes after the weak. I feel like there has been no empowerment for these kids who are different. Even the ones trying to help them, are just teaching them to submit to the bullshit pressure with "horrors" of drastic surgery to solve their problems.

And of course psychologists will approve. As it's the same with girl with too small boobs, self-esteem being ruin because of it, psychologists will approve her breast enlargement.

So if these kids complain of being bullied for not loving things that are typical of their gender. Psychologists are gonna sympathize and approve the surgery. As of course their torment is real, because they are being tormented for being different.

Bullies torment the weak and the different.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 5/1/2017 6:05:12 AM

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I'm not transgender, so I can only empathize and hypothesize (sp?).

My entire life has been a series of seconds and minutes and days and years and all of them have been centered in the feminine. Maiden, mother, grandmother. Even as a country girl, riding bareback in the woods or diving off cliffs with the boys, or fishing or hunting or whatever. I never felt anything but feminine. Before boobs (they only really showed up when I first became pregnant,) I was skinny, awkward, all knees and elbows, but I still identified as female.

A transgender feels and identifies one way, but the body they were born in different. Wrong to them. If they had been born inside a body that matched their identity - they would have ended up with boobs (using the MtF example here.) their bodies would fit.

Take how you feel about a penis, your strong feelings of them and then imagine having one. You aren't gay. You like men, but you have a penis. How do you reconcile knowing you are female, love having sex. Want and maybe even need to feel the masculine energy inside you. But, you have a penis.

Try to set aside snark, and deflection and strong opinions and simply consider How this might feel. How you might go about needing to correct what you felt so strongly about.

Now consider being young and feeling trapped in a body that is growing separately from your identity. Imagine watching others who are growing into their identities and how they present that feminine image.

Boobs appear, curves. Features soften. A transgender watches other people's bodies transforming into who they feel they should be; except, their voices are deepening, testicles dropping, shoulders widening.

Now, if that was you. How would you go about "feeling" feminine AND presenting feminine.

Then stop. Think. Remember, it is not you. You aren't transgender. So, you can't really know what you would do. You haven't had those experiences. So, however someone chooses to go about fixing what deeply feels wrong about themselves, is their business.

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RE: If your mom or dad chose to transition into an oppo... - 5/1/2017 6:21:53 AM

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Great post!

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