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6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 5:35:38 AM   
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6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S.


Healthcare in the U.S. costs about twice as much as it does in any other developed country. If the $3 trillion U.S. healthcare sector were ranked as a country, it would be the world’s fifth largest economy according to “Consumer Reports." The cost of this huge financial burden to every household because of lost wages, higher premiums and taxes plus additional out-of-pocket expenses is more than $8,000.

Even with all this money being spent on healthcare, the World Health Organization ranked the U.S. thirty-seventh in healthcare systems, and The Commonwealth Fund placed the U.S. last among the top 11 industrialized countries in overall healthcare.

Why is the U.S. paying so much more for care and not appearing at the top of the rankings? Here’s a look at six key reasons the U.S. is failing to provide adequate healthcare at reasonable prices.

1. Administrative Costs
The number one reason our healthcare costs are so high, says Harvard economist David Cutler, is that “the administrative costs of running our healthcare system are astronomical. About one quarter of healthcare cost is associated with administration, which is far higher than in any other country.”

One example Cutler brought up in a discussion on this topic with National Public Radio was the 1,300 billing clerks at Duke University Hospital, which has only 900 beds. Those billing specialists are needed to determine how to bill to meet the varying requirements of multiple insurers. Canada and other countries that have a single-payer system don’t require this level of staffing to administer healthcare.

2. Drug Costs
Another major difference in health costs between the U.S. and every other developed nation is the cost of drugs. The public definitely believes drug costs are unreasonable; now politicians are starting to believe that too. In most countries the government negotiates drug prices with the drug makers, but when Congress created Medicare Part D, it specifically denied Medicare the right to use its power to negotiate drug prices. The Veteran's Administration and Medicaid, which can negotiate drug prices, pay the lowest drug prices. The Congressional Budget Office has found that just by giving the low-income beneficiaries of Medicare Part D the same discount Medicaid recipients get, the federal government would save $116 billion over 10 years. Think of what the savings might be if all Medicare recipients could benefit from Medicaid-negotiated drug prices!

3. Defensive Medicine
Yet another big driver of the higher U.S. health insurance bill is the practice of defensive medicine. Doctors are afraid that they will get sued, so they order multiple tests even when they are certain they know what the diagnosis is. A Gallup survey estimated that $650 billion annually could be attributed to defensive medicine. Everyone pays the bill on this with higher insurance premiums, co-pays and out-of-pocket costs, as well as taxes that go toward paying for governmental healthcare programs.

4. Expensive Mix of Treatments
U.S. medical practitioners also tend to use a more expensive mix of treatments. When compared with other developed countries, for example, the U.S. uses three times as many mammograms, two-and-a-half times the number of MRIs and 31% more Caesarean sections. This results in more being spent on technology in more locations. Another key part of the mix is that more people in the U.S. are treated by specialists, whose fees are higher than primary-care doctors, when the same types of treatments are done at the primary-care level in other countries. Specialists command higher pay, which drives the costs up in the U.S. for everyone.

5. Wages and Work Rules
Wages and staffing drive costs up in healthcare. Specialists are commanding high reimbursements and the overutilization of specialists through the current process of referral decision-making drives health costs even higher. The National Commission on Physician Payment Reform was the first step in fixing the problem; based on its 2013 report, the commission adopted 12 recommendations for changes to get control over physician pay. Now it is working with Congress to find a way to implement some of these recommendations.

6. Branding
“There is no such thing as a legitimate price for anything in healthcare,” says George Halvorson, the former chairman of health maintenance organization Kaiser Permanente. “Prices are made up depending on who the payer is.”

Providers who can demand the highest prices are the ones that create a brand everyone wants. “In some markets the prestigious medical institutions can name their price,” says Andrea Cabarello, program director at Catalyst for Payment Reform, a nonprofit that works with large employers to get some control on health costs.

The Affordable Care Act (ACA) has pushed back to some degree against the high costs created by branding. In central Florida, for example, one of the top brands is Florida Hospital. This year ACA policies offered by Humana did not include services provided by this brand. Similar types of contract negotiations knocked out top hospitals in other locations. It remains to be seen whether this will cause those hospitals to reduce prices to get those patients back.

The Bottom Line
Most other developed countries control costs, in part, by having the government play a stronger role in negotiating prices for healthcare. Their healthcare systems don’t require the high administrative costs that drive up pricing in the U.S. As the global overseers of their country's systems, these governments have the ability to negotiate lower drug, medical equipment and hospital costs. They can influence the mix of treatments used and patients’ ability to go to specialists or seek more expensive treatments.

So far in the U.S., there has been a lack of political support for the government taking a larger role in controlling healthcare costs. The most recent legislation, the Affordable Care Act, focused on ensuring access to healthcare, but maintained the status quo to encourage competition among insurers and healthcare providers. This means there will be multiple payers for the services and less powerful control over negotiated pricing from providers of healthcare services.

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https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/03/why-is-american-health-care-so-ridiculously-expensive/274425/ Near the end of the book, Reid expands on two big reasons why U.S. health care is so expensive: (1) Unlike other countries, the U.S. government doesn't manage prices; and (2) the complications created by our for-profit system adds tremendous costs.

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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 5:52:15 AM   
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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 6:24:16 AM   
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apart from suggesting you get a life outside of constantly creating multiple new threads everyday...

healthcare is expensive to the extent that its not a truly free market.

the market is "contaminated" by insurance companies, laws, regulations, and artificial restriction of supply.

is there anything in life, that over time, free marketplace competition has not lowered the costs of?

how hard is "more doctors/nurses/physician's assistants/etc, less regulation/administration, and direct responsibility leads to lower costs" to understand?

but by all means---lets add even more government and expect that to lower costs.

and despite how much more expensive obamacare made "healthcare" for millions of people, lets pretend that didn't happen too.

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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 7:29:13 AM   
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Too be fair, health care is also expensive in the US because we do extensive research here and practice heroic medicine in the sense that we give those expensive new procedures a try rather than give up on people.

That, however, does not translate well to doing this for everyone (in terms of cost).

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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 8:29:59 AM   
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Dogsbreath44 Lets pretend for one mo you are not a trump enabler and all round idiot, and you dislike most of my threads simply because they show the hypocrisy and corruption of the GOP, and the lying fukery of the orange one and you have no counter argument to actual facts. Did you mention this was also his third attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act?

Where are your threads - its not my fault your lying fuk of a masters are all cringe worthy t outright repugnet, and, i have no recollection of you posting in any of the UK etc ones. Its because you live in a bubbleverse - or in your particularly case acute Trumpoverse

So are you saying this was all Obama's fault?

Here is what I know
1. The USA with the sheer money it pours into their health system, twice the average of all other countries, should be the best in the world and also free for all - and yet it’s not. Its a complete and utter fuking shambles.
2. The orange one being a complete lying huffy fuk for all he campaigned on - Obama care was making Americans poor and costing millions millions was just anoter lie.
3. He never had anything to replace it because he knows fuk all about any of this stuff
He is on the record as having said we have so many things, great things, perople have never even heard of to replace it. What were they - i want you dogsbreath44 to tell me what these unheard of things were?

tell you what you get back to me with how much the medical/insurance companies make out of all of this and I bet you its 5-10 times higher than what its profiteered in the UK (and those companies profit here)
And that is where all the money actually goes – its just one big cesspool – Swamp as your leader calls it”

You may not give a rats arse about the uninsured people of America-the world but I do -now crawl back to your hole animal.

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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 8:41:00 AM   
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apart from suggesting you get a life outside of constantly creating multiple new threads everyday...

healthcare is expensive to the extent that its not a truly free market.

the market is "contaminated" by insurance companies, laws, regulations, and artificial restriction of supply.

is there anything in life, that over time, free marketplace competition has not lowered the costs of?

how hard is "more doctors/nurses/physician's assistants/etc, less regulation/administration, and direct responsibility leads to lower costs" to understand?

but by all means---lets add even more government and expect that to lower costs.

and despite how much more expensive obamacare made "healthcare" for millions of people, lets pretend that didn't happen too.




But there is a reason its called 'daMOBcracy'

Welcome to mafia style business practices.

Rule 1) Their fingers must be in every pie.
Rule 2) They get paid first






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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 8:49:59 AM   
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You forgot lawyers.

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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 8:52:06 AM   
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I told everyone here when national healthcare was first proposed it cant be done in america. Insurance companies would have to be completely out of the loop and that aint gonna happen now that their fingers are in the pie. period. every system your pals come up with will SUK and it wont matter which side of the isle comes up with it.

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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 8:52:16 AM   
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I had a quick look into the UK. This wont include family, relations or friends. And if anyone remembers thatcher they have just classified her sons arms shennigans for another ~25 years. Thats when the rot really set in over here.

225 parliamentarians have recent or present financial private healthcare connections
145 Lords have recent or present financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare
124 Peers benefit from the financial services sector
1 in 4 Conservative Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare
1 in 6 Labour Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare
1 in 6 Crossbench Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare
1 in 10 Liberal Democrat Peers have recent or present financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare
75 MPs have recent or present financial links to companies or individuals involved in private healthcare
81% of these are Conservative
4 Key members of the Associate Parliamentary Health Group have parliamentarians with financial connections to companies or individuals involved in healthcare
4 Patrons of the pro-reform think tank 2020health have Peers with private healthcare links
Nearly 40% of the most powerful individuals in healthcare are from companies with links to Lords and MPs.
4 MPs and 1 Lord have worked for Huntsworth Health, run by a Peer who gave money to Cameron’s leadership campaign
25 of the Finalists in the HealthInvestors Awards 2012 have parliamentarians connected to them
2 companies, DACBeachcroft, Cumberlege Connections, which have Lords as a partner and as an owner respectively, moved themselves into a position to make money from the reforms as the Lords voted on the bill, and before the bill became Act
5 organisations link to Baroness Cumberlege: Her company, Cumberlege Connections, Associate Parliamentary Health Group, 2020health, Huntsworth plc, MJM, healthcare solutions
19 Lords and MPs have financial links to Pharmaceutical giant GlaxoSmithKline
9 Lords and MPs have received payment from a company run by Baroness Cumberlege, called Cumberlege Connections, which is a healthcare training and political networking company
1 – the amount of times the BBC challenged Andrew Lansley in the last three years on his donation received to fund his private office when shadow health minister from John Nash the chairman of Care UK. Mr Nash was made a Lord.
All were able to vote on the Health and Social Care bill (now Act), despite having a prejudicial interest, which would not have been allowed at local council level

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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 8:57:27 AM   
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The constitution is a commercial contract, hence all legislation is geared to increase commerce for the purpose of increasing tax base, which of course lines who's pockets...... Its all about who gets the money first and foremost, and the gubmint insures it keeps rolling in despite your ability to pay by making the same draconian styled extortion laws people think we got rid of back in 1776.

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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 9:04:19 AM   
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My pals? are you talking about the UK or the USA?

I shudder to think how many medical insurance firms the American jackals have and if it is structured as one pyramid scheme or many pyramid schemes - this one i suspect.

Gluttony - I fuking loathe that - Sometimes it is reffered to as the American dream

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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 9:12:20 AM   
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My pals? are you talking about the UK or the USA?

I shudder to think how many medical insurance firms the American jackals have and if it is structured as one pyramid scheme or many pyramid schemes - this one i suspect.

Gluttony - I fuking loathe that - Sometimes it is reffered to as the American dream



Duh! the system follows the british commercial model, enforced, after all brits made it, all the founders did was copy paste existing brit law and the braindeads around this country worship them as gods despite the disparity and disjunction between the wonderful words and reality.


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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 9:36:55 AM   
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My pals? are you talking about the UK or the USA?

I shudder to think how many medical insurance firms the American jackals have and if it is structured as one pyramid scheme or many pyramid schemes - this one i suspect.

Gluttony - I fuking loathe that - Sometimes it is reffered to as the American dream



Duh! the system follows the british commercial model, enforced, after all brits made it, all the founders did was copy paste existing brit law and the braindeads around this country worship them as gods despite the disparity and disjunction between the wonderful words and reality.


And after a century or so, we realised it was a false and unsustainable way to do things.
So we changed it, wholesale, and made it work better.
As I said, we had the same shit until 1948, then changed it overnight.

Others in the civilised world also did something similar and fixed the original fuck-up.
You bunch of apes over there enhanced the bad bits and are too afraid to fix it.


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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 10:00:35 AM   
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We stole it off the Romans - who stole if of the Hellenes (Greek)..And the Americans stole it off us ( I am sure at least one Scottish jackal wrote that American constitution) - the "systems” = Democracy, judiciary system, and what did Jesus say about the lepers?

Look i dont like what is happening to the UK health system it has been on a precipice for epochs now – blame whichever party you dislike.

I want to know what it is worth v each country. I think I read today that the American health/medical malarkey all in care system would be the 5th large economy in the world

To a loon with 3 cats like myself – all countries should pay a fixed amount of their GDP to a free health care system - they do it for war ;) and the hypocrisy is complete in the manner known as shambolic

as freedomworf1 says.

But i will add in about ~50% of our NHS is now privatised. My own personal opinion is the tory scumbag party were to blame - but i am well aware its a cross party fingers in the pie - the right being the more guilty.

But the American system is amok

Anyone from Norway, Finland Germany on here?



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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 11:10:15 AM   
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I agree with RO on one aspect; that with insurance agencies having their hands in the pie and their money going to politicians in the republican and Democratic parties, there is no political incentive to push against those agencies and push for a public option. If they did it would be like they're biting the hand that feeds them. The only solution is abolishing unlimited campaign donations and voting for candidates in primaries who stand against money in politics or those who support an amendment to remove money in politics. Justice Democrats is just one such group working to get money out of politics by putting up contenders against EVERY democratic politician to primary them in the next round of elections. Even Wolf PAC is working to go through the states and call for an amendment to abolish money in politics, which is better than what most "liberal" groups are doing. Get rid of the incentive to support the insurance agencies and there will be nothing they can do to prevent a single payer system, since their hands will no longer be in the pie. Simply put the insurance agencies benefit from the misfortune of others when it comes to healthcare, and it's time for them to go, but first you need to hold your politicians accountable and elect people who refuse to take corporate money from multinational corporations or groups such as insurance agencies, both on the right and especially the left. Only then will you have politicians that stand for the people.

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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 11:25:42 AM   
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You forgot lawyers.

Agreed. I believe that we should socialize the legal profession and see how that benefits the world before we allow the government to run any other system.

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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 11:45:32 AM   
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I told everyone here when national healthcare was first proposed it cant be done in america. Insurance companies would have to be completely out of the loop and that aint gonna happen now that their fingers are in the pie. period. every system your pals come up with will SUK and it wont matter which side of the isle comes up with it.

Germany for just one example, has a national (universal) health care system and also literally dozens of insurance companies.

The single most crippling aspect preventing a US national health care system anything like what is used in other countries...is greed. In America, it is...all about the money.

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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 12:49:21 PM   
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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 1:36:05 PM   
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Are you north or south not that that bothers me - what do you make of all of this for you have a brain

That picture is completely disturbing - his arms, a complete lying fuk even by all of his own words to the degree of >96%, are open in disturbed god mode, who would embrace an orange kiddie fiddler and smile and thumbs up it?


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RE: 6 Reasons Healthcare Is So Expensive in the U.S. - 5/5/2017 2:40:19 PM   
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"See? I do too have one! This isn't a strap on at all! Yes, applaud bitches!"

FUll of fat old white men who will not suffer the consequences of their arrogance.
No wonder they are celebrating and celebrating with a beer bash.
Tax breaks coming for them and friends and the poor will die quicker.
and get poorer.

such a day for a celebration.


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