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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/2/2017 7:22:23 PM   
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it always amazes me, how many rounds they get out of the mags.
mine ONLY holds 17.
REALLY.


You only need one to kill someone...If you need 17 perhaps you should consider not pissing off so many people at one time.

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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/2/2017 7:32:16 PM   
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that thread isnt about banning knives lucy, which is my point.

Your link isn't about knives either.
The headline reads: FIGHT AGAINST TERROR

And knives still aren't new news - they've already been banned here a long time ago.
That has been brought up several times in gun threads.


So knife bans don't work either.

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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/2/2017 7:36:54 PM   
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So knife bans don't work either.


You really are stupid. No one has said that gun bans or knife bans work. Laws against murder do not prevent murder. Laws against stealing do not prevent theft.
The law simply allows society to lock up the perpetrators so they cannot continue their illegal behavior.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/2/2017 7:44:54 PM   
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that thread isnt about banning knives lucy, which is my point.

Your link isn't about knives either.
The headline reads: FIGHT AGAINST TERROR

And knives still aren't new news - they've already been banned here a long time ago.
That has been brought up several times in gun threads.


So knife bans don't work either.

Count the bodies, Bama.

Death by guns in a gun society Vs death by knives in a non-gun society.

Count the number of mass murders too.
How many have you (the US) had compared to Canada, Australia, UK, or anywhere in Europe for that matter.
More than the rest of us put together.


Speeding restrictions don't stop people speeding.
The notion that a restrictive law or a ban would eradicate a particular issue is plain stupid and ignorant.
But it does make people think more and the numbers are a lot less.


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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/2/2017 8:03:41 PM   
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that thread isnt about banning knives lucy, which is my point.

Your link isn't about knives either.
The headline reads: FIGHT AGAINST TERROR

And knives still aren't new news - they've already been banned here a long time ago.
That has been brought up several times in gun threads.


Wait. Knives are banned too?
Do Chefs need a special permit?
I'm looking around my room and I have a Bowie knife, a couple throwing knives and a camp hatchet in my backpacks hanging on my closet hooks. The weather changed and I haven't felt like dealing with all the camp gear. Anyway, so it is illegal in the UK to carry a knife?

I'm suffering culture shock, right here in my room snuggled under my blankets.

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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/2/2017 8:41:22 PM   
BamaD


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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that thread isnt about banning knives lucy, which is my point.

Your link isn't about knives either.
The headline reads: FIGHT AGAINST TERROR

And knives still aren't new news - they've already been banned here a long time ago.
That has been brought up several times in gun threads.


So knife bans don't work either.

Count the bodies, Bama.

Death by guns in a gun society Vs death by knives in a non-gun society.

Count the number of mass murders too.
How many have you (the US) had compared to Canada, Australia, UK, or anywhere in Europe for that matter.
More than the rest of us put together.


Speeding restrictions don't stop people speeding.
The notion that a restrictive law or a ban would eradicate a particular issue is plain stupid and ignorant.
But it does make people think more and the numbers are a lot less.


I was just attacked for thinking anyone claimed they worked, what would that make you?


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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/2/2017 8:42:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: BamaD


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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

that thread isnt about banning knives lucy, which is my point.

Your link isn't about knives either.
The headline reads: FIGHT AGAINST TERROR

And knives still aren't new news - they've already been banned here a long time ago.
That has been brought up several times in gun threads.


So knife bans don't work either.

Count the bodies, Bama.

Death by guns in a gun society Vs death by knives in a non-gun society.

Count the number of mass murders too.
How many have you (the US) had compared to Canada, Australia, UK, or anywhere in Europe for that matter.
More than the rest of us put together.


Speeding restrictions don't stop people speeding.
The notion that a restrictive law or a ban would eradicate a particular issue is plain stupid and ignorant.
But it does make people think more and the numbers are a lot less.


See how well they worked in DC and Chicago.

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People don't believe they can defend themselves because they have guns, they have guns because they believe they can defend themselves.

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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/2/2017 9:01:09 PM   
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that thread isnt about banning knives lucy, which is my point.

Your link isn't about knives either.
The headline reads: FIGHT AGAINST TERROR

And knives still aren't new news - they've already been banned here a long time ago.
That has been brought up several times in gun threads.


Wait. Knives are banned too?
Do Chefs need a special permit?
I'm looking around my room and I have a Bowie knife, a couple throwing knives and a camp hatchet in my backpacks hanging on my closet hooks. The weather changed and I haven't felt like dealing with all the camp gear. Anyway, so it is illegal in the UK to carry a knife?

I'm suffering culture shock, right here in my room snuggled under my blankets.


Susie posted the law in post#19.
In essence: The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine. You’ll get a prison sentence if you’re convicted of carrying a knife more than once.

Chefs don't need a permit when using the 'tools of their trade' at their place of work.
However, you can't even carry a bread knife in public unless it is made unusable by being suitably wrapped/encased/boxed in some form of carrying recepticle -and- you can prove you are transporting it to/from your place of work.

Your bowie knife and throwing knives and your hatchet would similarly land you in hot water if you were caught just carrying them in public. You would have to keep them sheathed and in your back pack and also prove you were in transit to/from a camping facility at the time you were caught with them or you will be prosecuted for carrying them in a public place.
Even an ordinary dinner knife carries the same penalties if you are caught with one in your hand or just loose in your pocket.


So yes, carrying a knife in public is banned unless you can prove you have a good reason to carry it (and self-defense is not considered a good reason here).


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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/2/2017 9:03:54 PM   
freedomdwarf1


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Status: offline 		They didn't work because it was a tiny area.
I told you that before in various other threads that you've spouted this.
Why ban/restrict something when you can walk around the corner and buy the same thing legally?
Guaranteed failure right there.


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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/2/2017 9:12:12 PM   
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They didn't work because it was a tiny area.
I told you that before in various other threads that you've spouted this.
Why ban/restrict something when you can walk around the corner and buy the same thing legally?
Guaranteed failure right there.


And you never came up with any reason that they don't have the same crime rate around the corner.
Not only that but you can't just go "around the corner" and get it legally because it has to be shipped to a dealer in your area. On top of all of this the crime increase, particularlly in DC was from the use of non firearms. During the gun ban their the murder rate with guns stayed the same, but the overall murder rate doubled.

And how do you explain that"around the corner" the crime rate never even approached the leve s of DC And Chicago.

You clearly have still refused to do you reasearch and beleive the propoganda you have always followed.

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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/2/2017 9:34:02 PM   
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In essence: The maximum penalty for an adult carrying a knife is 4 years in prison and an unlimited fine. You’ll get a prison sentence if you’re convicted of carrying a knife more than once.

Chefs don't need a permit when using the 'tools of their trade' at their place of work.
However, you can't even carry a bread knife in public unless it is made unusable by being suitably wrapped/encased/boxed in some form of carrying recepticle -and- you can prove you are transporting it to/from your place of work.

Your bowie knife and throwing knives and your hatchet would similarly land you in hot water if you were caught just carrying them in public. You would have to keep them sheathed and in your back pack and also prove you were in transit to/from a camping facility at the time you were caught with them or you will be prosecuted for carrying them in a public place.
Even an ordinary dinner knife carries the same penalties if you are caught with one in your hand or just loose in your pocket.


So yes, carrying a knife in public is banned unless you can prove you have a good reason to carry it (and self-defense is not considered a good reason here).


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I find that both fascinating and strange.

I don't normally carry knives around. I won't go camping without a couple good knives. Too many uses for them and having the right tools lightens your load and your work.

Now that I think about it; We do have restrictions here, which vary from state to state and county/parish to county/parish.
Locally, open carry is lawful, so long as the blade is no longer than a certain length. Double edged knives (like my throwing knives) are illegal to carry on you unless properly sheathed and packed away. Stilleto knives are illegal to carry as well. My son always carries a knife with him. Always. When he and his friend were coming out of the woods they were stopped by a police officer. My son told the officer it wasn't a weapon but a tool. His friend called it a weapon, and he was charged with a crime and had to go to court. Similar knives, same cop, just different points of view made one ok and the other wrong.

Anyway, thanks for the explanation. I'm a skimmer, and usually don't read all the posts, so I miss out on relevant points in context to later posts.

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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/2/2017 10:04:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		The number of households with guns has declined steadily since the 1970's.

Since 1980 onwards, the number of nut cases have increased astronomically, and that is the primary market today.

That said, all these people having guns and knives handed down through the family don't matter anymore.

Today's police are 10X more weaponized, 10X more clueless, and 10X more afraid and jumpy, their being hired almost specifically for not having any clue of history at all.

I've never owned a weapon of any sort in my whole life, but I got held up for 20 minutes by police because I was walking home from the store with two light plastic bags of groceries. Answered all the questions until I finally got fed up. "What are you on about?

Don't feel alone with your locked-up and triggered-safety guns.

I was a suspected criminal, and possibly terrorist, for walking home with a modicum of groceries.

The alert was put out, we have to protect the country. Everybody is a suspected terrorist if not driving an SUV.

Apparently, walking with groceries was a suspected terrorist activity.

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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/2/2017 10:56:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't blame the local and state police for everything.

There will never be a shortfall of federal funds if the locals and states LE can promise to be as forceful and chickenshit and clueless as can possibly be, and hire accordingly, that is, as per federal guidelines.

Contracted private prisons are hungry prisons.

Let's get a move on, here.

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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/3/2017 3:00:03 AM   
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How long of a knife is necessary when you go camping?


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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/3/2017 3:52:39 AM   
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Do Chefs need a special permit?

No, they're just expected to keep their cleavers and carving knives in the kitchen, rather than carrying them around on their person in public.

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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/3/2017 4:24:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		It has been proven time and again that many firearms are obtained 'outside' of the normal precurement proceedure.
The Panorama program managed to buy several guns without going into a gun dealership.
They also managed to get several more guns from gun shows.
And they did that within minutes, not days or weeks or months and complete with lots of ammo and no checks.

Bearing in mind that the presenter/investigator is not even a US citizen, it just proves that your laws are not enforced rigourously enough.

Regardless of that, any law is designed to deter people, it will never completely stop anything.
To state that a law is ineffective because it isn't 100% fool-proof and water-tight is ignorant and disingenuous at best and and a total strawman argument and foolish at worst.
What's even worse is the stupid small-minded trial areas that are guaranteed to fail and you always hold them up as examples of failure.
They will fail by design and implementation.
For anything to properly stand any chance of marginal success, it has to be nationwide and rigourously enforced; something the US seem unable to do.



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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/3/2017 4:55:29 AM   
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How long of a knife is necessary when you go camping?




Depends on where I'm camping and how rough. A good sharp knife with a decent hand guard, the longer it is the more leverage you get and the least amount of energy is needed. In most cases a sharp camp hatchet serves that purpose, as well as being useful to hammer things, but it is heavier and and requires more energy expenditure. So, different tools for different jobs.

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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/3/2017 6:22:42 AM   
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It has been proven time and again that many firearms are obtained 'outside' of the normal precurement proceedure.
The Panorama program managed to buy several guns without going into a gun dealership.
They also managed to get several more guns from gun shows.
And they did that within minutes, not days or weeks or months and complete with lots of ammo and no checks.

Bearing in mind that the presenter/investigator is not even a US citizen, it just proves that your laws are not enforced rigourously enough.

Regardless of that, any law is designed to deter people, it will never completely stop anything.
To state that a law is ineffective because it isn't 100% fool-proof and water-tight is ignorant and disingenuous at best and and a total strawman argument and foolish at worst.
What's even worse is the stupid small-minded trial areas that are guaranteed to fail and you always hold them up as examples of failure.
They will fail by design and implementation.
For anything to properly stand any chance of marginal success, it has to be nationwide and rigourously enforced; something the US seem unable to do.




I know a few Chefs, and they are very particular about their knives. They don't leave them and they don't let anyone else use them. Their knives are like sacred ritual items. Leaving them would be sacrilege.

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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/3/2017 6:51:00 AM   
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Do Chefs need a special permit?

No, they're just expected to keep their cleavers and carving knives in the kitchen, rather than carrying them around on their person in public.


Sorry Whoremods, quoted Freedom Dwarf in previous post. That was in Answer to your post.

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RE: London terror attack in Westminster - 5/3/2017 6:59:14 AM   
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They need to take everything away from the Brits. cars, trucks, bottles, glasses, scissors. Swaddle them all in bubblewrap and place them in padded cells for their own safety, the lot of them

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