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stef -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 9:37:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I don't know what you guys are talking about.

Alert the media.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 9:47:41 AM)

Salman Abedi, 22, has been named by police as the suspected suicide bomber who killed 22 people and injured 59 at Manchester Arena on Monday night.
The BBC understands he was Manchester born and from a family of Libyan origin.

Abedi had not been identified by the coroner so no further details would be given, Greater Manchester Police said.

So far three victims have been named - Saffie Rose Roussos, eight, Georgina Callande and 28-year-old John Atkinson.

Abedi, who has at least three siblings, had lived at several addresses in Manchester, including a property at Elsmore Road, Fallowfield, which was earlier raided by police.

Greater Manchester Police Chief Constable Ian Hopkins said two warrants at two addresses had been carried out, including one where a controlled explosion had been used to gain "safe" access.




PeonForHer -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 9:58:09 AM)

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Peon touched on something in essence it was the Irish Troubles - I think about 3500 were killed during those. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles I am not qualified to talk about that mess but in essence it was Catholic v protestant


The two sides were protestant and catholic, yes. But this division was only a part of it: religion had become a politicised and militarised thing in Northern Ireland for reasons that were centuries-old. It would be a pointless exercise to start searching through the differing religious underpinnings of protestantism and catholicism with the aim to find all the root causes of that frigging awful mess.




PeonForHer -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 10:02:58 AM)


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Tweeted by one Mancunian

Muslim taxi drivers giving free lifts, Sikh temples giving food & beds, locals giving blood in the morning. Proud to call Manchester home


I love that sort of stuff. Really causes a glow, doesn't it?

Meanwhile, a fund was set up (sadly, just closed at 6.00 pm) in order to put a big wedge behind the bar at a pub called the Turing Tap, close to the Manchester Royal Infirmary. The docs, nurses and paramedics can get some freebie drinks after no doubt arduous and harrowing stints.




PeonForHer -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 10:08:55 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I am amazed at that, that wouldnt go on here.


The old 'Dunkirk Spirit'. People still invoke that term, even now.




tamaka -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 11:06:27 AM)

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Comment by the Secretary General of the Muslim Council of Britain, Harun Khan:

“My thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families.

“This is horrific, this is criminal. May the perpetrators face the full weight of justice both in this life and the next.

“I pay tribute to the police and emergency services who have worked valiantly to save lives last night.

“They were helped by civilians who rushed in to offer their support.

“I urge all those in the region and around the country to pool together to support those affected.”

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3628055/manchester-arena-bombing-muslim-council-britain-latest/


Ahhh... i knew Peon would let us know when the fruitbasket arrived.

Unfortunately the nuts they include are the same one as the suicide bomber. I wouldn't eat them if i were you. But you're not that smart.




BamaD -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 11:13:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874

If my sympathy does any good Peon, you've got it; you and all the people this has affected.

I should have known it would be you. You are right, this is no time to attack peon, everyone from the UK deserves a little space right now.




BamaD -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 11:19:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

I am going to say Islamic extremists.

And considering I have an old and dear friend living in Manchester, I have already sent out an email and made one phone call, with no answer, went direct to voice mail.


If it were the religion of peace, their extremists would be extremely peaceful

They're Muslim fundamentalists. True believers of the cult teachings. Assuming that it was a suicide bomber (likely), a martyr in the name of Allah and believed to be enjoying fantastic rewards now and forever



The bomber probably figured he'd take some of those virgins he is promised with him. Nutcase religion.

Hey . . . Bush, Obama, Trump said we are not at war with Islam. Who ya gonna believe?

Being at war with Islamic extremists and being at war with Islam.
We are not at war with Islam.
We were at war wit Islamic extremists (or at least they were at war with us) better that 20 years before a president admitted it.




BamaD -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 11:24:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Chaska

Maybe, just maybe, if we stop the finger pointing and REALLY start LISTENING to each other the world will be a better place. Albeit, considering the current political environment I don't see it happening. Welcome to reality folks.



There are entertainment venues and soft target shopping malls all over the world. Sadly, they cannot be protected 100% of the time. But the troops are getting better. Tonight's bomb did not go off inside the arena. And oh yeah, people are listening. If Trump would just shut the fuck up and let our intel people do their jobs.

That has been going on as far back as Carter. He would domthe oppositeb of what our information said and then blame it on us(in this case us = NSA). And who can forget the video.




Greta75 -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 11:24:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BamaD
I should have known it would be you. You are right, this is no time to attack peon, everyone from the UK deserves a little space right now.

It's not about attacking Peon. But more about, if their logic about just because some Muslims did some good things, thus it means that Islam is peaceful.

Then they got no right to find fault with people who say Islam is not peaceful, because some Muslims did some bad things.

I am interpreting from the teachings of their religion and NOT the actions of the people.

Tmw if a White Supremacist save the life of a Black Man. I am still not gonna say being White Supremacist is peaceful.




PeonForHer -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 11:35:56 AM)

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Then they got no right to find fault with people who say Islam is not peaceful, because some Muslims did some bad things.


I don't know how this straw man got born and I sure as hell don't know how he apparently bonked a straw woman in order to breed a race of straw giants .... For the record: I've never argued that Islam is either a violent religion or a peaceful religion. That entire argument - both sides of it - are a nonsense to me.




BamaD -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 11:41:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: longwayhome


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ORIGINAL: longwayhome

Really, Boscox?

People have died at the hands of a fucked-up terrorist.

British citizens of all faiths and no faith have been actively involved in dealing with the casualties and condemning the attack.

Thanks for your unique view of Islam at a time when a nation is coming to terms with this event, but I think the people of Manchester have more important things on their minds at the moment.


Is it true that Ariana Grande is a pro-refugee, pro-Muslim, anti-Trump, anti-American, woman's march organizer and raging liberal?


I don't think being anti-Trump, going on women's marches and being a liberal makes her anti-American, but you clearly think so.

That said - why is Ariana Grande's politics relevant to 22 people, including an eight year old girl, being murdered in central Manchester?

What has happened is what so often happens some monster kills (in this case) 22 innocent people.It doesn't matter what their rae or religion is they are a monster. And what do we doo, we tear into each other, ad try to score political points. We should focus on who did this. We, by fighting each other , are doing exactly what he wants.

Longway, I now this is aimed at you but it is more intended as support and expansion of what you are saying.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 12:35:48 PM)

i know ;) its more complex. But that is the gist.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 12:37:59 PM)

I thought you lot shot each other faster than you can breed?




tamaka -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 12:52:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: longwayhome


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: longwayhome

Really, Boscox?

People have died at the hands of a fucked-up terrorist.

British citizens of all faiths and no faith have been actively involved in dealing with the casualties and condemning the attack.

Thanks for your unique view of Islam at a time when a nation is coming to terms with this event, but I think the people of Manchester have more important things on their minds at the moment.


Is it true that Ariana Grande is a pro-refugee, pro-Muslim, anti-Trump, anti-American, woman's march organizer and raging liberal?


I don't think being anti-Trump, going on women's marches and being a liberal makes her anti-American, but you clearly think so.

That said - why is Ariana Grande's politics relevant to 22 people, including an eight year old girl, being murdered in central Manchester?

What has happened is what so often happens some monster kills (in this case) 22 innocent people.It doesn't matter what their rae or religion is they are a monster. And what do we doo, we tear into each other, ad try to score political points. We should focus on who did this. We, by fighting each other , are doing exactly what he wants.

Longway, I now this is aimed at you but it is more intended as support and expansion of what you are saying.



Whi did this is someone who learned the teachings of the Quran and folliwed through.




jlf1961 -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 1:03:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX



You are so blind

Do your manuals tell US soldiers that if they slaughter little girls at pop concerts they will have those little girls as sex slaves forever

No?

Then stfu about war manuals, they do not pertain


I was referring to the items used as shrapnel in the bomb, you fucking idiot.


However, for a bit of further education, you fucking moron, those manuals were provided to the Afghan rebels we supported during the Soviet Occupation of Afghanistan.

In other words you fucking idiot, 70% of the IED's that have been used against us AND strapped to suicide bombers came out of training we gave them, including mixing up explosives from shit you can buy at your local grocery store.

That was my fucking point.

In other words, Bosco, during the cold war, the United States government trained god knows how many Muslims and others who were fighting Reagan's 'Evil Empire,' or any communist regime on the planet.

Or how about this, the guy that designed the truck bomb in the first World Trade Center attack probably learned his trade from a US Army demo instructor in Pakistan to use against the Soviets.

So they do pertain, at least in the design.

As far as the ideological point you tried to raise, the only difference between a suicide bomber at a pop concert and a drone strike on a village killing non combatants, or a air strike on Baghdad, or a cruise missile strike on some terrorist training center surrounded by non combatants is purely inconsequential.

From our perspective, we are fighting a war on terrorism, from the perspective of the kid that just say his mom blown to hell from a cruise missile strike to take out a terrorist training camp, we are the terrorists.

That is the point that you and so many like you dont seem to grasp. It does not matter that Muslim family may not be supporting the terrorists living in their village, hell they may not even want to be there, but when they are being used as a human shield, it dont matter.

After a strike all some one has to do is point to the dead bodies and tell them that the United States does not care who they kill when they are trying to kill a particular person or take out a group.

More to the point, the United States involvement in the middle east since the creation of Israel (and the United Kingdom's for that matter, as well as every other country that supported Israel) is the reason we are now targets.

How about the simple fact that WE, the United States supported Saddam Hussein in his war with Iran, hell we were supplying most of his hardware up until he started using it against his own people, then we stopped and he went to the Soviets for military hardware.







BoscoX -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 1:17:16 PM)

The blind man lashes out, blindly [:D]




mnottertail -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 1:20:17 PM)

You need not give us the blow by blow of your felchgobbling, compound gimp. We see it.




WhoreMods -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 1:26:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

The blind man lashes out, blindly [:D]

So what's he wrong about then, monkeyboy?




WickedsDesire -> RE: Explosions At Manchester Concert (5/23/2017 1:59:37 PM)

They did notice - you may have noticed




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