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Long-Term Slaves - 12/7/2004 3:38:10 PM

anthrosub

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There are a few profiles here where the Domme is seeking a slave. By "slave" i mean someone who will consensually give up all their rights and devote themselves totally to their Owner. i admit i find this possibility attractive in its own right but always end up wondering what would happen in the long-term, so i thought i would pose the question here.

If i were to surrender my life to one of slavery, how would my life be taken care of in terms of old age, retirement, and so forth? This is a big question with lots of details but i thought maybe there might be a Domme here that has such a situation and would care to give some insight. Keep in mind, i'm not talking about the slave in question being Your husband because that solves a lot of issues right away. i'm talking about becomeing the slave to a Domme who might have several or is already married.

i might add that the profiles i've seen have been active for years (here and on other BDSM sites as well). This suggests that there are very few slave/subs who would render themselves to such a situation or perhaps that the long term issues have not been properly addressed. Your response would be appreciated.

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RE: Long-Term Slaves - 12/8/2004 8:45:06 AM

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This is a very good question. I don't have all the answers. However, this is what I feel is part of the Master/slave relationship.

As part of a 24/7 relationship, I expect to have control over the finances of the household. I pay the bills, I manage the accounts, I make the decisions (but I do not have a problem listening to slaves who are more adept at finances than I. They will learn to present ideas to me respectfully!). Thus, I would expect to be named on all accounts. This includes assets AND debts. I do not expect the slave to hand over their entire paycheck for me to put into my account. They will have their own accounts, but I will have access and manage them, giving them an allowance and such. But, this doesn’t address your question of long-term financial care.

If I am not married to the slave, I would expect them to work outside the home, or own a business. They must have a job that:

1) Has retirement benefits. I would direct their investments. A minimum of 10% of their pay will go into that fund (this is above whatever the employer will contribute for them.)

2) Provides health care benefits. Dental and vision would be nice as well. This is especially true if they have children.

In addition, I would direct short term savings (a simple savings account) and longer term savings (temporary investments, but not like a 401k).

If the job did not offer life insurance, I would make sure this happens. Two policies, if at all possible, would be taken out, one for me and one for his or her children. The funeral expenses would come out of mine.

A Will would be drawn up, stating what he or she wished to do with their estate upon their death (no, it doesn’t automatically all go to me). Specific funeral arrangements would be stated (these can vary from religion to religion). Also, items like a Living Will and such would be drawn up.

I would be named the executor of his or her estate. This is to make sure that his or her family receives all that is due them. Especially for his or her children…if they are young, we could direct, in his or her will, that the life insurance they receive be put into a college or trust fund. I would probably keep all the lifestyle related items, unless it is specified otherwise in the will.

If the 24/7 is clearly going to be for a lifetime, I would expect to care for him or her as I would any member of my family. If this means being named Legal Guardian or given Power of Attorney at some point, this will be done.

All of the above will be done in the spirit of providing what’s best for the slave, not as a way for me to pervert the finances of the relationship..

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RE: Long-Term Slaves - 12/9/2004 1:13:19 AM

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do You think that the Dominant stays young for ever anthro?

The issues you question are simply the natural order of things
and every human being Ive met to date has to contend with
such issues sooner or later. Regardless if a soul is 20 or 80
consensual slavery is the same and when a person reaches
a age where their lifes are limited so to becomes their service.
[Thinks about dread and takes a breath to answer this as easy
as possible]
taking on the responcibilities of another person for both persons
benifit is just that and the concept is that a lifelong commitment
holds. There is a differance in those people whom take on
lifetime contracts and those whom only take year to year contracts
and then when a slave is to old or not in perfect shape throw
the posession away. And do not think this is not a reality for it is
all to well and one I personally do not believe in and it is why I
probabaly Own more slaves over the age of 50 then Ten Dominants.
A lifetyme commitment to Me is just that and once a slave has
commited thru time and contract this value to Me and has given
their lifes essance to Me it is My honor and duty to tend to such
and I would hold tightly onto such untill they no longer live in this
earth. With age simply comes differing chores, differing ways a
slave commits to the household, different health issues that are
addressed as they come. Its the same for the Dominant as well
and any Dom/me worth Their weight would have plans in place
to care for ALL with in Their Home and Hands with the investment
of the whole as Fire stated. My situation is unique because My Lifestyle
is intergenerational with in My Family and if something were to happen
to Me My Children would step up and run My Household in the same manner
I do having allready in place these directives for the safety of My posessions
and they would or could draw on the elders still living with in My family as
well in the direction of Our Estates. [[Its a Family Afairrrrrrr~]] JMO

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RE: Long-Term Slaves - 12/9/2004 4:38:34 AM

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First I must compliment Mistresses Dread & Fire on their awesome responses. It is too easy to get caught up in the romanticism of enslaving another when health and life is good and the focus is on our immediate futures.

Fire your succinctly outlined financial & retirement planning is greatly appreciated and I'm filing this thread away for future reference.

And Dread (hey ya

) the points you raised in turn raise a lot of questions for Me...how does the ageing slave feel? (understanding changing needs/tasks etc) but do they struggle mentally/emotionally with losing their ability to be of service like they once were? How do you deal with it? How do you keep them feeling they are of service when their body and mind keeps telling them differently? I suppose it could simply be a coming to terms with the ageing process fullstop, but have often wondered just how the ageing slave feels on the inside?

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RE: Long-Term Slaves - 12/9/2004 4:41:12 AM

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Ps how the heck do I get My picture to go over there <<---------------------------

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RE: Long-Term Slaves - 12/9/2004 8:17:03 AM

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RE: Long-Term Slaves - 12/11/2004 3:52:15 PM

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Why is it that so many subs\slaves put forth the impression that they are ready for lifetime slavery is also a good question. I have had COUNTLESS emails from those that claim they seek complete and total slavery, even to the point of disappearing, which isnt what I have in my profile. So when those that email me are replied to they are never heard from again. Quite irritating it is, I do seek a ltr and by both of the previous ladies posts tend to deal with my slaves the same way. I have nearly 99% doubts with those under the age of 30 claiming that they want to be enslaved. I would expect for them to realize this within themselves before contacting me, but it never fails. If they do not have the heart to reply, or admit that they were wrong they should not be here. I have in turn taken the necessary time to make sure that I find someone well into the lifestyle enough to know that if they run away from first contact one will never know how their life would turn out. No one seems to get past the computer.. I am always asked 'how would life be as your slave' and I tell them, experience is the only way to know. There is no possible way I can sit here and tell you exactly everything that will happen, cause I can not see the future. Besides that, it truly isnt meant for one to know beforehand. You have to live thru it to know what it will actually be like, no matter what I tell you, it can all change without either party knowing. The first step is making a rt connection, if all that you get is emails, then somebody doesnt want to make the next move, cause things change once face to face. And in turn, things change with time, not only do we have to take into account the possible passing of the slave, but us as well. Who is to say that the slave will go first. But just as friendships can last a lifetime so can the Ds relationship.

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RE: Long-Term Slaves - 12/14/2004 9:16:46 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: MyztressDestiny

Why is it that so many subs\slaves put forth the impression that they are ready for lifetime slavery is also a good question. I have had COUNTLESS emails from those that claim they seek complete and total slavery, even to the point of disappearing, which isnt what I have in my profile. So when those that email me are replied to they are never heard from again. Quite irritating it is, I do seek a ltr and by both of the previous ladies posts tend to deal with my slaves the same way. I have nearly 99% doubts with those under the age of 30 claiming that they want to be enslaved. I would expect for them to realize this within themselves before contacting me, but it never fails. If they do not have the heart to reply, or admit that they were wrong they should not be here. I have in turn taken the necessary time to make sure that I find someone well into the lifestyle enough to know that if they run away from first contact one will never know how their life would turn out. No one seems to get past the computer.. I am always asked 'how would life be as your slave' and I tell them, experience is the only way to know. There is no possible way I can sit here and tell you exactly everything that will happen, cause I can not see the future. Besides that, it truly isnt meant for one to know beforehand. You have to live thru it to know what it will actually be like, no matter what I tell you, it can all change without either party knowing. The first step is making a rt connection, if all that you get is emails, then somebody doesnt want to make the next move, cause things change once face to face. And in turn, things change with time, not only do we have to take into account the possible passing of the slave, but us as well. Who is to say that the slave will go first. But just as friendships can last a lifetime so can the Ds relationship.

It all comes down to compatability, doesn't it? Yes, we can give potential partners a glimpse of who we are and who we have been in the past. Can we with any certainty predict the future? I would never in a million years have predicted I would be #1 in a live-in boywife situation #2 Be with someone who embraced so fully the little girl in me #3 Be interested in S/m that wasn't always reciprocal. And yet I find myself more fulfilled by these things in my relationship with my Domme than I ever have in my life.

I can't even guarantee that a particular kind of play will work between myself and another person. As a blanket statement, I can state that I love spanking. I love being spanked by my Domme, and have enjoyed it in past relationships. Could I guarantee, based on these things, that a new relationship with an enthusiastic spanker would work? No. I can't even guarantee that I would enjoy a spanking from said person, and this is not a reflection of their skill or lack thereof. It comes down to how you click with another.

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RE: Long-Term Slaves - 12/14/2004 9:28:38 PM

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If i were to surrender my life to one of slavery, how would my life be taken care of in terms of old age, retirement, and so forth? This is a big question with lots of details but i thought maybe there might be a Domme here that has such a situation and would care to give some insight. Keep in mind, i'm not talking about the slave in question being Your husband because that solves a lot of issues right away. i'm talking about becomeing the slave to a Domme who might have several or is already married.

This is an important question to ask. Being bi, polyamoury is not out of the question and I have at least entertained that idea and how I would handle it. This is still pretty hypothetical, but the most important thing in my household would be making sure that no one came up short. And with three incomes, that really gives a solid base for future concerns like retirement.

Wise financial planning now would make for far fewer worries then. The answer though is that whether I had 1 or 101 (hah!) no one should be left wanting. My responsibility as the Domme is to make sure that everyone is cared for, and there are no shortages.

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