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Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple choices)


Smoking
  8% (18)
The right to bear arms
  11% (24)
Religion
  12% (27)
To not wear a helmet
  6% (13)
To practice bdsm
  18% (38)
To say fuck(FREEDOM OF SPEECH)
  17% (36)
to ride in back of pickup trucks
  4% (10)
To not wear a seatbelt
  6% (13)
to be homosexual or bi sexual
  14% (30)


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Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple cho... - 7/26/2006 5:18:43 PM   
twicehappy


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Check off as many freedoms as you would be willing to fight for then feel free to tell us why.

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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/26/2006 5:37:45 PM   
GoddessDustyGold


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Status: offline 		Well, there ya go!  I voted for all of them, although I am not sure, in the strictest sense, that a couple of them would be rights, i.e. to be homosexual or bi-sexual.  But I get the idea that you mean the right to openly be safe in opting for an alternate lifestyle, rather than put in jail because one is a homosexual. 
But...along with these rights come the personal responsiblities.  And that is where I feel most people miss the boat.  We legislate everything, because if we don't, then people get sued.  If we had the legal right to choose not to wear a seatbelt, or to ride the motorcycle sans helmet (which is already the case in Az), or to bounce around in the back of the pick up truck and then got injured, we shouldn't sue the manufacturer.  
I am waiting for the warning on the inside of a paper bag that says "Placing this paper bag over your head may obstruct your vision and is unsafe to use while walking in traffic."

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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/26/2006 6:06:40 PM   
gooddogbenji


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Status: offline 		20% of people have said they would fight for the right (to paaaaartay) to practice BDSM.  However, we don't REALLY have the right, the laws just aren't really being enforced.  As was said in many other threads, no one can consent to assault, and in Canada, if an implement is used for this assault, hospitals are required to press charges.  There is also a big difference between it being a right and it not being illegal.

So, 4 people have said they would fight for the right to beat each other over the head with giant dildos...  But they don't have the right, as of now.  Will I see you bravely marching on the White House?

There's 2 kinds of fighting - verbal and physical.  Most freedoms I would fight for verbally.  However, when that fails, all that is left is taking up arms for the cause.  I think we need to define how hard we will fight for it.

I think it's very easy to brag about your willingness to fight for the right, but at the end of the day, it may mean dying for this cause.  This means taking a gun and shooting others, in order to have the government allow BDSM, or whatever.

So, before running off and saying "I'll fight for this, that and everything," let's see what fighting really means.

Yours,


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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/26/2006 6:10:19 PM   
LaTigresse


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Status: offline 		Wellllllll, I may buck a trend here but there are a few on the list I don't particularly care wether I can or I cannot do. There are only 4 that I hope to never see laws against. Religion, freedom of speech, BDSM and sexuality. If the US would do that I believe I would be moving ASAP. The others I can see a valid reason for the potential, wether I would vote to make them illegal is a different story. I just wouldn't feel the need to fight for them.

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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/26/2006 6:13:19 PM   
LaTigresse


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Status: offline 		Momentary lapse of seriousness.......please forgive me.

Doing my best dancing impersonation of the best fighter that ever lived.
"dance like a butterfly.....sting like a bee" (yada yada yada)
come on benji, put em up!......make my day!
(wait.....thats another guy....)



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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/26/2006 6:25:49 PM   
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When you say "fight" do you mean fistfight, or taking up arms?

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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/26/2006 6:34:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would fight for freedom of speech, smoking and bdsm. Speech bcos i cant keep my mouth shut, smoking bcos im likely to kill if i cant smoke and bdsm because its a basic part of me.

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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/26/2006 6:45:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would fight for Freedom of Speech, and the Right to Bare Arms....Although some would disagree with me on the "Right to Bare Arms"....so be it  However, these laws are in our Constitution and are protected rights.

As far as religion and sexuality, or even smoking...I would protest and try to change things but I would not 'fight for' them. Our constitution clearly states that "Religion shall have no part of government..." (I forget with Article? 23? The Treaty of Tripoly? Forgive my lack of facts at this moment, and spelling...).

Sexuality, I believe, is a personal choice. Smoking is a personal choice. I do believe homosexuals should have the same rights as everyone ,but America still has some growing up to do in that issue.

I've never been denied the right to smoke, unless it was in a dining establishment. However, I can always step outside and light one up.

Respectfully,
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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/26/2006 11:32:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I voted for freakin' everything.  Including the ones for lowered safety standards.  Stupidity should be more painful, and if you're too stupid NOT to wear a helmet or your seatbelt, then you get what you deserve.

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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/27/2006 5:50:05 AM   
twicehappy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

I am waiting for the warning on the inside of a paper bag that says "Placing this paper bag over your head may obstruct your vision and is unsafe to use while walking in traffic."


Why not? Plastic bags are already labeled with a warning that states if you place them on your head suffocation leading to death may occur.

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

So, 4 people have said they would fight for the right to beat each other over the head with giant dildos...  But they don't have the right, as of now.  Will I see you bravely marching on the White House?


Grabbing my giant dildo and joining march.........

quote:

ORIGINAL: VandalHeart

I voted for freakin' everything.  Including the ones for lowered safety standards.  Stupidity should be more painful, and if you're too stupid NOT to wear a helmet or your seatbelt, then you get what you deserve.


AGREED!!!!!!  We are so over protected by big brother now days, a little natural selection might serve to weed out the idiots and eliminate them from the gene pool, survival of the fittest. 

As to wearing a helmet or a seatbelt i think we should have the right to choose. I always wear a seatbelt, when i race i wear 71 pounds of protective gear, but on a Harley i choose to go lidless, mostly because if i lay it down or get side swiped by a moron in a cage who could not see a 700 pound motorcycle i would rather die where i lived, on my bike, than become a vegetable never to taste the wind again.
 
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ORIGINAL: Level

To twice:
 
When you say "fight" do you mean fistfight, or taking up arms?


I mean FIGHT! By whatever means necessary; protesting, marching, voting, if in the end it came to it i would take up arms.

I was raised in a biker type environment from the age of 12, before that i was raised in the old farm lifestyle; both groups were always willing to do what they must to protect their rights and freedoms.

I watched a dear friend spend many years caged for standing up for his beliefs. This country was founded by men and women who took up arms to gain and hold those rights to personal freedom we all hold so dear.

Would i take up arms, DAMN STRAIGHT! 

I have owned my own gun since i was six when my granny taught me to hunt squirrels for the pot. I have carried a gun when i had to in order to protect my brother's backs in full knowledge that in doing so i also became a target.

Fighting does not scare me, dying holds no fear for me. Losing the right to live how i fucking well choose scares the living hell out of me. 

When they outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns.

Remember; Once upon a time this nation as a whole, all of our forefathers as a group were considered outlaws by our then government. And as a people we chose to fight.



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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/27/2006 5:50:43 AM   
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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/27/2006 5:55:33 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: twicehappy

This one is for Merc and beth.

Check off as many freedoms as you would be willing to fight for then feel free to tell us why.



Chose all of them.........and would fight for them all because it is our right.......Gov't does not belong in our homes, schools or anywhere else for that matter....
 
Two examples....the young man in Maryland fighting for his right to alternative treatment for Hodgkins lynphoma and the gov't says his parents are being neglectful and now have partial custody of this 16 yr old...
 
A young girl in Misourri gets thrown out of a mall for wearing a bandana with peace signs on it....the mall owners "Simon Group" say that the bandana would stir up mixed feelings.......
 
 
This administration needs to GET OUT of our lives

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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/27/2006 6:55:19 AM   
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The point I hope to make is you can't be selective. Most "freedoms" are minority positions. Like BDSM, public nudity, are fringe minority.

The best fight to fight is to fight against frauds and hypocrisy. The hard part is to fight a fight on a subject that you personally don't agree, even if the reason isn't relevant to the goal. Smoking is one of these hot button issues. I don't smoke, I don't allow smoking in my home, but laws taking the right of people to do so need to be fought against. If you can't support a freedom being taken away, even if it's something you hate or would never do, it's hypocritical to fight for any other. There are no "bad" freedoms. 

Strictly speaking, the Muslims and the right wing religious are all for freedom as long as it's defined their way. The only freedom they allow is the freedom to agree with them. That's why you can't pick and choose. You either are for freedom, or you don't mind loosing some. You either are for everyones rights to do something or you are against people having any rights.

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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/27/2006 7:12:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Thanks erin!


Wha??? What'd I do?

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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/27/2006 7:31:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Thanks erin!


Wha??? What'd I do?


Whoops! I'm sure I have some reason to thank you, but in this case it was a reference to twicehappy's reference of us.

I guess I was one coffee short of recognizing and identifying proper fairy icon. SORRY! I know all fairies don't all look alike.

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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/27/2006 8:23:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		There are only three I'd really be inclined to "fight" for.  They are:  BDSM, sexuality (although I tend to view these two as pretty much the same thing), and freedom of speech.  While I feel everyone has the right to their own religion, and to be as unsafe as they'd like to be; and while the right to bear arms is written into the constitution, I simply do not feel strongly enough about any of these issues to actually be willing to lay down my life for the right to do it.

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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/27/2006 8:39:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		I voted for all of them - for the very reason that Merc mentioned.  If you are not willing to fight to maintain ALL freedoms it's a tad hypocritical to fight Just for the ones that affect YOU PERSONALLY.
 
It's cliched.  It's been quoted so often that it nauseates a lot of people.  It's out there in several forms.  And yet, despite all that, I'm going to paraphrase it again here.
 
They came for the Jews and I was not a Jew, so I did not protest.
They came for the Gypsies, and I was not a Gypsy, so I did not protest.
They came for the Unionists, and I was not in a Union, so I did not protest.
 
Then they came for ME - and there was no one Left to protest.
 
Rights and Freedoms work the same way.  I often jokingly refer to myself as a Rabid Constitionalist and say that I have no qualms about maintaining my Second Amendment right to bear arms via the very arms they are attempting to strip from me.  It isn't a joke.  Nor is it a joke (though many take it as pure sarcasm) when I tell someone - I will fight, and if need be die, to protect your right to hold the wrong opinion.  After all, just because I will fight to protect your right to hold your opinion doesn't mean that I'm going to pat you on the head and Agree with your opinion.  Fighting for YOUR right to an opinion, or freedom, comes with the Caveat that I'm also fighting for MY right to hold an opinion or exercise a freedom - even one that YOU disagree with.


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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/27/2006 12:23:04 PM   
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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/27/2006 2:31:24 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: hizgeorgiapeach

I voted for all of them - for the very reason that Merc mentioned.  If you are not willing to fight to maintain ALL freedoms it's a tad hypocritical to fight Just for the ones that affect YOU PERSONALLY.
 


I realize I am making an ass of myself, but I do have a few points:

There is a difference between a right and a freedom.  A right is something the law says I have - the right to bear arms.  It says somewhere in your constitution or so that you "Have the right to bear arms."  A freedom is something the law does not decide for me - I have the freedom to paint my gun any colour I want, because the law does not say it has to be a specific colour.  

So when you say you would fight for all freedoms, you say you would fight for the abolishment of all law.  I will assume you meant rights.

All rights is still a lot.  That includes the right to kill someone for insulting your grandmother, and the right to heckle animals at the zoo on Thursdays between 3 and 5 PM.  Granted, these seem obscure, but where do we draw the line?  Why is a certain right "good," and another "silly?"

Also, many rights affect people around you.  Smoking, freedom of speech, the right to own property all affect the freedoms of others.  Smoking affects air quality for others (even if the health risks can be disputed, the stench is still abysmal), freedom of speech means someone can talk about hating black people in the street, and owning property affects my freedom to wander the countryside.

So while the right to BDSM may not hugely affect others, the right to publicly practice BDSM, may.  Not wearing a helmet affects hospitals (positively or negatively I know not, but just to show the ripples) religion may affect others if it involves human sacrifice (Hey, you said all freedoms, not I) and so on.

So to make a long story short, fighting for all rights sounds good, but really, it would fuck up society even more than it is.  Let's pick our battles, and not die fighting for the inalienable right to play naked ping pong left handed on your neighbour's roof on every 16th Saturday of the year.

Over and out.

Edited because, apparently, there's a reason the 26 letters in the English alphabet look different.

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RE: Freedoms you would fight for?(You can pick multiple... - 7/27/2006 3:31:20 PM   
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