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With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 8:11:10 AM

Musicmystery

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Not that I think this is likely -- just playing with the speculation:

"Donald Trump’s disclosure of highly sensitive intelligence to the Russians and reported efforts to shut down the FBI’s investigation into former national security adviser Mike Flynn now shine a spotlight on the next person in line for the presidency. It should be withering, because Vice President Mike Pence (JD, Indiana — Robert H. McKinney School of Law, ’86) is not a solution to Trump. His consistent dishonesty is a central part of the problem America faces."

"As an attorney, Mike Pence has a special awareness that a public servant’s lies can undermine democracy. But such knowledge seems secondary to his political ambitions. When Trump was looking for a running mate, Pence faced the serious prospect of losing re-election as governor because of his extreme positions on social issues."

"Pence’s willingness to lie for Trump knows no bounds. That became even clearer with reports about his central role in the cover-up relating to the firing of FBI Director James Comey."

A lot more: http://billmoyers.com/story/enabling-dangerous-president-pence/

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 8:16:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Not that I think this is likely -- just playing with the speculation:

"Donald Trump’s disclosure of highly sensitive intelligence to the Russians and reported efforts to shut down the FBI’s investigation into former national security adviser Mike Flynn now shine a spotlight on the next person in line for the presidency. It should be withering, because Vice President Mike Pence (JD, Indiana — Robert H. McKinney School of Law, ’86) is not a solution to Trump. His consistent dishonesty is a central part of the problem America faces."

"As an attorney, Mike Pence has a special awareness that a public servant’s lies can undermine democracy. But such knowledge seems secondary to his political ambitions. When Trump was looking for a running mate, Pence faced the serious prospect of losing re-election as governor because of his extreme positions on social issues."

"Pence’s willingness to lie for Trump knows no bounds. That became even clearer with reports about his central role in the cover-up relating to the firing of FBI Director James Comey."

A lot more: http://billmoyers.com/story/enabling-dangerous-president-pence/

Biggest problem with your fantasy is that the Russian thing never happened

The people who were there in the room the whole time debunked the anonymously sourced Amazon Post fake news smear, and Comey testified under oath to the Senate that no one asked him to stop any investigation

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 8:20:23 AM

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"Several members of the Trump campaign — including ex-national security adviser Michael Flynn — had 18 previously undisclosed discussions with Russia in the seven months before the election, multiple sources told Reuters."

It's the lies that get ya.

Clinton got roasted not for feeding Monica his seed, but for lying about it.

Similarly Nixon.

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 8:29:58 AM

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Dont look at me the day of reckoning will be coming to his enablers - how can it not.

what one is Ryan again? House Speaker Paul Ryan said Thursday he sees no reason for Attorney General Jeff Sessions to recuse himself from Russia-related - ah yes - the one the other day who hushed up that "joke" about the Russians paying trump and some senator.

Trump
Pence
Ryan

Fuk that who is next in the pecking order?

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 8:31:27 AM

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Yep.

Then McConnell, then Tillerson.

Then a parade of other cabinet members.

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 8:32:31 AM

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Anyone who really believes that it is even slightly unusual for a presidential transition team to contact foreign governments is either highly delusional or extremely ignorant

And beside the fact that the sharing allegations have been debunked, as Commander-In-Chief the president decides what's secret, and what is to be shared with whom

You leftists really are living in fantasy worlds

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 8:34:41 AM

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1) No, not "debunked"
2) Lied about
3) Under investigation
4) "It's not illegal when the president does it" ~Nixon
5) He wasn't president yet.

And Pence is right in the thick of the lies.

So is Ryan probably, but he's removed from the action, so will come away clean.

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 8:41:26 AM

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McConnell -Nah! Christ on a bike - "One of my proudest moments was when I looked Barack Obama in the eye and I said, 'Mr. President, you will not fill the Supreme Court vacancy etc

In 2012, Tillerson's compensation package was $40.5 million.[37] It was $28.1 million in 2013, $33.1 million in 2014, and $27.2 million in 2015.[38] In late 2016, Tillerson held $54 million of Exxon stock, and had a right to deferred stock worth approximately $180 million over the next 10 years.[39]

On January 3, 2017, ExxonMobil announced they had reached an agreement with Tillerson "to sever all ties with the company to comply with conflict-of-interest requirements associated with his nomination as secretary of state."[40]

Tillerson has ties with President Vladimir Putin of Russia.[6] They have been associates since Tillerson represented Exxon's interests in Russia, the world's largest producer of crude oil, during President Boris Yeltsin's tenure.[27] John Hamre, the President and CEO of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, of which Tillerson is a board member, states that Tillerson "has had more interactive time with Vladimir Putin than probably any other American, with the exception of Dr. Henry Kissinger."[27]

What the fuk America!

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 8:52:08 AM

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Ryan wants the oval office so badly he can taste it but it ain't happenin'.

The best he can hope for is a President Pence and then he could go to the Veep spot and launch a bid from there in 2024.

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 9:00:29 AM

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I've only read up a wee bit on the rest - Pence seems like an extreme nutter.

Tillerson McConnell seem tied to Exxon and Russia - Perhaps Ryan too. And all 4 have been complicit, or tried to obscure any investigations, oh and Pence too. (as well as rumpy trumpy)

Christ we all know Russia tampered with American system (well perhaps not Trump and boscox) and successfully at that. Sure does seem to be a lot of Exxon (and Russian) cash floating about out there.

UK election is on 8th June so they will probably have a bit of a go at that if they can be bothered.

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 9:13:37 AM

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There's still a good chance that Trump will serve the full four years.

I know every rule is made to be broken, but impeachment isn't something that is going to happen right away and there's also a pretty good chance that the Democrats won't win as big as they think in 2018... especially when their entire message is 'we're not Trump'. Unless some sort of undeniable bombshell explodes in Trump's face (and he can't cover it up), that election is going to have a huge effect on whether or not the GOP keeps him around.

FFS the Democrats have already tried 'we're not Trump' and it didn't work! Why are they still doing it?? People actually preferred a message of fascism and insanity to a non-message that implied more of the same neoliberalism that has been ruining the country ever since Reagan started it. There is no reason why they wouldn't also prefer a message of kleptocracy and incompetence. We all know how the RWNJs on this board defend him even as he becomes totally indefensible.

I get that this fucker needs to go, and to be honest if he were shot in the face multiple times, I would rejoice... but how about we get some sort of sign that this isn't the same old Democrats and they're actually listening to people? What about some policies that don't suck? There is absolutely no reason why America can't have a decent left wing party-- the blueprint is Canada/European Social Democracy. That should be the STARTING point, not some far-off dream that is somehow considered un-American.

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 9:23:02 AM

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1) No, not "debunked"
2) Lied about
3) Under investigation
4) "It's not illegal when the president does it" ~Nixon
5) He wasn't president yet.

And Pence is right in the thick of the lies.

So is Ryan probably, but he's removed from the action, so will come away clean.

There were no lies

Just because some leftist hack fake news jockey wasn't in the loop doesn't make it a lie except possibly in your make-believe world

President elects have to prepare, that's called transition

Part of the preparation involves contacting foreign governments because presidents have to deal with foreign governments from day one

It's always been that way, despite your confused fantasies to the contrary

Obamas team transitioned as well, didn't go in blind deaf and dumb, as you idiots would have it

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 9:38:12 AM

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"Several members of the Trump campaign — including ex-national security adviser Michael Flynn — had 18 previously undisclosed discussions with Russia in the seven months before the election, multiple sources told Reuters."

It's the lies that get ya.

Clinton got roasted not for feeding Monica his seed, but for lying about it.

Similarly Nixon.

From your own link:

quote:

Sources familiar with the communications said that so far there's no sign of wrongdoing or collusion.

But by all means, keep describing the fantasy world inside of your head, it is highly entertaining to the rest of us

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 9:39:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Not that I think this is likely -- just playing with the speculation:

"Donald Trump’s disclosure of highly sensitive intelligence to the Russians and reported efforts to shut down the FBI’s investigation into former national security adviser Mike Flynn now shine a spotlight on the next person in line for the presidency. It should be withering, because Vice President Mike Pence (JD, Indiana — Robert H. McKinney School of Law, ’86) is not a solution to Trump. His consistent dishonesty is a central part of the problem America faces."

"As an attorney, Mike Pence has a special awareness that a public servant’s lies can undermine democracy. But such knowledge seems secondary to his political ambitions. When Trump was looking for a running mate, Pence faced the serious prospect of losing re-election as governor because of his extreme positions on social issues."

"Pence’s willingness to lie for Trump knows no bounds. That became even clearer with reports about his central role in the cover-up relating to the firing of FBI Director James Comey."

A lot more: http://billmoyers.com/story/enabling-dangerous-president-pence/

Just so long as Rush Limpdick can't, I don't particularly care which pseudo libertarian piece of shit they replace the current twat with.

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 9:40:26 AM

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Maybe the domino effect will happen and we can get a good spring cleaning.

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 9:43:18 AM

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They are completely fuked, and the UK isn't that far behind them. The more I look at the Republicans, Tory scum bag party, some democrats and lib dems the more I cannot defend there is even a decent one amongst them. No doubt the "billionaire" the guy with $200 million in Exxon shares etc have the people at heart

They are effectively controlled buy big business or self interests or both

The systems you mentioned seem to work fine else where and I am equally aware of how the UK performs in many of the ranking tables - usually a little better than America.

So is it a problem with the US & UK system or a problem with some people and how they perceive the world (like you know who - that one is gone by the way and then some)

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 9:44:08 AM

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keep describing the fantasy world inside of your head, it is highly entertaining to the rest of us

Actually, I think it's the prosecutor who will be entertaining Trump's fantasy world.

Trump himself fanned this. It's not going away, even IF there's nothing.

And Pence has lapped it up every step of the way.

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 9:45:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Not that I think this is likely -- just playing with the speculation:

"Donald Trump’s disclosure of highly sensitive intelligence to the Russians and reported efforts to shut down the FBI’s investigation into former national security adviser Mike Flynn now shine a spotlight on the next person in line for the presidency. It should be withering, because Vice President Mike Pence (JD, Indiana — Robert H. McKinney School of Law, ’86) is not a solution to Trump. His consistent dishonesty is a central part of the problem America faces."

"As an attorney, Mike Pence has a special awareness that a public servant’s lies can undermine democracy. But such knowledge seems secondary to his political ambitions. When Trump was looking for a running mate, Pence faced the serious prospect of losing re-election as governor because of his extreme positions on social issues."

"Pence’s willingness to lie for Trump knows no bounds. That became even clearer with reports about his central role in the cover-up relating to the firing of FBI Director James Comey."

A lot more: http://billmoyers.com/story/enabling-dangerous-president-pence/

Just so long as Rush Limpdick can't, I don't particularly care which pseudo libertarian piece of shit they replace the current twat with.

Except that Ryan isn't stupid -- he's evil.

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 9:47:08 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

quote:

ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Not that I think this is likely -- just playing with the speculation:

"Donald Trump’s disclosure of highly sensitive intelligence to the Russians and reported efforts to shut down the FBI’s investigation into former national security adviser Mike Flynn now shine a spotlight on the next person in line for the presidency. It should be withering, because Vice President Mike Pence (JD, Indiana — Robert H. McKinney School of Law, ’86) is not a solution to Trump. His consistent dishonesty is a central part of the problem America faces."

"As an attorney, Mike Pence has a special awareness that a public servant’s lies can undermine democracy. But such knowledge seems secondary to his political ambitions. When Trump was looking for a running mate, Pence faced the serious prospect of losing re-election as governor because of his extreme positions on social issues."

"Pence’s willingness to lie for Trump knows no bounds. That became even clearer with reports about his central role in the cover-up relating to the firing of FBI Director James Comey."

A lot more: http://billmoyers.com/story/enabling-dangerous-president-pence/

Just so long as Rush Limpdick can't, I don't particularly care which pseudo libertarian piece of shit they replace the current twat with.

Except that Ryan isn't stupid -- he's evil.

And Pence and the current mouthbreather aren't?
Republican and evil have gone together since the '70s, sadly.

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RE: With Pence tainted too, will Ryan become president? - 5/19/2017 9:48:27 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

"Several members of the Trump campaign — including ex-national security adviser Michael Flynn — had 18 previously undisclosed discussions with Russia in the seven months before the election, multiple sources told Reuters."

It's the lies that get ya.

Clinton got roasted not for feeding Monica his seed, but for lying about it.

Similarly Nixon.

From your own link:

quote:

Sources familiar with the communications said that so far there's no sign of wrongdoing or collusion.

But by all means, keep describing the fantasy world inside of your head, it is highly entertaining to the rest of us

who do you suppose the sources familiar with the communications are? Russians? More Il Douchovitch commie goons and thugs? Someone else who was there illegally obviously.

By all means describe the felchgobbling nutsuckerism in your head, we all like to laugh at you retarded nutsuckers. Casts a wider net. You're stupid, and talk into microphones.

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