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Awareness -> The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/3/2017 9:51:54 AM)

Bettina Arndt has a post up this week which brings together quite a few resources which should be of interest to anyone interested in gender equality.

The first is her article about the misrepresentation of domestic violence as a gendered issue and the growing mountain of contrary evidence which has become so inescapable that even the nutty Swedish feminists aren't buying it any more. This quote is a gem:

quote:

Eva Solberg is a Swedish politician,a proud feminist who holds an important post as chairwoman of the party Moderate Women. Last year she was presented with her government’s latest strategy for combating domestic violence. Like similar reports across the world, this strategy assumes the only way to tackle domestic violence is through teaching misogynist men (and boys) to behave themselves.

The Swedish politician spat the dummy. Writing on the news site Nyheter24, Solberg took issue with her government’s “tired gendered analysis”, which argued that eradicating sexism was the solution to the problem of domestic violence. She explained her reasoning: “We know through extensive practice and experience that attempts to solve the issue through this kind of analysis have failed. And they failed precisely because violence is not and never has been a gender issue.

Solberg challenged the government report’s assumption that there was a guilty sex and an innocent one. “Thanks to extensive research in the field, both at the national and international level, we now know with great certainty that this breakdown by sex is simply not true.”

She made reference to the world’s largest research database on intimate partner violence, the Partner Abuse State of Knowledge project, which summarises more than 1700 scientific papers on the topic. She concluded that her government’s report was based on misinformation about family violence and that, contrary to the report’s one-sided view of men as the only perpetrators, many children were experiencing a very different reality: “We must recognise the fact
that domestic violence, in at least half of its occurrence, is carried out by female perpetrators.”

One of the key patterns that emerged from PASK, Solberg said, was that violence in the family was an inherited problem and children learned from watching the violence of both their parents. “To know this and then continue to ignore the damage done to the children who are today subjected to violence is a huge social betrayal,” she concluded. “The road to a solution for this social problem is hardly to stubbornly continue to feed the patient with more of the same
medicine that has already been tried for decades.”

There’s a certain irony that this happened in Sweden, the utopia for gender equality and the last place you would expect misogyny to be blamed for a major social evil. But despite Scandinavian countries being world leaders in gender equality (as shown by the 2014 World Economic Forum’s global gender gap index), Nordic women experience the worst physical or sexual violence in the EU.


It's become increasingly clear that to insist that domestic violence is a result of masculinity is a misandrist view which is only sustainable if you're effectively suffering a form of mental illness. The fact that even the nutty feminist Swedes are finally acknowledging the evidence should give pause to any of you nutty man-haters with even a modicum of intelligence.

Further to that, Karen Straughan's video on why our societies' crippling sexist approach to men and women's reproductive responsibilities is responsible for the phenomenon of MGTOW is compelling watching for anyone whose brain isn't leaking out through their ears.

There's also Janice Fiamengo's lecture on Women's Studies. I was rather fond of this quote: "Women’s Studies has devolved into an intellectually incoherent and dishonest discipline replacing a callow set of slogans for real thought. It’s man-hating, anti-Western and fundamentally illiberal."

Strong words indeed. Janice and Karen will be in Australia for the International Conference on Men's Issues 2017 which is being held on the Gold Coast, so Australians, head to http://icmi.info/shop/ to get your tickets now!

Ah, all you people devoted to gender equality will just love this stuff.

Of course.... you feminists won't - because feminism is about promulgating a victim-hood myth (tears for the suffering of women) rather than the promotion of gender equality.

You're welcome.

Prediction #1: Die-hard feminists who can't think will simply try and attack Bettina Arndt's character or mine.
Prediction #2: Twinkabelle will go after Arndt, then quote a book full of gender theories as "conclusive proof" of something.
Prediction #3: Thompson will say something stupid, incoherent or factually inaccurate and will frequently combine those categories.
Prediction #4: Whoremods will respond with a meme which shows she doesn't understand the post.
Prediction #5: Lucy will continue to hate men and any post she makes will approach levels of illiteracy not seen since the 18th century.




tamaka -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/3/2017 9:56:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

Bettina Arndt has a post up this week which brings together quite a few resources which should be of interest to anyone interested in gender equality.

The first is her article about the misrepresentation of domestic violence as a gendered issue and the growing mountain of contrary evidence which has become so inescapable that even the nutty Swedish feminists aren't buying it any more. This quote is a gem:

quote:

Eva Solberg is a Swedish politician,a proud feminist who holds an important post as chairwoman of the party Moderate Women. Last year she was presented with her government’s latest strategy for combating domestic violence. Like similar reports across the world, this strategy assumes the only way to tackle domestic violence is through teaching misogynist men (and boys) to behave themselves.

The Swedish politician spat the dummy. Writing on the news site Nyheter24, Solberg took issue with her government’s “tired gendered analysis”, which argued that eradicating sexism was the solution to the problem of domestic violence. She explained her reasoning: “We know through extensive practice and experience that attempts to solve the issue through this kind of analysis have failed. And they failed precisely because violence is not and never has been a gender issue.

Solberg challenged the government report’s assumption that there was a guilty sex and an innocent one. “Thanks to extensive research in the field, both at the national and international level, we now know with great certainty that this breakdown by sex is simply not true.”

She made reference to the world’s largest research database on intimate partner violence, the Partner Abuse State of Knowledge project, which summarises more than 1700 scientific papers on the topic. She concluded that her government’s report was based on misinformation about family violence and that, contrary to the report’s one-sided view of men as the only perpetrators, many children were experiencing a very different reality: “We must recognise the fact
that domestic violence, in at least half of its occurrence, is carried out by female perpetrators.”

One of the key patterns that emerged from PASK, Solberg said, was that violence in the family was an inherited problem and children learned from watching the violence of both their parents. “To know this and then continue to ignore the damage done to the children who are today subjected to violence is a huge social betrayal,” she concluded. “The road to a solution for this social problem is hardly to stubbornly continue to feed the patient with more of the same
medicine that has already been tried for decades.”

There’s a certain irony that this happened in Sweden, the utopia for gender equality and the last place you would expect misogyny to be blamed for a major social evil. But despite Scandinavian countries being world leaders in gender equality (as shown by the 2014 World Economic Forum’s global gender gap index), Nordic women experience the worst physical or sexual violence in the EU.


It's become increasingly clear that to insist that domestic violence is a result of masculinity is a misandrist view which is only sustainable if you're effectively suffering a form of mental illness. The fact that even the nutty feminist Swedes are finally acknowledging the evidence should give pause to any of you nutty man-haters with even a modicum of intelligence.

Further to that, Karen Straughan's video on why our societies' crippling sexist approach to men and women's reproductive responsibilities is responsible for the phenomenon of MGTOW is compelling watching for anyone whose brain isn't leaking out through their ears.

There's also Janice Fiamengo's lecture on Women's Studies. I was rather fond of this quote: "Women’s Studies has devolved into an intellectually incoherent and dishonest discipline replacing a callow set of slogans for real thought. It’s man-hating, anti-Western and fundamentally illiberal."

Strong words indeed. Janice and Karen will be in Australia for the International Conference on Men's Issues 2017 which is being held on the Gold Coast, so Australians, head to http://icmi.info/shop/ to get your tickets now!

Ah, all you people devoted to gender equality will just love this stuff.

Of course.... you feminists won't - because feminism is about promulgating a victim-hood myth (tears for the suffering of women) rather than the promotion of gender equality.

You're welcome.

Prediction #1: Die-hard feminists who can't think will simply try and attack Bettina Arndt's character or mine.
Prediction #2: Twinkabelle will go after Arndt, then quote a book full of gender theories as "conclusive proof" of something.
Prediction #3: Thompson will say something stupid, incoherent or factually inaccurate and will frequently combine those categories.
Prediction #4: Whoremods will respond with a meme which shows she doesn't understand the post.
Prediction #5: Lucy will continue to hate men and any post she makes will approach levels of illiteracy not seen since the 18th century.



So many people are being diagnosed with bipolar disorder now it doesn't surprise me that it's not a gender issue. It's a general mental health disorder.




Nnanji -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/3/2017 10:51:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

Bettina Arndt has a post up this week which brings together quite a few resources which should be of interest to anyone interested in gender equality.

The first is her article about the misrepresentation of domestic violence as a gendered issue and the growing mountain of contrary evidence which has become so inescapable that even the nutty Swedish feminists aren't buying it any more. This quote is a gem:

quote:

Eva Solberg is a Swedish politician,a proud feminist who holds an important post as chairwoman of the party Moderate Women. Last year she was presented with her government’s latest strategy for combating domestic violence. Like similar reports across the world, this strategy assumes the only way to tackle domestic violence is through teaching misogynist men (and boys) to behave themselves.

The Swedish politician spat the dummy. Writing on the news site Nyheter24, Solberg took issue with her government’s “tired gendered analysis”, which argued that eradicating sexism was the solution to the problem of domestic violence. She explained her reasoning: “We know through extensive practice and experience that attempts to solve the issue through this kind of analysis have failed. And they failed precisely because violence is not and never has been a gender issue.

Solberg challenged the government report’s assumption that there was a guilty sex and an innocent one. “Thanks to extensive research in the field, both at the national and international level, we now know with great certainty that this breakdown by sex is simply not true.”

She made reference to the world’s largest research database on intimate partner violence, the Partner Abuse State of Knowledge project, which summarises more than 1700 scientific papers on the topic. She concluded that her government’s report was based on misinformation about family violence and that, contrary to the report’s one-sided view of men as the only perpetrators, many children were experiencing a very different reality: “We must recognise the fact
that domestic violence, in at least half of its occurrence, is carried out by female perpetrators.”

One of the key patterns that emerged from PASK, Solberg said, was that violence in the family was an inherited problem and children learned from watching the violence of both their parents. “To know this and then continue to ignore the damage done to the children who are today subjected to violence is a huge social betrayal,” she concluded. “The road to a solution for this social problem is hardly to stubbornly continue to feed the patient with more of the same
medicine that has already been tried for decades.”

There’s a certain irony that this happened in Sweden, the utopia for gender equality and the last place you would expect misogyny to be blamed for a major social evil. But despite Scandinavian countries being world leaders in gender equality (as shown by the 2014 World Economic Forum’s global gender gap index), Nordic women experience the worst physical or sexual violence in the EU.


It's become increasingly clear that to insist that domestic violence is a result of masculinity is a misandrist view which is only sustainable if you're effectively suffering a form of mental illness. The fact that even the nutty feminist Swedes are finally acknowledging the evidence should give pause to any of you nutty man-haters with even a modicum of intelligence.

Further to that, Karen Straughan's video on why our societies' crippling sexist approach to men and women's reproductive responsibilities is responsible for the phenomenon of MGTOW is compelling watching for anyone whose brain isn't leaking out through their ears.

There's also Janice Fiamengo's lecture on Women's Studies. I was rather fond of this quote: "Women’s Studies has devolved into an intellectually incoherent and dishonest discipline replacing a callow set of slogans for real thought. It’s man-hating, anti-Western and fundamentally illiberal."

Strong words indeed. Janice and Karen will be in Australia for the International Conference on Men's Issues 2017 which is being held on the Gold Coast, so Australians, head to http://icmi.info/shop/ to get your tickets now!

Ah, all you people devoted to gender equality will just love this stuff.

Of course.... you feminists won't - because feminism is about promulgating a victim-hood myth (tears for the suffering of women) rather than the promotion of gender equality.

You're welcome.

Prediction #1: Die-hard feminists who can't think will simply try and attack Bettina Arndt's character or mine.
Prediction #2: Twinkabelle will go after Arndt, then quote a book full of gender theories as "conclusive proof" of something.
Prediction #3: Thompson will say something stupid, incoherent or factually inaccurate and will frequently combine those categories.
Prediction #4: Whoremods will respond with a meme which shows she doesn't understand the post.
Prediction #5: Lucy will continue to hate men and any post she makes will approach levels of illiteracy not seen since the 18th century.


At some point, progressivism/feminism/multiculturalism always begins to collapse by the weight of its own internal contradictions and becomes faith-based. The problem is that it generally takes a while to prove the ideas put forth by feminists are bunk. By that time the progressive is even further down down the blind path and causing more shit...that will take time to disprove again. They never think, "wow, wait, maybe I'm wrong and shouldn't continue on this course."




Awareness -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/3/2017 4:46:28 PM)

It's pretty much faith-based already. The feminist hatred of evidence which doesn't support their narrative has become an obsession. When they start to claim empirical science is misogynist, that's when I know they're psychotic.




bounty44 -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/3/2017 4:56:32 PM)

I think what im about to say here is an element of the equation too.

I was talking to a grad school peer a bunch of years ago and the topic was about how title ix was yes, indeed helping women's athletics, but in many cases it was doing so at the expense of men's.

its not that she didn't care per se---it was just the opposite almost---that the men were finally getting what they "deserved"---a sort of payback for all the years that the women had been shortchanged and mistreated.

my premise being, in some cases, it really is about just hating men.




Nnanji -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/3/2017 5:25:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Awareness

It's pretty much faith-based already. The feminist hatred of evidence which doesn't support their narrative has become an obsession. When they start to claim empirical science is misogynist, that's when I know they're psychotic.

They already do claim empirical science is misogynist. Recall Larry Summers and keep in mind that the theory now is that any empirical evidence that does not push their agenda is valueless.

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-soh-trans-feminism-anti-science-20170210-story.html

quote:

Gender feminists — who are distinct from traditional equity feminists — refuse to acknowledge the role of evolution in shaping the human brain, and instead promote the idea that sex differences are caused by a socialization process that begins at birth. Gender, according to them, is a construct; we are born as blank slates and it is parents and society at large that produce the differences we see between women and men in adulthood.


quote:

In my experience, proponents touting the “blank slate” view are willing to agree, in private conversations, that neurological sex differences do exist, but they fear that acknowledging as much publicly will justify female oppression. This is backward. As it stands, female-typical traits are seen as inferior and less worthy of respect. This is the real issue the movement fails to address: Nobody wants to be female-typical, not even women.




Lucylastic -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/3/2017 6:36:53 PM)

Some people dont seem to be able to understand that they started off as female.(its why men have nipples) until at least 5-6 weeks gestation when the Y gene is up and around.

I dont need a womans study class or course to know that.
It seems you are blaming womens studies for the further study into the spectrum of sexuality/gender issues.









respectmen -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/3/2017 8:27:28 PM)

It's funny how if men only think male suffering is important while totally ignoring female suffering, it's considered misogynist. Yet feminists make all issues centred around women while leaving men out of the picture and that's not considered misandrist.

Just a while ago I made a thread about pro dommes being welfare frauds. I was deemed as a misogynist alone for not including pro male doms.

But of course its okay for feminists to only complain about male abusers and not female abusers.

The hypocrisy that comes from feminists and the left in general is beyond absurd.




Lucylastic -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/3/2017 8:43:06 PM)

yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnn




zenval -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/3/2017 8:56:01 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: respectmen

It's funny how if men only think male suffering is important while totally ignoring female suffering, it's considered misogynist. Yet feminists make all issues centred around women while leaving men out of the picture and that's not considered misandrist.

Just a while ago I made a thread about pro dommes being welfare frauds. I was deemed as a misogynist alone for not including pro male doms.

But of course its okay for feminists to only complain about male abusers and not female abusers.

The hypocrisy that comes from feminists and the left in general is beyond absurd.


I believe the term is gynocentrism. While very few come to your aid on these forums many people are aware of the issue and simply let those people who are ignorant wallow in it.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Some people dont seem to be able to understand that they started off as female.(its why men have nipples) until at least 5-6 weeks gestation when the Y gene is up and around.



I will preface this with the fact that I cannot recall the exact terms and don't have the bio book in front of me (it's been quite a while since I had a course on this specific material) with said information but here is the gist:

You would be incorrect. An undeveloped fetus has proto sex organs that can develop into either male or female sex organs with the proper application of hormones and matched DNA. While it is certainly true that said proto organs have an appearance that resembles that of a female sexed baby it is unsexed assuming the person wants to ignoring the whole chromosome thing.

If you would like to correct your lack of understanding I suggest a book on fetal development.




Lucylastic -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/3/2017 9:13:04 PM)

I didnt mention fetus, it happens before the fetus develops. When it is an embryo.
About week 5-6.
Fetus is approx ten weeks
please check your own assumption.




zenval -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/3/2017 9:21:22 PM)

What you have stated does not directly or indirectly address what I have stated in regards to proto sex organs not being the same as those that are eventually developed from them despite what those who only care about surface features might see. I suggest not ignoring prefaces in the future and then you may not have made this mistake and addressed the meat of what is said.




Lucylastic -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/3/2017 10:09:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: zenval

What you have stated does not directly or indirectly address what I have stated in regards to proto sex organs not being the same as those that are eventually developed from them despite what those who only care about surface features might see. I suggest not ignoring prefaces in the future and then you may not have made this mistake and addressed the meat of what is said.

I will take that under advisement
But please dont expect me to apologise for your assumptions.







zenval -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/3/2017 10:48:07 PM)

I am unsure as to the assumption that you speak of or where I have asked for an apology. I am curious as to whether you plan to address the meat of my first statement, keeping in mind my preface, or if this is simply a method to distract from it, this thread, and/or your error?




respectmen -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/4/2017 1:18:24 AM)

Zenval

quote:

I believe the term is gynocentrism. While very few come to your aid on these forums many people are aware of the issue and simply let those people who are ignorant wallow in it.


I see it different. There are a group of leftist and/or feminists in here who have that exact attitude. The people who attack me are usually the same culprits that are a part of that group.

This forum used to be way worse when it was popular and was under the name collarme. There used to be way more regulars and most were slanted on the left and feminist side of discussions. The moderators back then were very biased. They were obviously on the far left. I can remember they used to find any excuse imaginable to censor my posts against feminism. At one point, a moderator punished me for calling a feminist a "hypocrite" yet in that same discussion, the words misogynist, loser, and the other usual names were thrown at me for having a different opinion. Yet it was all okay for them.

At least this forum 100 percent tolerates opinions on the right these days unlike before.




WickedsDesire -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/4/2017 2:01:06 AM)

I cant tell the difference between awerness and respectman Oh come on it cant just be me!

MwaaahhhhHHH feminists




bounty44 -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/4/2017 4:27:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: respectmen

It's funny how if men only think male suffering is important while totally ignoring female suffering, it's considered misogynist. Yet feminists make all issues centred around women while leaving men out of the picture and that's not considered misandrist.

Just a while ago I made a thread about pro dommes being welfare frauds. I was deemed as a misogynist alone for not including pro male doms.

But of course its okay for feminists to only complain about male abusers and not female abusers.

The hypocrisy that comes from feminists and the left in general is beyond absurd.


for what its worth, one way that question is answered is, "women are the historically under-represented group and any disparity that goes on now is understandable, if not acceptable, in terms of "making up the gap."

its why girls can play on boy's baseball teams but boys cannot play on girl's softball teams.




respectmen -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/4/2017 5:19:43 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: bounty44

quote:

ORIGINAL: respectmen

It's funny how if men only think male suffering is important while totally ignoring female suffering, it's considered misogynist. Yet feminists make all issues centred around women while leaving men out of the picture and that's not considered misandrist.

Just a while ago I made a thread about pro dommes being welfare frauds. I was deemed as a misogynist alone for not including pro male doms.

But of course its okay for feminists to only complain about male abusers and not female abusers.

The hypocrisy that comes from feminists and the left in general is beyond absurd.


for what its worth, one way that question is answered is, "women are the historically under-represented group and any disparity that goes on now is understandable, if not acceptable, in terms of "making up the gap."

its why girls can play on boy's baseball teams but boys cannot play on girl's softball teams.


It's amusingly ironic how feminists shout the loudest about "privilege"....only male privilege that is, while being the biggest offenders of implying privileges for women.





thompsonx -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/4/2017 5:28:26 PM)


ORIGINAL: bounty44


for what its worth, one way that question is answered is, "women are the historically under-represented group and any disparity that goes
on now is understandable, if not acceptable, in terms of "making up the gap."

its why girls can play on boy's baseball teams but boys cannot play on girl's softball teams.


Why would a boy want to play on a girls softball team?




zenval -> RE: The malevolent influence of Women’s Studies (5/5/2017 6:19:16 PM)

respectmen,

I was fairly active in the CM days under a different handle (which didn't appear to transfer to CS). It took me a long time, just as it is taking currently, to find someone not afflicted by women's studies. Although, it does seem this time around there are more people aware of these issues.

thomsonx,

If you believe in egalitarianism then what reason do you need that isn't self evident. If you don't then the reason can easily be seen if switching the postulate. If you wish for a literal answer then it is simply because that person wants to and there are not other reasonable avenues for them to pursue.




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