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jlf1961 -> Are you kidding me? (5/1/2017 7:23:34 PM)

Alright, I have gotten used to seeing or hearing some really stupid shit come out of the mouths of politicians, however, this weekend President Trump took the cake with the most moronic stupid statements to date, beating the infamous "Read my lips...." of Bush sr.

Read about it here...



The most blatently stupid crap out of his mouth involved President Jackson being upset about what he saw happening to the country during the civil war.

Neat trick, considering that Jackson died in 1845 and the civil war started in 1861.

Then there was his questions about why there was a civil war in the first place...

Seriously?

With at least 15000 books and essays on the subject, not to mention whole college level history courses centered on the causes leading up to the civil war, how can he even ask "why?"

If the man honestly cannot answer that simple question about a period of American History that has affected the last 120 plus years since it ended, he does not need to be president, and honestly really needs to go back to school.

It does not help that the white house library (unless things have changed dramatically) had at least 200 books dealing with the civil war including the Federalist Papers and Shelby Foote's trilogy about the civil war itself as well as his books dealing with the causes (legislative failures) that could have prevented the war, not to mention Jefferson's own essays on the problems of slavery and his attempt to eliminate the institution in his original draft of the Declaration of Independence.




heavyblinker -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/1/2017 7:37:53 PM)

Yes, but Hillary.




thompsonx -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/1/2017 7:41:41 PM)


ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Yes, but Hillary.


Andy would have boinked her....he was partial to the plump ones.[:D]




stef -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/1/2017 8:02:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

Yes, but Hillary.

Here you go.

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heavyblinker -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/1/2017 11:48:53 PM)

THE DEMOCRATS LOST THE ELECTION!




epiphiny43 -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/2/2017 12:00:34 AM)

No, the Dems won the election, by several million votes, but lost the Electoral College. Republicans have been using gerrymandering far better the last generation or so to capture state governor and legislatures to set up control of the Senate and House. Dems got lost in the 'Big Picture', trying to actually get the govt. working and headed in the right direction, and took their eyes off the essential work of local corruption, where all the real base of change, or not, happens.




Kirata -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/2/2017 12:18:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The most blatently stupid crap out of his mouth involved President Jackson being upset about what he saw happening to the country during the civil war. Neat trick, considering that Jackson died in 1845 and the civil war started in 1861.

Who's kidding who here? Are you illiterate or something?

I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later, you wouldn't have had the Civil War.

He was obviously referring to Jackson's feelings about what he saw coming.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Then there was his questions about why there was a civil war in the first place...

Let me guess. It's settled science?

K.





MrRodgers -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/2/2017 12:40:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The most blatently stupid crap out of his mouth involved President Jackson being upset about what he saw happening to the country during the civil war. Neat trick, considering that Jackson died in 1845 and the civil war started in 1861.

Who's kidding who here? Are you illiterate or something?

I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later, you wouldn't have had the Civil War.

He was obviously referring to Jackson's feelings about what he saw coming.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Then there was his questions about why there was a civil war in the first place...

Let me guess. It's settled science?

K.



The best you could possibly say about Trump is that he is very much even ignorantly, inarticulate. That's the best possible leave of his comments. He was in fact referring to Jackson's thoughts in the present tense meaning what was to have been going on...at the time and confirms this error with no clarification at all as what Jackson was doing or was going to do about any future civil war.

Plus, all one can even reasonably argue is that there might not have been a civil war during a later term say oh 15 years after Jackson died if only because there was no civil war by 1845 when he actually died and also almost assuredly because Jackson was from Tenn. and was a very staunch, wealthy and active slave holder.

So Trump is in fact the ignorant, pompous ass so many think he is and proves it almost every time he opens his mouth. And oh Jlf and I are not kidding you.




jlf1961 -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/2/2017 2:18:13 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata


quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The most blatently stupid crap out of his mouth involved President Jackson being upset about what he saw happening to the country during the civil war. Neat trick, considering that Jackson died in 1845 and the civil war started in 1861.

Who's kidding who here? Are you illiterate or something?

I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later, you wouldn't have had the Civil War.

He was obviously referring to Jackson's feelings about what he saw coming.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Then there was his questions about why there was a civil war in the first place...

Let me guess. It's settled science?

K.





No, he wasnt, his choice of words indicates that he thought Jackson was still alive a the time of the war.

As for settled science, history is not a science, never has been. I am surprised, considering your remarks concerning history and historic events, you would even make such a statement.

Of course, President Trump erected a memorial marker to a civil war battle.... that never fucking happened.





Kirata -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/2/2017 2:54:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
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ORIGINAL: Kirata
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

The most blatently stupid crap out of his mouth involved President Jackson being upset about what he saw happening to the country during the civil war. Neat trick, considering that Jackson died in 1845 and the civil war started in 1861.

Who's kidding who here? Are you illiterate or something?

I mean, had Andrew Jackson been a little later, you wouldn't have had the Civil War.

He was obviously referring to Jackson's feelings about what he saw coming.

No, he wasnt, his choice of words indicates that he thought Jackson was still alive a the time of the war.

If you choose to ignore that highlighted phrase in order to shoehorn onto "he saw what was happening" the meaning that Trump thought Jackson was still alive during the war, that's on you. But you might want to notice that Trump says "what was happening with regard to the Civil War," not "what was happening during the Civil War." Even granting some room for interpretation, yours is still a stretch. Taken in context, I would have to interpret that as Jackson seeing what was happening during the lead up to the war, consistent with him not having been "a little later" in history.

K.




thompsonx -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/2/2017 3:11:18 AM)

ORIGINAL: Kirata


Let me guess. It's settled science?

K.

Pretty much. All any literate person need do is read the documents of secession. They are pretty specific as to the reasons they were leaving. There was a thread on here concerning that very thing.




jlf1961 -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/2/2017 5:47:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Kirata



If you choose to ignore that highlighted phrase in order to shoehorn onto "he saw what was happening" the meaning that Trump thought Jackson was still alive during the war, that's on you. But you might want to notice that Trump says "what was happening with regard to the Civil War," not "what was happening during the Civil War." Even granting some room for interpretation, yours is still a stretch. Taken in context, I would have to interpret that as Jackson seeing what was happening during the lead up to the war, consistent with him not having been "a little later" in history.

K.



Okay, if that is what he meant, then he was still as wrong as possible.

Look at Andrew Jackson:

1) Staunch slave owner who fought every effort to limit slavery in the United States, up to and including every compromise, and was against the ban of importing new slaves.

2) He openly defied a Supreme Court Ruling that stated the Indian Relocation Act of 1830 was unconstitutional and the forced removal of Indians from the South Eastern United States was therefore illegal, thus was directly responsible for the trail of tears that lead to the death of untold thousands of Cherokee, Creek, Chickasaw indians.
Even to the point of refusing to hear the pleas on behalf of the Cherokee people by Chief Junaluska, the man that saved his life during the Creek wars.

Chief Junaluska said after that meeting that had he known how badly Jackson would betray the people that fought and died at his side at the battle of the horseshoe, he would have allowed him to be killed or killed him himself.

Hundreds of Cherokee from Eastern Tennessee and Western North Carolina died serving that man, and more died after he betrayed as a reward for answering his call for help.

The trail of tears puts him easily in the class of great political leaders as Adolf Hitler.

I suggest, K, that for your own education, that you read the accounts of the suffering of the people forced to leave their homes at the point of a sword, and try to understand the simple fact that even after the Supreme court ruled the act unconstitutional, and even with Jackson's promises of fair compensation and care during the journey, that these people were not even fed starvation rations, that many died of exposure, starvation or were simply murdered by US soldiers for not being able to keep up with the groups.

This is not a man that would have done a fucking thing to prevent the civil war by abolishing one of the primary causes of the war.

For Donald Trump to even suggest as much shows an ignorance of Jackson as a politician or his place in history.

Do you really expect such a political leader to have actually done a damn thing to prevent the deadliest war in US history?

While the slavery issue is being whitewashed in states like Virginia, Tennessee and Texas, the trail of tears barely merited a page in school history books thirty years ago, and in today's revisionist versions adopted barely gets a couple of paragraphs.

The trail of tears set the stage for the treatment of Native Americans for the next 150 years.

For anyone to believe otherwise shows an almost undefinable amount of ignorance of the man or his philosophies.







WhoreMods -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/2/2017 5:59:53 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

For Donald Trump to even suggest as much shows an ignorance of Jackson as a politician or his place in history.



The ignorance of a man who argues that the main reason he can't carry out his election promises is because that constitution thing isn't up to date with the current times?
(Can you imagine the shitfit some of the rightards in here would be throwing if a Democrat had said that? But the tango fuhrer gets a free pass for that one...)




WickedsDesire -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/2/2017 6:12:13 AM)

So jlf1961 in essence you are saying the insane satsuma is a fuking idiot - bit harsh on idiots eh!

Maybe he was watching bill and ted or something rather than attending Trump Embezzlement University

Trump settles Trump University lawsuits for $25m

Donald Trump has settled three Trump University lawsuits for $25m (£20m), the New York Attorney General has said.

The US president-elect was being sued by former students who paid $35,000 (£28,000) for real estate "secrets" from his "hand-picked" instructors.

Mr Trump had repeatedly said he would not settle the class-action lawsuits.

Attorney General Eric Schneiderman said in a statement: "Today's $25 million settlement agreement is a stunning reversal by Donald Trump and a major victory for the over 6,000 victims of his fraudulent university.

He called Trump University a "fraud from beginning to end" in July, adding that the organisation used "false promises to prey on desperate people".
guffaws




Lucylastic -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/2/2017 6:30:22 AM)

The man(scrotus) is a [image]http://i.imgur.com/my2FQZH.jpg[/image]
If anyone on this forum displayed such ignorance, (ok there are those who channel him) they would be laughed off the forum.






WickedsDesire -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/2/2017 6:49:40 AM)

hmm I only found this out just now- While Mr Trump has asserted it was “ultimately” the luck of a high draft lottery number that kept him out of the war, his Selective Service records "suggest otherwise", The New York Times reported.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us/politics/donald-trump-draft-record.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=1

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Hillwilliam -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/2/2017 7:04:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

For Donald Trump to even suggest as much shows an ignorance of Jackson as a politician or his place in history.



The ignorance of a man who argues that the main reason he can't carry out his election promises is because that constitution thing isn't up to date with the current times?
(Can you imagine the shitfit some of the rightards in here would be throwing if a Democrat had said that? But the tango fuhrer gets a free pass for that one...)

I began a thread on that and he is being defended at length.




WhoreMods -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/2/2017 7:05:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
If anyone on this forum displayed such ignorance, (ok there are those who channel him) they would be laughed off the forum.

If it was that simple, certain shitsacks and trolls wouldn't still be stinking the forum up like a fart in a lift, would they?




WhoreMods -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/2/2017 7:07:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

For Donald Trump to even suggest as much shows an ignorance of Jackson as a politician or his place in history.



The ignorance of a man who argues that the main reason he can't carry out his election promises is because that constitution thing isn't up to date with the current times?
(Can you imagine the shitfit some of the rightards in here would be throwing if a Democrat had said that? But the tango fuhrer gets a free pass for that one...)

I began a thread on that and he is being defended at length.

That's depressing. Have they even acknowledged the double standard they're resorting to or are they all: "but Hilary!" "But Obama!" "But...!"




Kirata -> RE: Are you kidding me? (5/2/2017 7:16:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I suggest, K, that for your own education, that you read the accounts of the suffering...

This is not a man that would have done a fucking thing to prevent the civil war by abolishing one of the primary causes of the war.

Spare me the mind-reading act. I know the history of the Trail of Tears. But the personality of the Founder of the Democratic Party wasn't the subject under contention. Moreover, Trump was right at least insofar as Jackson wanting sectional peace, and also right in daring to think that such an incredibly destructive war might have been avoided.

Could Slavery Have Ended Without the Civil War?

K.




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