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MrRodgers -> RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? (5/25/2017 3:01:51 PM)


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Yeah, the W nutsuckers were browned off about that, werent they? They had set up for their buddies to rebuild the destruction and take the profits.



Halliburton did pretty damn well off it.


Haliburton has contracts with or without war

To suggest that we went to war for a few dollars more is just ignorant. The worst kind of hate mongering stupidity

Halliburton made made billion$ on Iraqi oil infrastructure and security alone and on no-bid exclusive contracts. Cheney got his wish there.



MrRodgers -> RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? (5/25/2017 3:04:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: BoscoX


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Yeah, the W nutsuckers were browned off about that, werent they? They had set up for their buddies to rebuild the destruction and take the profits.



Halliburton did pretty damn well off it.


Haliburton has contracts with or without war

To suggest that we went to war for a few dollars more is just ignorant. The worst kind of hate mongering stupidity

OK, then, WHY did we invade Iraq the second time?
Was it to satisfy Dubya's friends in "da AWL BIDNESS" or was it because Dubya had a hardon because Hussein laughed at his Daddy?

As for going to war for a few dollars, that's EXACTLY why we have been going to war in various places since just after fucking Korea.
Even Eisenhower warned about it back in 61.

According to former Gen. Smedley Butler, since 1898 and the Spanish - American war...'War is a Racket'



Real0ne -> RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? (5/25/2017 7:43:48 PM)


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There is an element of Islamic Fundamentalism that cavorts yet in the sewer of ancient history who will always be fatally aggressive to the West. We are not likely to finish them off. Malthus leans against it. Their world is overcrowded and undernourished and so easily recruited to theocratic violence.


yeh unlike our civilized world that loots and burns down buildings when their candidate loses the electoin. [8|]



vincentML -> RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? (5/25/2017 9:34:22 PM)

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According to former Gen. Smedley Butler, since 1898 and the Spanish - American war...'War is a Racket'


Spanish-American War? That was a walk in the park. Just a warm-up for the horrors of the 20th Century. I get the basic point, I really do, but the World Wars and the exponential killing power of the machines that came along diminish Butler's idea to a bumper slogan. We can repeat it in a casual tone because we North Americans have never been in the killing fields, in the bomb sights. We have not been under bombardment. We only see the destruction of cities in films. We never feel them, hear them, smell them, or with luck walk amongst the rubble between the shells of buildings. We don't know war. And that's why our stupid pols are going to slide us into a disaster, into a rain of missiles like we have never imagined.

Or, maybe not. :::shrugs




WickedsDesire -> RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? (5/26/2017 5:16:58 AM)

The Spanish had a right good go at wiping out South America, they burnt and destroyed everything as they viewed them as Godless savages. They were however unable to damage some of their more impressive megalithic structures and came to realise, eventually, well some of them, there must have truly been vast and greater civilisations than the Spanish to have..or from wiki The motivations for colonial expansion were trade and the spread of the Catholic faith through indigenous conversions. I am not sure any writing exists - perhaps 4 codex's and I think that is it.

Te destruction of written text and iconoclastic structures: statutes, effigies seems to be the in thing

So that was 1500's-1600's and too put that in perspective if you are aged 50(47) it is only 12 lifetime spans ago which isn't that long

Then I can use the most recent example I know the Irish troubles which have only recently died down 3500 dead over the last 40ish years. Too complicated for me to explain but in essence it was Catholic V Protestant and if any of you know what the olde firm football game is then a lot of the hatred i still there. hate for hate as most as unaware of the full history.

Ethnic cleansing genocide - you could argue is the same religious based, or a certain ideology enforced.

So its always been around, still is, and thats just a couple of recent random examples to put it into perspective. They are rarely mentioned in the context of ISIS and that ilk, or Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler

You can easily argue the West intervention created these trouble, or heightened them to an extent rarely witnessed in the modern epoch.

So is it getting worse or better - its a simple question.

I Just read a bit today from Jeremy Corbyn and well read for yourself http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40053427

he is actually right in a many ways. What we are currently doing is not working and yet the opposition are trying to pillored(not sure thats the right spelling) him for that - tuts




vincentML -> RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? (5/26/2017 5:29:45 AM)

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You can easily argue the West intervention created these trouble, or heightened them to an extent rarely witnessed in the modern epoch.

So is it getting worse or better - its a simple question.


Getting worse. That is an easy verdict. The principle issue, I have become convinced, is the desire for natural resources available in "inconvenient" places. My guess is that greed and need trump religion as motivators, the latter simply a cover for the former.
Interestingly, the current Chinese expansion is done without cover or excuse.



WickedsDesire -> RE: WAR ON TERROR CONFUSED MUCH? (5/26/2017 6:13:00 AM)

Its getting worse.
You can also lob in the more desperate people get the more desperate they become (or worse they become).
There are many atrocities in some African countries that rarely, if ever, make the news, and their deaths tolls are impressive.

I've no solutions or real ideas - you cant say here is land for your caliphate in you go (wall it off I would). Many there would not be there by choice or free will, and that doesn't include conditioned ones, or ones there through fear and terror.

You cant say more of your leaders, community speak out, and I wish that they would
1. Catholic v Protestant years Yugoslavia anyone remember that?
a. The point being many of their secular leaders have the complete samish interpretation - yet opposing interpretations of bits, eg Shiite V Sunnis (and even within those groups there will be factions and splinters)
b. After e g that Spanish thing i was talking about I would need to think - Catholicism in Africa was the next kinda crusade
c. Christianity was still burning witches and scientists etc up to what the 1700-1800s. But we have seemed to have settled down now, I think (irish troubles aside seems to be the last one I remember - 3500 deeded in that one)
2. Control the people of your own religion - who controlled our lands up to 1700s ish. The church is who, not best to be in charge methinks - and that is what they effectively have and therein lies the problem.

The strategists will know all of this and much more

So the current solution they opt for seems to be economic and conflict, pit one side against another, take their cash, as long as they are fighting, or worried about each other, they wont bother us (expand their sphere), or they can destroy each other, first, then we will control, or destroy the remnants




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