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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/13/2017 4:35:39 PM   
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As I've also written, can't vote for Hillary because we to feel she is corrupt, better to vote for Trump who we...knew was corrupt.

For myself, I'm finding it pretty funny that some of the trumptooners on here are still coming out with the argument that el presidente is less crooked than Clinton would have proven.

If Hillary had been elected, there would be impeachment hearings already in full dungeon. Hell hath no furry like a republican scorned.

What is particularly revealing is the charge of hypocrisy from the right when after at least 10 and maybe 12 Benghazi-like attacks during W's 8 yrs. without a single hearing and not a peep out of the repubs and after all of the shit thrown at HRC for that and her emails and private server etc., when Rice and Powell both at State, both having private email and servers...no hearings or a peep once again out of the repubs.

To correct and paraphrase Lincoln, you can fool enough of the people...enough of the time and have been successful since Reagan with the complete capitulation of the right into the hate-filled, right wing media-backed, rent-seeking, corporatist, warmongering movement it is now.

Wow, that is twisted logic. No wonder you need tin foil hats.

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/13/2017 4:44:06 PM   
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whats even more disturbingly telling is the lack of ability to learn---the false equivalencies they keep bringing up, keep being shot down, and they keep bringing them up nevertheless.

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/13/2017 5:02:13 PM   
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shot down dogshit44? sucked up and felchgobbled by nutsuckers from nutsucker slobberblogs. You know, thousands of FBI agents quitting and Presidents sponsoring bills and all that.



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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/13/2017 6:00:08 PM   
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Defenders or enablers?

DEFENDERS OR ENABLERS?
Let’s start at the beginning: The president of the United States said that part of his reason for firing the top federal investigator was his handling of a criminal probe into the president’s election campaign.

In the same interview with NBC News, President Trump even said that he had asked former FBI Director James Comey whether the investigation was targeted at the president himself.

No matter what, these are serious and significant developments. If you find yourself dismissing them or focusing on misplaced partisan reactions to them, you are doing no service to Trump or the country.

Full stop.

In life and in politics there is a line between defending someone and enabling them. What is happening these days with Trump and his core supporters is getting way past defense.

In the end, if Trump is proven right, and there was no information sharing or collusion between his campaign and Kremlin-allied entities, the president’s intemperate comments will not add up to much.

All this will have been is a sorry incident in which a frustrated commander in chief lashed out against his critics, making his reputation and his staff collateral damage in the process. Also harmed will have been Trump’s agenda and the already weak bonds of trust between him and his fellow Republicans in Congress.

And that’s the best case scenario.

The darker side of the street looks like this: Democrats retake the House in 2018, investigators find that one of Trump’s underlings had been in cahoots with Putinists and Trump’s remark to Lester Holt “when I decided to [fire Comey], I said to myself, you know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story,” would surely make it into the articles of impeachment.

This is deadly serious stuff. And many of the president’s supporters seem either unaware or unwilling to confront the situation as it exists. Just because one thinks that Democrats are hysterical in their responses to Trump does not mean that Trump is doing the right things.

His team had been, under the adverse conditions Trump created for them, working hard to offer the best rationale for firing Comey: That the former director’s mishandling of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton’s case left him unable to suitably lead the agency.

Whether Trump was frustrated by not getting adequate credit for toppling Comey, a man he clearly had come to despise, or if Trump did not understand the legal and communications necessities of the moment doesn’t matter. Whatever the reason, Trump harmed himself, his party and his agenda.

No matter how much his supporters want Trump to succeed, if they can’t be clear-eyed and plainspoken about the current situation things are going to get worse, not better.

The undisciplined, erratic approach to a scandal that represents mortal peril for this presidency is not primarily the fault of bad staff work, the “lying press” or Democrats. It is primarily the fault of a president who steadfastly refuses to empower his staff, show respect for the separation of powers or exhibit patience.

There will always be people who will tell the president that escapades like the one this week are a refreshing departure from stuffy old Washington and that all he really needs to do is keep kicking the walls of the barn down until he gets his way.

There will always be such people because there will always be, in any administration or organization, those willing to enable damaging behavior in order to gain power and access.

What Trump badly needs now is straight talk and honest appraisal from his advisers and supporters and desperation enough to be willing to listen.

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/13/2017 7:00:30 PM   
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What Trump badly needs now is straight talk and honest appraisal from his advisers and supporters and desperation enough to be willing to listen.

Poor Dear Leader Thump's chances of getting "the straight talk and honest appraisals" he needs from his support team are likely to be approximately zero. Thump has long favoured sycophants and yes-men among his advisers. He seems to prefer having his ego stroked to independent and carefully considered advice.

Will Dear Leader Thump accept the advice even in the unlikely event of receiving some honest appraisals and straight talking?? Dear Leader Thump has shown no inclination to accept advice that fails to flatter his ego and straight talking in this debacle would surely involve some humiliating back track, precisely the kind of step that Dear Leader Thump has displayed a marked reluctance to consider in the story to date.

In the final analysis, if Dear Leader Thump continues to shoot himself in the foot, which he has done several times already in this fiasco, it doesn't really matter what quality of advice Dear Leader Thump receives, nor how honest an appraisal his staffers deliver. If Dear Leader Thump continues to react emotionally, to make rash, ill-considered statements that contradict the facts or the line his staff is disseminating, and to alienate more sections of the GOP and his support base, the future prospects of his Presidency look bleak, very bleak indeed.



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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/13/2017 10:36:44 PM   
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Well I don't know about that...

But it definitely makes it not a book that only Breitbart and the National Enquirer seem to know about.
K.
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Please stop being a tool for BoscoX and take the whole discussion in context and not piecemeal.

The OP is about a "Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia " but BoscoX didn't want to talk about the OP and somehow decided that an attack on Hillary was needed, thus his "Five Clinton-Russia Bombshells Progressives Yawned Over" post, to which I answered; if Hillary was so in bed with the Russians what did Trump have to do for the Russian for them to help him get elected instead of Hillary?

At which time BoscoX brought up a Breitbart article about the book; "Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton’s Doomed Campaign" and I said; "Breitbart? You have got to be joking. I would believe what the National Enquirer says about alien encounters before anything that Breitbart says about politics."

To which BoscoX said; "the Breitbart report is about a tell-all book from Clinton insiders". At which point I took exception to the "Clinton insiders" part not the book part.

Next you're telling me that it's real book by Jonathan Allen and Amie Parnes and give a mini bio for each. To which I said; "and that makes them "Clinton insiders""?(the point I was making) Now you're saying; "Well I don't know about that... But it definitely makes it not a book that only Breitbart and the National Enquirer seem to know about.

That it was not a real book was never my contention and like I said I only took exception to the "fact" it was a Book from "Clinton insiders".

And in all this hubbub, I haven't even got around to this:

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But here is something interesting, from the Clinton camp: They invented the Russia hacking scandal against president Trump within 24 hours of Hillary losing the election
'Shattered' Revelation: Clinton Campaign Hatched Russian Hacking Narrative 24 Hours After Hillary's Loss
If the "Clinton camp" "invented the Russia hacking scandal against president Trump within 24 hours of Hillary losing the election" how come people were talking about possible Russian hacking months before the end of the election?

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/13/2017 10:52:20 PM   
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A journalist that can't tell the difference between plurals and possessives?
Sounds legit!

I googled this bullshit and not a single reputable news source backs it up... it's a ridiculous conspiracy theory. I can't even find any information about the guy who wrote it.

Anyways, the thread has been derailed without a single relevant comment having been made, so mission accomplished.



oh fuck I forgot you were elected to decide for us what is a 'reputable' source.

Do tell us what is a reputable source



Here are some things to look for:

-good grammar and spelling
-no pictures of Space Jesus hovering over the Earth
-no ridiculous quotes about freedom and patriotism that reek of a paranoid gun fetishist sitting in some wood-panelled basement somewhere, desperate to shoot someone for a good reason
-no cheap-looking gifs that flash and scroll and make the site look like it's from 1992



so cutsie cosmetics that fits your favorite bullshit format and is totally meaningless with regard to facts. bravo!

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/13/2017 11:24:38 PM   
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What Trump badly needs now is straight talk and honest appraisal from his advisers and supporters and desperation enough to be willing to listen.

Poor Dear Leader Thump's chances of getting "the straight talk and honest appraisals" he needs from his support team are likely to be approximately zero. Thump has long favoured sycophants and yes-men among his advisers. He seems to prefer having his ego stroked to independent and carefully considered advice.

Will Dear Leader Thump accept the advice even in the unlikely event of receiving some honest appraisals and straight talking?? Dear Leader Thump has shown no inclination to accept advice that fails to flatter his ego and straight talking in this debacle would surely involve some humiliating back track, precisely the kind of step that Dear Leader Thump has displayed a marked reluctance to consider in the story to date.

In the final analysis, if Dear Leader Thump continues to shoot himself in the foot, which he has done several times already in this fiasco, it doesn't really matter what quality of advice Dear Leader Thump receives, nor how honest an appraisal his staffers deliver. If Dear Leader Thump continues to react emotionally, to make rash, ill-considered statements that contradict the facts or the line his staff is disseminating, and to alienate more sections of the GOP and his support base, the future prospects of his Presidency look bleak, very bleak indeed.




I should have linked that quote to its proper source, it wasnt my words,
it came from
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/12/defenders-or-enablers.html

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/13/2017 11:42:09 PM   
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so cutsie cosmetics that fits your favorite bullshit format and is totally meaningless with regard to facts. bravo!


It's not 'cutesy cosmetics' to avoid making a website that is basically a neon sign flashing the words 'I'M INSANE'.
The format is ridiculous, and the content is like paranoid schizophrenia on acid.

It doesn't at all surprise me that you've glommed onto it... you get off on telling everyone they're sheep/fools/brainwashed while placing yourself on a pedestal that you haven't earned the right to be on.

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/14/2017 12:04:10 AM   
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One problem - no official has ever said they’ve got anything on Trump. They don’t have anything! This has been in open testimony. Comey, James Clapper, all the intelligence officials have all said they’ve seen nothing. No evidence, no proof of any kind of collusion between Trump and Russia.

But here is something interesting, from the Clinton camp: They invented the Russia hacking scandal against president Trump within 24 hours of Hillary losing the election

'Shattered' Revelation: Clinton Campaign Hatched Russian Hacking Narrative 24 Hours After Hillary's Loss

strange that you are claiming a book, trumps investigations, maybe I should say trounces,
James Clapper hasnt been a govmt official since november, he no longer has any knowledge(official) of what is going on. AND has stated it more than a few times, on media shows AND testifying.
Comey hasnt stated anything of the kind
mr Trounce is wishing.

As normal you attempt to hijack with a hillary scream
But breitbart, ffs you stupid man.
Here is a clip from the actual book Shattered, Page 395..which gives it some context.



https://books.google.ca/books?id=OmS0DgAAQBAJ&pg=PA395&lpg=PA395&dq=#v=onepage&q&f=false
Yes you can read a lot of the book online....

Regarding Zembla, its fascinating, but to me its not surprising it was done outside the purvey of the US.




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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/14/2017 11:34:02 AM   
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Well I don't know about that...

But it definitely makes it not a book that only Breitbart and the National Enquirer seem to know about.

Please stop being a tool for BoscoX and take the whole discussion in context and not piecemeal.

I'm nobody's tool, and I'll comment on whatever I wish.

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I took exception to the "Clinton insiders" part not the book part . . . That it was not a real book was never my contention

Yeah, try that. Maybe it'll work.

Yep, a book by "Clinton insiders" that only Breitbart seems to know about, Breitbart and the National Enquirer.

K.

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/14/2017 12:02:43 PM   
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I can guarantee 100% that in Bosco's feeble 'mind', this means that it wasn't already a story and Hillary just made the whole thing up after she lost the election.

It's obviously a conspiracy to sully the good, clean name of the best candidate the GOP has ever had, and prevent the most competent politician in the world from becoming the greatest president in history.

I mean, look at the way Trump has been acting... at every turn he has taken the high road and proven himself to be a capable leader.

It's all just so unfair.

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/14/2017 12:23:12 PM   
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I can guarantee 100% that in Bosco's feeble 'mind', this means that it wasn't already a story and Hillary just made the whole thing up after she lost the election.

It's obviously a conspiracy to sully the good, clean name of the best candidate the GOP has ever had, and prevent the most competent politician in the world from becoming the greatest president in history.

I mean, look at the way Trump has been acting... at every turn he has taken the high road and proven himself to be a capable leader.

It's all just so unfair.


Before the election, Obama mocked Trump for suggesting that the election could be "hacked" and Hillary lectured and preached about how anyone who refused to accept election results was a grave threat to democracy itself

I know that 100%

So... Yeah. Despite Obama illegally surveilling Donald Trumps campaign and having all the information about it imaginable Russia only became a "thing" after Hillary needed an excuse for losing to Donald Trump

(Here in the real world)

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/14/2017 12:25:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata

Well I don't know about that...

But it definitely makes it not a book that only Breitbart and the National Enquirer seem to know about.

Please stop being a tool for BoscoX and take the whole discussion in context and not piecemeal.

I'm nobody's tool, and I'll comment on whatever I wish.

Yep, tool
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I took exception to the "Clinton insiders" part not the book part . . . That it was not a real book was never my contention

Yeah, try that. Maybe it'll work.

Yep, a book by "Clinton insiders" that only Breitbart seems to know about, Breitbart and the National Enquirer.

K.

Well, if you had any reading comperhension it would work.
;-)

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/14/2017 12:27:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

I can guarantee 100% that in Bosco's feeble 'mind', this means that it wasn't already a story and Hillary just made the whole thing up after she lost the election.

It's obviously a conspiracy to sully the good, clean name of the best candidate the GOP has ever had, and prevent the most competent politician in the world from becoming the greatest president in history.

I mean, look at the way Trump has been acting... at every turn he has taken the high road and proven himself to be a capable leader.

It's all just so unfair.

Someone call a janitor, there is sarcasm being dripped all over the place.
:-)

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/14/2017 12:27:57 PM   
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You can show us a credible cite with video and complete transcript where Obama mocked Il Douchovitch for suggesting the election could be "hacked".

Oh, no? Didn't think so.

You only remember mantras repeated while compound gimping.

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/14/2017 12:32:28 PM   
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You can show us a credible cite with video and complete transcript where Obama mocked President Trump for suggesting the election could be "hacked".

Oh, no? Didn't think so.

You only remember mantras repeated while compound gimping.


Is video on a far left website good enough for you, drooler?

https://www.vox.com/2016/8/4/12382282/obama-trump-election-rigged

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/14/2017 12:38:20 PM   
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I can guarantee 100% that in Bosco's feeble 'mind', this means that it wasn't already a story and Hillary just made the whole thing up after she lost the election.

It's obviously a conspiracy to sully the good, clean name of the best candidate the GOP has ever had, and prevent the most competent politician in the world from becoming the greatest president in history.

I mean, look at the way Trump has been acting... at every turn he has taken the high road and proven himself to be a capable leader.

It's all just so unfair.


Before the election, Obama mocked Trump for suggesting that the election could be "hacked" and Hillary lectured and preached about how anyone who refused to accept election results was a grave threat to democracy itself

I know that 100%

So... Yeah. Russia only became a "thing" after Hillary needed an excuse for losing to Donald Trump

(Here in the real world)

You wouldn't know the real world even if someone drug you over to it and threw you in.

And yes, Trump did say the fix was in on the election and wouldn't say he would accept the results but he accepted the fixed election pretty fast when it turned out in his favor.

Also in the real world, Russian interference in the election was a topic of conversation months before the election not just after it as you suggest.

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/14/2017 12:41:20 PM   
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Also in the real world, Russian interference in the election was a topic of conversation months before the election not just after it as you suggest.


Which explains why Hillary went about lecturing and preaching, DEMANDING that election results be ratified prior to the election taking place... As well as Obama lecturing that elections cannot be rigged

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RE: Dutch documentary on Trump's ties to Russian mafia - 5/14/2017 12:43:35 PM   
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The election itself was not rigged-- that is an absurd claim. Trump was saying that there was some sort of insider conspiracy by the establishment to prevent him from becoming president, and that the elections themselves were a sham and predetermined, presumably by the NWO, the Illuminati, and/or the lizard people.

That is not the same thing as identifying an already verified Russian effort to help Trump and hurt Hillary by disseminating fake news and hacking into the DNC and her own private emails.

Anyone with an IQ over 85 would know this, but Bosco thinks they are the same thing.

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