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KenDckey -> Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (4/30/2017 11:17:03 AM)
From the University of Oslo https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2911451 quote: Abstract We examine patterns of labor market integration across immigrant groups. The study draws on Norwegian longitudinal administrative data covering labor earnings and social insurance claims over a 25‐year period and presents a comprehensive picture of immigrant‐native employment and social insurance differentials by admission class and by years since entry. For refugees and family immigrants from low‐income source countries, we uncover encouraging signs of labor market integration during an initial period upon admission, but after just 5‐10 years, the integration process goes into reverse with widening immigrant-native employment differentials and rising rates of immigrant social insurance dependency. Yet, the analysis reveals substantial heterogeneity within admission class and points to an important role of host‐country schooling for successful immigrant labor market integration. Thought you might be interested in debating this one. Me, I am happy with legal immigration, not just sneaking across the border. That shows no respect for the host country laws.

KenDckey -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (4/30/2017 11:29:20 AM)
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-datadive-canada-idUSKBN16R174?null&sr_source=lift_facebook Some information on Canadian views from Reuiters.

thompsonx -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (4/30/2017 12:40:41 PM)
ORIGINAL: KenDckey Me, I am happy with legal immigration, not just sneaking across the border. That shows no respect for the host country laws. Your bigotry is showing again ken. Sneaking across the border is a misdemeanor. Employing those who sneak across the border is a felony. Why is it that you focus on the misdemeanor by the dark skinned person and totally ignore the felony of the not dark skinned person. Yes tell us again how you are married to one who is dark skinned that makes your bigotry all good cuz you can't be a bigot because blah blah blah. Give it a rest ken it is getting tedious.

KenDckey -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (4/30/2017 2:14:30 PM)
Both should be held to account for their law violations. Because we don't like a law, doesn't allow us to violate it. Not sure how that is bigotry. Law's should be enforced. Selective enforcement is just bad. Total enforcement is good business. There are tons of laws that I disagree with, but I still try to follow them. We all should. There are consequences in life. And I didn't say anything about skin color. Just law. Where someone comes from isn't material. Following the law is.

bounty44 -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (4/30/2017 3:16:21 PM)
ken, I trust you know this but its still worth saying it, the only thing "tedious" here is the troll's inability to be decent or to even try to understand the point of view of someone with whom he disagrees without it being a moral character flaw in that person of course he knows whats in your heart better than you do! I mean, c'mon, what were you thinking??

thompsonx -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (4/30/2017 4:11:22 PM)
ORIGINAL: KenDckey Both should be held to account for their law violations. Yet you only carp about the misdemeanor and never about the felony...why is that? Not sure how that is bigotry. Don't act stupid. White people commit the felony brown people commit the misdemeanor you only complain about the misdemeanors and never the felonies. Selective enforcement is just bad. Yet that is exactly what you are pimping. Now that is more than a little two faced.

thompsonx -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (4/30/2017 4:15:40 PM)
ORIGINAL: bounty44 ken, I trust you know this but its still worth saying it, the only thing "tedious" here is the troll's inability to be decent or to even try to understand the point of view of someone with whom he disagrees without it being a moral character flaw in that person Another bigot opens his mouth in support of bigotry. of course he knows whats in your heart better than you do! I comment on what is in his post only you are commenting on what is in his heart. I mean, c'mon, what were you thinking?? It was pretty clear that he was thinking he could post up his insipid bigotry and not have me comment on it. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

bounty44 -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (4/30/2017 4:23:58 PM)
The Sad Truths of Internet Trolls: 1. Serious trolls are immune to criticism and logical arguments. True trolls cannot be reasoned with, regardless of how sound your logical argument is. 2. Serious trolls do not feel remorse like you and me. They have sociopathic tendencies, and accordingly, they delight in other people having hurt feelings. 3. Trolls, in general, consider themselves separate from the social order. 4. Trolls do not abide by etiquette or the rules of common courtesy. 5. Trolls consider themselves above social responsibility. 6. Trolls gain energy by you insulting them. 7. Trolls gain energy when you get angry. 8. The only way to deal with an online troll is to ignore him, or take away his ability to post online. Why Do People Enjoy Being Internet Trolls? Ans: it is a kind of power rush or ego trip to be a troll. Being online is a place that is largely free of perceived consequences... an insecure person can get a sense of power online, without ever having to face someone directly. With the Internet being a world of imagination and fantasy for some, cowardly users can forge an alter ego for themselves, and act out their feelings of anger and inadequacy. It's sad and unfortunate that our advanced communications also brings out the darker side of many people. https://www.lifewire.com/what-is-an-internet-troll-2483704

thompsonx -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (4/30/2017 4:31:13 PM)
Life is soooo unfair. Our special lil snowflake needs a safe space so that no one will trigger his fears Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

vincentML -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (4/30/2017 4:34:39 PM)
Ken . . . . I respect your attempt to shed some positive information regarding immigration assimilation, but I am left somewhat confused mostly, I think, because of holes in the data that leave me questioning the conclusions. In Norway, the conclusion is that the education system is playing a helpful role but I don't see any data to justify that. Why the drop off in job success after fifteen years among immigrants? Is that because the second generation has not been present long enough to benefit from the full term of schooling? The Canadian data is hard pressed to show any trends. The Canadian concern by country of citizenship are not compatible with those of US citizens. How do you explain worry over Nigeria and Hungary, for example? And what explains the fall from in 2013 to 2011, when worry worry was cut in half? Look at the data from the United States! According to Pew Research the population of illegals leveled off from 2009 to 2013 to an average of about 11.5 million. I heard Mr. Trump take credit for the sudden decline during the Recession in his speech in Pennsylvania last night. I wonder how he achieved that? Quite remarkable, I think. So, the percentage of illegals in our workforce has steadied at about 8.1% while the unemployment rate fell from about 10% to 4.7%. In six states the number of illegals increased to nearly 60%: Louisiana, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Washington. I can see why we really, really need that wall along the borders of California, New Mexico, Arizona, and Texas. Wow, that will help a bunch! [8\|] Can you help me understand? I am confused.

thompsonx -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (4/30/2017 4:49:51 PM)
ORIGINAL: vincentML Can you help me understand? I am confused. No you are not...you are just being mean to bigots.[:D]

KenDckey -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (4/30/2017 9:27:32 PM)
Vincent I intentionally did not attempt to intrepret the study. I know lots here like studies and thought it might be an interesting topic to discuss. As for the rest, my only real concern is in following the law. If they decided that every person that reaches our shorres and changed the law to reflect it, then that is the law. If they decided to change the law and open our borders to all comers, then so be it. But until they do, then I believe that all of us should follow the law and not pick and choose which laws we are to obey. I disagree with many laws, doesn't mean that I don't follow them. in once place it was agasinst the law to change a tire or check the oil on your property. The fool that wrote that left out that I could go out into the street and do it legally. That is what I did. I obeyed the law, regardless of how stupid I thought it was. BTW that was eventually repealed. I learned in the late 60's that one of the best ways to change a law (in this ccase a military regulation) was to enforce it to the letter. The base commander required all males to be in a suit and all females to be in a dress off duty. Took less than 12 hours to get it repealed. They issued every ticket on base in that time (including those in storage). Some babies got several Those at the pool caught hell. The MPs even went into the showers to give tickets out. lol No one complained because they issued so many. This was in Africa. Enforcement, and the pressure to change stupid ones is in my opinion the solution.

vincentML -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (5/1/2017 7:45:57 AM)
So, Ken, your main topic is "following the law." I really can't agree with your conclusion on that. A wise man once said... "If a law is so terribly unjust one has a moral duty to disobey that law or to physically protest against it non-violently in some form or another. And we need to be prepared to pay the price of protest." ------ Dr. Martin Luther King jr I put that statement in quotations but I really don't know that Dr. King said any such thing. I think he would have said it. I believe that would have been his position. But, I don't really know. Laws are written by men and women in assembly, and in assemblies men and women are often dim witted followers, or motivated by other issues besides stupidity, like greed or racism, for example. My point is that the moral consequences of a law need to be examined before obedience is accepted. So, we disagree ???

Baldrick -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (5/1/2017 7:49:38 AM)
Most of the immigrants trying to come to Canada are applying for asylum... but seeing as they already applied in the US they aren't getting much sympathy here http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-canada-courts-insight-idUSKBN17T1C6

WickedsDesire -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (5/1/2017 7:51:21 AM)
heh howlingdogsbreath44 and kentuckyfrieddik- hello And how is the American immigrant problem in America anyway - i am of the belief it stands about 350 million

KenDckey -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (5/1/2017 9:02:15 AM)
Vincent I have absolutely no issue with protesting a law. As long as that protest is non-violent and doesn't step on the rights of others. In that respect I tthink we can agree for sure. I've done it myself. But I didn't beat anyone up, didn't burn anything down. Didn't throw any bricks or rocks. Just took my sign and walked up and down the sidewalk.

thompsonx -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (5/1/2017 12:18:12 PM)
ORIGINAL: KenDckey I have absolutely no issue with protesting a law. As long as that protest is non-violent and doesn't step on the rights of others. In that respect I tthink we can agree for sure. I've done it myself. But I didn't beat anyone up, didn't burn anything down. Didn't throw any bricks or rocks. Just took my sign and walked up and down the sidewalk. The non white people you seem to despise so much, what have they done that is violent???taken the sub minimum wage job you wanted so badly?

vincentML -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (5/1/2017 12:45:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Baldrick Most of the immigrants trying to come to Canada are applying for asylum... but seeing as they already applied in the US they aren't getting much sympathy here http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-canada-courts-insight-idUSKBN17T1C6 I could understand that if the applicants were deemed to be security risks but what if the US simply said, "ah, no, we have a new president who wants to look like a tough guy. Sorry. Go away." So, Canada feels double rejection is okay? shrugs

vincentML -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (5/1/2017 1:04:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KenDckey Vincent I have absolutely no issue with protesting a law. As long as that protest is non-violent and doesn't step on the rights of others. In that respect I tthink we can agree for sure. I've done it myself. But I didn't beat anyone up, didn't burn anything down. Didn't throw any bricks or rocks. Just took my sign and walked up and down the sidewalk. Ken, I did specify "non-violent" so we agree on that right? But, what do you mean by "stepping on the rights of other?" Violence would be covered by state laws. Most states do not allow burning things down or beating people up. And Dr. King preached "non-violent protest." When you use the words like you just used, I believe you are painting images of black riots that were not sanctioned by Dr. King. In the US the only rights we have are those protected against Federal actions and those granted by state laws. Some states are in the process of passing laws granting immunity to drivers who collide with pedestrian protestors. Do you support the right of drivers to have free access to the highways even if they have to run over protestors???? I would think not. Right? So, what rights are so precious that are not protected by state law?

KenDckey -> RE: Immigrant Labor Market Integration Across Admission Classes (5/1/2017 5:18:22 PM)
Vincent Iview blocking the highway, where you are trapped and can't go a different route as illeggal detention. Threats of violence are assault. and so on. I have a hard time listening to someone who do those things. Doesn't matter which side of the political spectrum they are on.

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