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tamaka -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/27/2017 10:42:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka You would have thought Obama would have cared about these issues. But i think it is great that Trump is dealing with it. Please fill the rest of us in on how Trump is 'dealing' with the gang situation. Look it up yourself.

Milesnmiles -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/30/2017 4:14:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles I thought I give the forum chance to talk about something other than Trump. I was just looking something up on the internet and again noticed the comment that a “higher” percentage of “blacks” are killed or jailed than their percentage in the population in general. And once again I thought since when does that matter? I mean are police really supposed to think; I arrested a “black man” for a crime now I have to arrest 16 “white men” for crimes before I can arrest another “black man”? What if “white men” aren’t living up to their percentages for crime? Are the police to let “black criminals” “slide” until “white men” bring up their crime percentages? If a policeman is being attacked and fears for his life is he really supposed to stop and think; oh, wait have 16 “white men” been shot since the last “black man” because if not I’ll just have to let this “black man” beat me unconscious? To answer your question; Yes, the general rule is that at least 4 million property crime convictions have to be on record the year occurring, before one investment banker or hedge fund manager or equity fund partner or court-appointed trustee shyster lawyer even sees a court hearing for his/her transgressions, more often than not that likely being all there is to it, for costing numerous people half their retirement fund and/or half the estate and/or stealing their house by fraud and/or causing economic upheaval costing 50,000 or more jobs, by himself. A bit of a crimp got put in that formula when the financial crisis came along, costing ~ 4 million jobs (absolute lowest estimate) and ~ $3 trillion (absolute lowest estimate) and there were, lo and behold, actually five or eight bankers who did jail time out of all that. And the poor-fuck burglars couldn't keep up, to hold the formula intact. Burglaries of so many foreclosed houses didn't do much for anybody. But it really really screwed up the ratio numbers in any case, because not enough convictions out of that. So then; "What am I supposed to do? Arrest another 600,000 burglars before I arrest the next banker?" I can see your plight, here. I'm not sure what you're even trying to say here. The OP is about crime percentages verses population percentages, not how expensive the crimes were in monetary values per crime. If you want to use bankers, okay you say 5 to 8 bankers did time, let's say 100 bankers did the crimes and all of them "white", that is still only 100 criminals no matter how far reaching their crimes were and that is still a small percentage per population. What I'm saying is crime is crime, whether it is burglary or fraud and all should punished equally and no consideration should be made for what ethnic/cultural group the person is from or what percentage of a particular ethnic/cultural should be arrested before another ethnic/cultural can be arrested.

BamaD -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/30/2017 12:43:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka Trump wants to help the inner cities doesn't he? And that will cut these things more than anything. They will have to break the gangs to help the inner cities. Yes and he's already going after the gangs. Yes, and they are the bigest problem. Businesses won't go where gangs rule. You would have thought Obama would have cared about these issues. But i think it is great that Trump is dealing with it. I am glad someone is.

bounty44 -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/30/2017 1:37:01 PM)
the real question at hand is, all else being equal given any particular crime with the exception of skin color, are races differently represented when it comes to arrest and incarceration.

BamaD -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/30/2017 2:34:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 the real question at hand is, all else being equal given any particular crime with the exception of skin color, are races differently represented when it comes to arrest and incarceration. And the answer is no, white people are far more likely to be shot than people of other races.

MercTech -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/30/2017 4:00:32 PM)
What does it mean when people of color account for a low percentage of a population but over 50% conviction and incarceration. Far left: Evidence of systematic racial discrimination. Far right: Patent evidence of the dysfunctional culture of the races of color. Reality will be found somewhere in between. When you have a racially homogeneous area of a city that constitutes the source of most of the crime; the police will profile the race living in the high crime area.

BamaD -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/30/2017 4:17:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech What does it mean when people of color account for a low percentage of a population but over 50% conviction and incarceration. Far left: Evidence of systematic racial discrimination. Far right: Patent evidence of the dysfunctional culture of the races of color. Reality will be found somewhere in between. When you have a racially homogeneous area of a city that constitutes the source of most of the crime; the police will profile the race living in the high crime area. There are many problems with the situation. Few having to do directly with race. You can see from the people on here that many insist that no matter what a black man does the police will kill him. This pushes black men to more agressive/violent responses to the police.

bounty44 -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/30/2017 5:29:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 the real question at hand is, all else being equal given any particular crime with the exception of skin color, are races differently represented when it comes to arrest and incarceration. And the answer is no, white people are far more likely to be shot than people of other races. bama, that's really not an answer to the question I posed.

Termyn8or -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/30/2017 7:06:01 PM)
FR 1. They are not smart enough to gt away withit. I know Whites who dealt drugs for decades and retired on the money, never ever got busted. 2. They are not smart enough to know how to deal with the cops when they get busted. Look Man, when you outweigh the cop by 100 pounds and are a foot taller, you best be calm or you spook the cops. What, you think they're brave or something ? Shit, it takes alot of stupidity. Even see an incident where ONE cop beats someone up ? Nope, it is a guy handcuffed on the ground getting kicked by like five o f them. Just remember Tyrone or whatever, that cop is scared shitless and has a gun and can legally kill you with it. Then he gets a paid vacation. 3. They are not smart enough to deal with the courts, and they also seem to be poor at picking lawyers. For example, whenever the court tells you that you must sign something, it is a lie. If you had to sign you wouldn't have to sign. Like the cops will tell you it is illegal to lie to them. Sure, when it comes to identification. But not anything else unless you are under oath. The cops lie, the courts lie, and those people just do not know the law. They don't teach civics anymore. Who knows that if you don't make bail they must have you on trial within so many days ? Yet people sign that waiver of time like it means nothing. Put them under the gun, don't give them the time to find or make more evidence against you fucking nitwit. Heaven or whatever help you if you are actually innocent. T^T

BamaD -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/30/2017 7:59:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 the real question at hand is, all else being equal given any particular crime with the exception of skin color, are races differently represented when it comes to arrest and incarceration. And the answer is no, white people are far more likely to be shot than people of other races. bama, that's really not an answer to the question I posed. Ok, is this more to the point? Blacks are more likely to be protaryed as victims and are more likely to have anything that makes them look bad left out. If you mean in the courts I haven't spent much time in court, but I do know that minorities are well represented in the juries.

tamaka -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/30/2017 8:19:24 PM)
They are still a somewhat wild race that haven't been tamed yet. That's the problem. Whites overall have been tamed for many many generations.

bounty44 -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/31/2017 6:03:11 AM)
imagine a person of a particular skin color has an interaction with the police. there may or may not be an arrest. if there is an arrest, there may or may not be an incarceration. now go back in time, change the person's skin color, and compare the subsequent event to the prior one. if there is a difference between how the two events unfold in terms of arrests and incarcerations, then something is at play that may be, and likely is, related to skin color. that may be the "systemic or institutional racism" that merc mentioned above. since we don't have time machines, the best we can do is to be able to control/account for as many variables as possible and compare situations as similar as can be.

BamaD -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/31/2017 7:05:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 imagine a person of a particular skin color has an interaction with the police. there may or may not be an arrest. if there is an arrest, there may or may not be an incarceration. now go back in time, change the person's skin color, and compare the subsequent event to the prior one. if there is a difference between how the two events unfold in terms of arrests and incarcerations, then something is at play that may be, and likely is, related to skin color. that may be the "systemic or institutional racism" that merc mentioned above. since we don't have time machines, the best we can do is to be able to control/account for as many variables as possible and compare situations as similar as can be. The problem is that no two cases are exactly the same. Particularly in the eyes of the people who do the study

Edwird -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/31/2017 7:13:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles quote: ORIGINAL: Edwird quote: ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles I thought I give the forum chance to talk about something other than Trump. I was just looking something up on the internet and again noticed the comment that a “higher” percentage of “blacks” are killed or jailed than their percentage in the population in general. And once again I thought since when does that matter? I mean are police really supposed to think; I arrested a “black man” for a crime now I have to arrest 16 “white men” for crimes before I can arrest another “black man”? What if “white men” aren’t living up to their percentages for crime? Are the police to let “black criminals” “slide” until “white men” bring up their crime percentages? If a policeman is being attacked and fears for his life is he really supposed to stop and think; oh, wait have 16 “white men” been shot since the last “black man” because if not I’ll just have to let this “black man” beat me unconscious? To answer your question; Yes, the general rule is that at least 4 million property crime convictions have to be on record the year occurring, before one investment banker or hedge fund manager or equity fund partner or court-appointed trustee shyster lawyer even sees a court hearing for his/her transgressions, more often than not that likely being all there is to it, for costing numerous people half their retirement fund and/or half the estate and/or stealing their house by fraud and/or causing economic upheaval costing 50,000 or more jobs, by himself. A bit of a crimp got put in that formula when the financial crisis came along, costing ~ 4 million jobs (absolute lowest estimate) and ~ $3 trillion (absolute lowest estimate) and there were, lo and behold, actually five or eight bankers who did jail time out of all that. And the poor-fuck burglars couldn't keep up, to hold the formula intact. Burglaries of so many foreclosed houses didn't do much for anybody. But it really really screwed up the ratio numbers in any case, because not enough convictions out of that. So then; "What am I supposed to do? Arrest another 600,000 burglars before I arrest the next banker?" I can see your plight, here. I'm not sure what you're even trying to say here. I didn't think you would. The OP itself is evidence enough that it's beyond your capacity to figure out, after much contemplation on the matter, anything of consequence beyond taking note of the fact that the ground is made of dirt. I just responded for the general audience. quote: The OP is about crime percentages verses population percentages, Your OP is about percentages, while you now you say percentages shouldn't matter. Got it. quote: not how expensive the crimes were in monetary values per crime. Right. So it's only in sense of justice that you find yourself incensed when, on the rarest of occasion, someone stealing millions in home equity and retirement accounts gets a sentence three months longer than a shoplifter. Got it. quote: What I'm saying is crime is crime, whether it is burglary or fraud and all should punished equally and no consideration should be made for what ethnic/cultural group the person is from or what percentage of a particular ethnic/cultural should be arrested before another ethnic/cultural can be arrested. Shoplifters doing time for the crime while mega-fraudsters get away to the Bahamas is the bucket of cold water reality in your face here, bro. Having 65-70% of congress and 95% of CEOs and VP managers of oil/mega-bank/defense contractors arrested and jailed long-term would ultimately be a great thing, but we can't do it all at once. We have to take it by steps.

bounty44 -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/31/2017 7:23:56 PM)
yes, of course they are not because we live in a world where there are too many variables to be controlled and accounted for. however, that can still be done in a meaningful way such that race can be discussed, that is, to find out IF differences actually exist---in fact, its the ONLY way race can be truly and meaningfully discussed. within a study, researchers would be in agreement on terms but yes, between studies terms would likely find some variation. that's why critical reading is important.

Edwird -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/31/2017 7:58:48 PM)
We could allot more grants to Phd's and post grad's endeavors into whatever modern-day variant of phrenology, or, we could rather spend the money on further investigation of the economics that pursue and sometimes accomplish to a degree what works best for a given society in various circumstances. Evolution of humans hangs in the balance, here.

BamaD -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/31/2017 8:03:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bounty44 yes, of course they are not because we live in a world where there are too many variables to be controlled and accounted for. however, that can still be done in a meaningful way such that race can be discussed, that is, to find out IF differences actually exist---in fact, its the ONLY way race can be truly and meaningfully discussed. within a study, researchers would be in agreement on terms but yes, between studies terms would likely find some variation. that's why critical reading is important. They have done studies which show that per encounter a white person is far more likely to be injured by a cop than a black person.

Edwird -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (5/31/2017 8:08:35 PM)
Germans don't export more per capita than the US because they are white. Plenty of Turks and others there, to begin with. They export more than the US because they are less stupid than the whites in the US, more than anything. Their free education up to end of 10th grade is more valuable to an employer than a useless US 12 yr. High School "diploma" (what a joke) to begin with. But anyway it's still free up to 12 years of grundshule plus whatever fachshule or hauptshule or total 13 yrs. of GS+ Gymnasium. Their uni education is not 100% free, but it's cheap enough that they don't come out of it owing $80,000 to banks. So their early paychecks go directly back into the economy rather than being sucked up by the banks for 5-10 yrs., as in the US. No country in the world is 'smart,' as a country. But there are some who are less stupid. I hope the US gets there, to that 'less stupid' echelon, someday.

thishereboi -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (6/6/2017 2:51:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech What does it mean when people of color account for a low percentage of a population but over 50% conviction and incarceration. Far left: Evidence of systematic racial discrimination. Far right: Patent evidence of the dysfunctional culture of the races of color. Reality will be found somewhere in between. When you have a racially homogeneous area of a city that constitutes the source of most of the crime; the police will profile the race living in the high crime area. In Detroit it means people of color account for the majority of people who live there and it stands to reason they will also account for the majority of the arrests.

thishereboi -> RE: A higher percentage of Black killed and jailed? (6/6/2017 2:56:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tamaka They are still a somewhat wild race that haven't been tamed yet. That's the problem. Whites overall have been tamed for many many generations. [8\|] Words fail me....please say you are just trolling for reactions and not really this ignorant.

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