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Sexual Compromises - 5/27/2017 7:36:05 AM   
Greta75


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So, I was talking today with someone about my view on sexual compromises.

Basically, I was saying, a normal couple, meets each other, really really like each other. Starts sexually interacting. From there, they start to know what each other enjoy in bed.

But what happens is, perhaps while love is strong, honeymoon period.

What happens is, even if they don't like the same things. Each party will take turn to do what gives the other person pleasure whether they enjoy that themselves or not.

I consider that a little bit of fragmented sex. Doing something to give your partner pleasure even though you don't really enjoy it yourself, but because you care enough about your partner to give him or her what they need.

But I think this is practically what sexual compromises mean in most relationships with sex involve.

I think what I call "fragmented" sex can get into some form of trouble when honeymoon period is over, because usually when the "honeymoon" fades. Real effort starts needed to be put in.

This means that, when the shine is over, it may take alot more effort to try to sexually please your partner doing the things you don't really enjoy for the sake of him or her.

I was just saying to someone that, that is not the type of sex I want to ever have with someone.

I want genuine mutual sexual enjoyment. Not taking turns to give each other pleasure.

But of course, the way I want it to be will be extremely difficult to pair, because you basically have to find someone who enjoys all the same precise things as you.

In BDSM context, a sub may go along with alot of things the dom loves but she may not enjoy as she wants to make him happy and please him. In return, the dom who is pleased at her devotion may occasionally indulge the sub as a reward at his own discretion, something she really enjoy that he doesn't care so much for. That's the whole idea of compromise.

But not compromising to me means that, for example. Let's say if a dominant isn't into inflicting pain at all. He doesn't enjoy it. But the sub loves pain. And occasionally the dominant indulge the sub in what she loves because he decided to be nice about it.

But I feel that my enjoyment is significantly lessen IF whatever the man does, he does not enjoy. I mean if a dominant is not whipping because it brings him pleasure. But simply because he knows I enjoy it. That sucks! But if he is whipping me because that's one thing he absolutely enjoy doing. And that is also one thing I absolutely enjoy being on the receiving end of. That seriously take the whole feeling up to a different level.

That mutual enjoyment! Watching a man enjoy what you enjoy. Enjoying it together in harmony, insync as one!

I guess my point is, sexual and bdsm compatibility seriously makes a crazy difference in how both parties will enjoy each other.

So you know, sometimes when a dominant gets like very upset and disappointment in pre-negotiation with a sub, that she is not okay with this and that.

It's like, why would he even want to force it? Or even get upset about it? Doesn't fit, Next!

Same with a submissive, can't make the top do what he don't enjoy doing to you!

The right compatibility is very hard, but when ya find it, it's gonna be amazing!

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/27/2017 8:29:46 PM   
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I learned to do things like fisting and needles to please girls I have dated in the past.

I still keep those in my arsenal. And I would be just as happy to try other things that were in my comfort zones.

I get slightly outside of my usual self, listening to things that excite her.

It's nice.

Focus.

Energy. Imagination most of all.

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/27/2017 9:05:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

So, I was talking today with someone about my view on sexual compromises.

Basically, I was saying, a normal couple, meets each other, really really like each other. Starts sexually interacting. From there, they start to know what each other enjoy in bed.

But what happens is, perhaps while love is strong, honeymoon period.

What happens is, even if they don't like the same things. Each party will take turn to do what gives the other person pleasure whether they enjoy that themselves or not.

I consider that a little bit of fragmented sex. Doing something to give your partner pleasure even though you don't really enjoy it yourself, but because you care enough about your partner to give him or her what they need.

But I think this is practically what sexual compromises mean in most relationships with sex involve.

I think what I call "fragmented" sex can get into some form of trouble when honeymoon period is over, because usually when the "honeymoon" fades. Real effort starts needed to be put in.

This means that, when the shine is over, it may take alot more effort to try to sexually please your partner doing the things you don't really enjoy for the sake of him or her.

I was just saying to someone that, that is not the type of sex I want to ever have with someone.

I want genuine mutual sexual enjoyment. Not taking turns to give each other pleasure.

But of course, the way I want it to be will be extremely difficult to pair, because you basically have to find someone who enjoys all the same precise things as you.

In BDSM context, a sub may go along with alot of things the dom loves but she may not enjoy as she wants to make him happy and please him. In return, the dom who is pleased at her devotion may occasionally indulge the sub as a reward at his own discretion, something she really enjoy that he doesn't care so much for. That's the whole idea of compromise.

But not compromising to me means that, for example. Let's say if a dominant isn't into inflicting pain at all. He doesn't enjoy it. But the sub loves pain. And occasionally the dominant indulge the sub in what she loves because he decided to be nice about it.

But I feel that my enjoyment is significantly lessen IF whatever the man does, he does not enjoy. I mean if a dominant is not whipping because it brings him pleasure. But simply because he knows I enjoy it. That sucks! But if he is whipping me because that's one thing he absolutely enjoy doing. And that is also one thing I absolutely enjoy being on the receiving end of. That seriously take the whole feeling up to a different level.

That mutual enjoyment! Watching a man enjoy what you enjoy. Enjoying it together in harmony, insync as one!

I guess my point is, sexual and bdsm compatibility seriously makes a crazy difference in how both parties will enjoy each other.

So you know, sometimes when a dominant gets like very upset and disappointment in pre-negotiation with a sub, that she is not okay with this and that.

It's like, why would he even want to force it? Or even get upset about it? Doesn't fit, Next!

Same with a submissive, can't make the top do what he don't enjoy doing to you!

The right compatibility is very hard, but when ya find it, it's gonna be amazing!





A great Master somehow gets you to love it all. And you end up especially loving the stuff you hated. : )

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/28/2017 7:42:59 PM   
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This is why I tend to do M/s rather than Being a service Top.

If as girl is a masochist and likes to suffer as a core tenet of her submission-She will do things I like,even if she doesn't.

And I will like her for being that way.

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/28/2017 7:56:17 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NoirMetal

This is why I tend to do M/s rather than Being a service Top.

If as girl is a masochist and likes to suffer as a core tenet of her submission-She will do things I like,even if she doesn't.

And I will like her for being that way.


Yes it is quite a thing to like something because you hate it but you do it because Master likes it. Quite a strange but cool thing.

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/29/2017 8:35:42 AM   
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I find that once the slave learns to trust and respect the master she becomes more flexible in things she will at last try.

Whereas a bottom will just get more stubborn, or leave. I really hate being a service top. A perverts sex toy. When I talk about the dynamic of bringing a girl around to my pov to nilla subs, they flip the fuck out.

Because getting someone to do things THEY hard limit has GOT to be abuse as far as they are concerned.

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/29/2017 9:07:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: NoirMetal
Because getting someone to do things THEY hard limit has GOT to be abuse as far as they are concerned.

Obviously it's abuse, it's non consensual.

What you want is essentially someone with masochistic tendencies, period.


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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/29/2017 10:01:54 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75


quote:

ORIGINAL: NoirMetal
Because getting someone to do things THEY hard limit has GOT to be abuse as far as they are concerned.

Obviously it's abuse, it's non consensual.

What you want is essentially someone with masochistic tendencies, period.



This is why bottoms don't understand people who do M/s. A service sub is not necessarily a masochist.

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/29/2017 10:21:07 AM   
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This is why bottoms don't understand people who do M/s. A service sub is not necessarily a masochist.

I think a certain level of masochism is required to genuinely enjoy being forced to do things you hate all the time.

If you are enjoying being forced to do stuffs you hate, that is practically the kink of masochism.

And if you enjoy women to suffer for you, that's you being a sadist.

I think inflicting discomfort is beyond just pain and can be inflicted in so many creative ways that could satisfy a sadist. And a Masochist simply love being forced to do anything she finds distasteful.

Your perfect other half gotta be masochist.

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/29/2017 3:23:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: NoirMetal
This is why bottoms don't understand people who do M/s. A service sub is not necessarily a masochist.

I think a certain level of masochism is required to genuinely enjoy being forced to do things you hate all the time.

If you are enjoying being forced to do stuffs you hate, that is practically the kink of masochism.

And if you enjoy women to suffer for you, that's you being a sadist.

I think inflicting discomfort is beyond just pain and can be inflicted in so many creative ways that could satisfy a sadist. And a Masochist simply love being forced to do anything she finds distasteful.

Your perfect other half gotta be masochist.

You could even make her wash the windows and take the trash out herself-horrors.

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/29/2017 3:26:47 PM   
tamaka


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quote:

ORIGINAL: NoirMetal


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: NoirMetal
This is why bottoms don't understand people who do M/s. A service sub is not necessarily a masochist.

I think a certain level of masochism is required to genuinely enjoy being forced to do things you hate all the time.

If you are enjoying being forced to do stuffs you hate, that is practically the kink of masochism.

And if you enjoy women to suffer for you, that's you being a sadist.

I think inflicting discomfort is beyond just pain and can be inflicted in so many creative ways that could satisfy a sadist. And a Masochist simply love being forced to do anything she finds distasteful.

Your perfect other half gotta be masochist.

You could even make her wash the windows and take the trash out herself-horrors.



Lol... people who don't understand will never understand. There's no point in trying to explain it to them.

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/29/2017 3:36:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: NoirMetal


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: NoirMetal
This is why bottoms don't understand people who do M/s. A service sub is not necessarily a masochist.

I think a certain level of masochism is required to genuinely enjoy being forced to do things you hate all the time.

If you are enjoying being forced to do stuffs you hate, that is practically the kink of masochism.

And if you enjoy women to suffer for you, that's you being a sadist.

I think inflicting discomfort is beyond just pain and can be inflicted in so many creative ways that could satisfy a sadist. And a Masochist simply love being forced to do anything she finds distasteful.

Your perfect other half gotta be masochist.

You could even make her wash the windows and take the trash out herself-horrors.



Lol... people who don't understand will never understand. There's no point in trying to explain it to them.

Dom secret-weird orgasms erode former hard limits into likes.

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/29/2017 4:01:39 PM   
tamaka


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quote:

ORIGINAL: NoirMetal


quote:

ORIGINAL: tamaka


quote:

ORIGINAL: NoirMetal


quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75

quote:

ORIGINAL: NoirMetal
This is why bottoms don't understand people who do M/s. A service sub is not necessarily a masochist.

I think a certain level of masochism is required to genuinely enjoy being forced to do things you hate all the time.

If you are enjoying being forced to do stuffs you hate, that is practically the kink of masochism.

And if you enjoy women to suffer for you, that's you being a sadist.

I think inflicting discomfort is beyond just pain and can be inflicted in so many creative ways that could satisfy a sadist. And a Masochist simply love being forced to do anything she finds distasteful.

Your perfect other half gotta be masochist.

You could even make her wash the windows and take the trash out herself-horrors.



Lol... people who don't understand will never understand. There's no point in trying to explain it to them.

Dom secret-weird orgasms erode former hard limits into likes.


:)

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/29/2017 5:00:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75


quote:

ORIGINAL: NoirMetal
Because getting someone to do things THEY hard limit has GOT to be abuse as far as they are concerned.

Obviously it's abuse, it's non consensual.

What you want is essentially someone with masochistic tendencies, period.



Nothing in what he said implies non-consensual, Greta. People change their views on limits all the time, as they evolve in play or relationships or other factors. That has nothing to do with abuse.

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/29/2017 5:49:20 PM   
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If you pick a partner with whom you have a high level of compatibility, you won't be faced with doing things you hate or hard limit.
Submissive is not necessarily synonymous with miserable.

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/29/2017 6:07:40 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: DesFIP

If you pick a partner with whom you have a high level of compatibility, you won't be faced with doing things you hate or hard limit.
Submissive is not necessarily synonymous with miserable.


Amen

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/29/2017 6:26:36 PM   
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You could even make her wash the windows and take the trash out herself-horrors.

That has nothing to do with BDSM. That's just a vanilla negotiation in a normal relationship if ya live together. And as I said, that context means nothing in my country, since most women are the one taking out trash here, and washing windows, not the males. As that's part of house work, and most house work are handled by females.

The man does stuffs like, change the light bulb or something. Anything to do with electrical.

And a sub will feel like shit if she disappoints her dominant, it is emotionally manipulative.

< Message edited by Greta75 -- 5/29/2017 6:28:31 PM >

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/29/2017 6:30:23 PM   
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Nothing in what he said implies non-consensual, Greta. People change their views on limits all the time, as they evolve in play or relationships or other factors. That has nothing to do with abuse.

Well, I don't believe in evolution of limits. My limits are extremely fixed. That's why if someone pressured me to move them, it would feel emotionally abusive. Because anyway, for someone to get into a D/S relationship with me, I would tell them upfront it's unmovable and they would at first agree they are okay with that. But it's quite common for dominants to feel that is just talk and not take me seriously when I say that.

As they always like to wait until you are emotionally attached with each other and enjoying each other before all the "moving of hard limits" talk starts. It's almost intentional.

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 5/29/2017 7:38:36 PM   
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Yah. My limits are a fucking wall, and once you get past the wall, you have to climb a fucking mountain.

If you're WHOLE thing is "pushing my limits"- we ain't gonna work.

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RE: Sexual Compromises - 6/2/2017 11:14:14 AM   
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greta what a load of b/s . glad I am a real switch , that means we both get fully satisfied . COMPLETE MUTUAL PLEASURE.

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