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Real0ne -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 9:16:08 AM)

but they arent as bad as the romans who holocuasted 4 billion jews according to the jewish bible.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 9:16:18 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX

For the same reason we once feared Nazis

They're a mass murdering fascist cult of personality

Slaughtered 270 million innocents so far and counting. Enslaves entire national populations to the demands of their pig god Allah, as dictated by Mohammad and other false prophets. "Prophets" who would be laughable if 95% of the armed conflicts happening right now on this planet didn't involve Muslims

The Koran tells them to lie to you about their intentions, and they have historically waited until their numbers were sufficient before seizing control

Islam is very young compared to real religions etc, yet in many Islamic states all other peoples have been utterly decimated

History speaks to you, open your ears


Unless they have lots of oil and several $Billion to buy weapons from us, then they're allies. Right Comrade Saudi lover?




Greta75 -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 9:17:23 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

No, they dont, you dont go down to the sons of zion cafe and get blts. sorry.


How cool is it to go to a cafe run by jews where you can get real pork bacon BLT.

I'd be shock if that is possible in a cafe run by Muslims. It's impossible in my country for that to happen. No Muslim are handling pork.




Greta75 -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 9:18:51 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

but they arent as bad as the romans who holocuasted 4 billion jews according to the jewish bible.

I can't imagine there were ever 4 billion jews. Aren't we only at 7 billion people currently?

Man that bible is fudging figures!




mnottertail -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 9:21:38 AM)

their use of numbers was not actual, they meant a fuckload.

if only 100000 people are going to heaven, that motherfucker been full up for awhile.




heavyblinker -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 9:22:21 AM)

I was really hoping that at least one person would read the article instead of just responding to the thread title.
Of course, I knew it wouldn't happen... but I had hoped.




Musicmystery -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 9:28:31 AM)

If it helps, I did, and appreciate the find.




Greta75 -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 9:42:25 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

I was really hoping that at least one person would read the article instead of just responding to the thread title.
Of course, I knew it wouldn't happen... but I had hoped.

If the article has nothing to do with the topic. Then why the hell did you post such a title for the topic?

Not everybody is gonna spend time clicking on links.

For anybody to not like Muslims, it's because Muslim culture is so trespassing and invasive.

Like MM thinks it's no big drama to change dinner timing at a school prom. IF Muslims never existed or migrated into the US, would the dinner timing at a school prom ever have to change? That's pretty invasive!

And on top of that, now they gotta move Prom dates in the future to accommodate that Proms don't clash with Ramadan ever again. That is like such a solid example of how invasive that religion is to regular things people usually do and just having to accommodate their culture. Majority accommodating to minority.

It just annoys the shit outta some people who doesn't like what is normal in their world to be changed to the new normal!

And my visit to German Border across Basel Switzerland. It was like freaking Muslim land. Every woman was dressed in hijab. Even Muslim beggers on the street. Like I can't believe it's Germany. There were barely German locals around. Horrid! And then there was this French Border side, again, filled with Muslims, and filled with nothing but Turkish Kebab stalls. I'm in freaking France and I feel like I was in the middle east!

I didn't visit Germany or France to feel Muslim culture! Definitely felt like Arab Town instead. But I imagine that be awesome for Muslim Tourists. As I like to see Chinatown in every non-Chinese country I visit and taste their Chinese food to see how different it is from what I am used to.




Aylee -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 9:44:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

This is a great article.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/18/why-do-so-many-americans-fear-muslims-decades-of-denial-about-americas-role-in-the-world/

Of course the RWNJs will dismiss the Intercept as left-wing propaganda, but at the very least they are as hard on Obama and the Democrats as they are on Trump.

This is the most telling part:

quote:

Trump’s story about why it’s necessary is, factually speaking, garbage. But a normal human being can at least understand it and its moral: These incomprehensible foreigners are all potential psychotics, we’ve got to keep them out. Under these circumstances, who cares that no one from any of these seven countries has killed any Americans yet? They’re all part of a huge morass of ticking time bombs.
By contrast, the Democratic, liberal perspective laid out by Obama makes no sense at all. We’ve never done anything particularly bad in the Middle East, yet … some people over there want to come here and kill us because … they’ve been exploited by violent extremists who’ve perverted Islam and … gotta run, there’s no time to explain.
Regular people could sense that anyone mouthing this kind of gibberish was hiding something, even if they didn’t realize that Obama was trying to keep the U.S. empire running rather than concealing his secret faith in Islam.
And because a coherent narrative always beats the complete absence of a story, no one should be surprised that many Americans find Trump’s fantasy of inexplicable Muslim hatred persuasive.


The most pointless war(s) that have ever been fought, started for purely political reasons, maintained by people who realize endless war is profitable... have led us to Americans who find inspiration in Trump's ugliness simply because the Democrats know it would be political suicide to admit that America itself is to blame.



I would not call it fear. I would call it a dislike for the political and cultural ideology of Islam - Muslims are just those that carry it out. These are things that I dislike about it:

Female Genital Mutilation,
Honor violence,
Religiously mandated spousal abuse,
Blasphemy codes,
The persecution of religious and sexual minorities,
The subjugation of women,
The grooming and sexual exploitation of girls,
The murder of apostates,
The dehumanization of unbelievers,
The indoctrination of children,
The contempt for liberalism,
The surrender of critical thought,
and the systematic bludgeoning to death of free expression.




Marini -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 9:44:27 AM)

I don't fear all Muslims, but based on what is happening all over the world, is this really a serious question?




BoscoX -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 9:54:39 AM)

Someone left a pressure cooker in the airport in New Jersey...

If it weren't for Muslims this would not be an issue




heavyblinker -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 10:19:47 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75
If the article has nothing to do with the topic. Then why the hell did you post such a title for the topic?


Because it's the title of the article, and it's a question that is answered IN the article.
You didn't even read that far?
Seriously?

Maybe you should ask yourself if you can be objective about this topic.




Greta75 -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 10:31:20 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
Maybe you should ask yourself if you can be objective about this topic.

I am being objective.
It's human nature that, they don't want their normal to transform into some unpleasant new normal.

In my case, I grew up with easy access to pork ham and bacon like US right now, it's still everywhere. By the time I am an adult, pork ham and bacon slowly disappeared from menus of all fast food places and eateries. In my country, we seldom cook at home and eat 100% of our meals out. It's not necessary to cook since everywhere are restaurants and food places 24/7 available and like just 5 minutes walk from my house, I got like 50 cuisines to choose from to eat everyday. No cooking needed.

Now I am literally force to make myself a BLT sandwich instead of buying one because I can't get real bacon from a sandwich store.

My favourite rum and raisin ice cream I grew up eating as a kid, now serves the same ice cream calling it yummy raisins with fake non alcoholic rum as they can't have alcohol on top of pork on their menu now.

That's my new normal! I will never experience real ham on a hawaiian pizza ever again unless I make this hawaiian pizza myself.

All to make 13% of the population happy so that they feel comfortable and included. Yes I feel like my culture is trampled upon despite being the dominant 70%, because I feel like the definition of being Chinese is being a pork eating person lol. And if ya don't eat pork, and you look Chinese, I'd say ya not Chinese enough! It's like our core! I had this horrible Chicken Ramen the other day with Chicken Char Siew, Islamised place again. Usually authentic Japanese way is Pork Ramen, Pork Broth and Pork Char Siew. It was horrible! Chicken Broth and Pork Broth has two completely different taste! In many Chinese cooking, even Chicken noodles gets cook in Pork broth! It adds the necessary flavour!

So I wonder what percentage of Muslim population does it has to grow in the US, before the whole country decide to make everything Muslim Friendly. More Muslims means more Muslims in the work force, and that's when companies start having to make accommodations. Like we are so nice that we try to make them feel so comfortable by sacrificing our own comfort regular things in our lives.

This is the new reality of being friendly and nice to other cultures!




heavyblinker -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 10:37:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

This is a great article.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/18/why-do-so-many-americans-fear-muslims-decades-of-denial-about-americas-role-in-the-world/

Of course the RWNJs will dismiss the Intercept as left-wing propaganda, but at the very least they are as hard on Obama and the Democrats as they are on Trump.

This is the most telling part:

quote:

Trump’s story about why it’s necessary is, factually speaking, garbage. But a normal human being can at least understand it and its moral: These incomprehensible foreigners are all potential psychotics, we’ve got to keep them out. Under these circumstances, who cares that no one from any of these seven countries has killed any Americans yet? They’re all part of a huge morass of ticking time bombs.
By contrast, the Democratic, liberal perspective laid out by Obama makes no sense at all. We’ve never done anything particularly bad in the Middle East, yet … some people over there want to come here and kill us because … they’ve been exploited by violent extremists who’ve perverted Islam and … gotta run, there’s no time to explain.
Regular people could sense that anyone mouthing this kind of gibberish was hiding something, even if they didn’t realize that Obama was trying to keep the U.S. empire running rather than concealing his secret faith in Islam.
And because a coherent narrative always beats the complete absence of a story, no one should be surprised that many Americans find Trump’s fantasy of inexplicable Muslim hatred persuasive.


The most pointless war(s) that have ever been fought, started for purely political reasons, maintained by people who realize endless war is profitable... have led us to Americans who find inspiration in Trump's ugliness simply because the Democrats know it would be political suicide to admit that America itself is to blame.



I would not call it fear. I would call it a dislike for the political and cultural ideology of Islam - Muslims are just those that carry it out. These are things that I dislike about it:

Female Genital Mutilation,
Honor violence,
Religiously mandated spousal abuse,
Blasphemy codes,
The persecution of religious and sexual minorities,
The subjugation of women,
The grooming and sexual exploitation of girls,
The murder of apostates,
The dehumanization of unbelievers,
The indoctrination of children,
The contempt for liberalism,
The surrender of critical thought,
and the systematic bludgeoning to death of free expression.


What about:

Decades spent killing and oppressing families in the middle east,
Sexual assaults committed by soldiers and a child prostitution ring run by Trump associate Erik Prince,
Heavily contributing to the rise of extremist terror groups by giving them genuine reason to hate America,
Killing for profit,
Non-religiously mandated spousal abuse,
The persecution of religious and sexual minorities (travel ban and Pence's extreme homophobia... and he caused an AIDS epidemic by targeting clinics that also offered abortions... except, oh wait, no they didn't, he just cut their funding... and then spent it on gay conversion therapy),
The election of a bully who disrespects women and brags about it,
The grooming and sexual exploitation of girls (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/sex-trafficking-america-0),
The dehumanization of liberals, Muslims, etc.
The indoctrination of children (some schools teach creationism in science class),
The contempt for liberalism (wait? weren't you the one who talked about 'The Great Reckoning' where all liberals would presumably be killed?),
The surrender of critical thought (Trump rallies are better?),
and the systematic bludgeoning to death of free expression (you elected a man who asked the FBI director if he could imprison journalists).

You actually support almost everything that you claim you oppose.
Well done.

You can't hate Islam and then support a guy who not only gives them $110 billion weapons contract, but also a massive share of the upcoming privatized infrastructure program:

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/27/trumps-america-first-infrastructure-plan-let-saudi-arabia-and-blackstone-take-care-of-it/

These investments are expected to make money, and that money will go to Saudi Arabia, who thanks to Trump will now grow increasingly less dependent on the west for muscle.
If you truly think Islam is evil, then you should remember that every time you use one of Blackstone's future roads, you're making them richer.
This after Blackstone gave Kushner $400 million since 2013... totally unrelated, I'm sure.

And that's not just a single suicide bomber, these are the same Sunni Muslims who send terrorists off to cushy country clubs while beheading homosexuals and women who cheat on their husbands. Whose culture spawns new terrorists every day, including those responsible for 9/11.




Greta75 -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 10:48:30 AM)

Actually, you can hate Islam and support Trump because, 1.6 Billion Muslims is still a force to reckon with and when you got that many of them, you gotta compromise for your own survival, US only has 300 million folks by the way and if you take away the Muslims, it is less than 300 million.

Just like, I don't agree with everything my country is doing to bend backwards for Muslims. I mean for gawd's sake, they legalise 4 wives for them, specially for them!

But it was necessary to keep Muslims content so they don't kill us. We are essentially held hostage by them and at their mercy because we are just 2.1 Mil or less people. And then you got like what? 18million Muslims across our border just 5 minutes away by car. And 200 million Muslims just 1 hr boat ride away from us. We are soooo outnumbered within seconds of war!




BoscoX -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 10:58:07 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

This is a great article.

https://theintercept.com/2017/02/18/why-do-so-many-americans-fear-muslims-decades-of-denial-about-americas-role-in-the-world/

Of course the RWNJs will dismiss the Intercept as left-wing propaganda, but at the very least they are as hard on Obama and the Democrats as they are on Trump.

This is the most telling part:

quote:

Trump’s story about why it’s necessary is, factually speaking, garbage. But a normal human being can at least understand it and its moral: These incomprehensible foreigners are all potential psychotics, we’ve got to keep them out. Under these circumstances, who cares that no one from any of these seven countries has killed any Americans yet? They’re all part of a huge morass of ticking time bombs.
By contrast, the Democratic, liberal perspective laid out by Obama makes no sense at all. We’ve never done anything particularly bad in the Middle East, yet … some people over there want to come here and kill us because … they’ve been exploited by violent extremists who’ve perverted Islam and … gotta run, there’s no time to explain.
Regular people could sense that anyone mouthing this kind of gibberish was hiding something, even if they didn’t realize that Obama was trying to keep the U.S. empire running rather than concealing his secret faith in Islam.
And because a coherent narrative always beats the complete absence of a story, no one should be surprised that many Americans find Trump’s fantasy of inexplicable Muslim hatred persuasive.


The most pointless war(s) that have ever been fought, started for purely political reasons, maintained by people who realize endless war is profitable... have led us to Americans who find inspiration in Trump's ugliness simply because the Democrats know it would be political suicide to admit that America itself is to blame.



I would not call it fear. I would call it a dislike for the political and cultural ideology of Islam - Muslims are just those that carry it out. These are things that I dislike about it:

Female Genital Mutilation,
Honor violence,
Religiously mandated spousal abuse,
Blasphemy codes,
The persecution of religious and sexual minorities,
The subjugation of women,
The grooming and sexual exploitation of girls,
The murder of apostates,
The dehumanization of unbelievers,
The indoctrination of children,
The contempt for liberalism,
The surrender of critical thought,
and the systematic bludgeoning to death of free expression.


What about:

Decades spent killing and oppressing families in the middle east,
Sexual assaults committed by soldiers and a child prostitution ring run by Trump associate Erik Prince,
Heavily contributing to the rise of extremist terror groups by giving them genuine reason to hate America,
Killing for profit,
Non-religiously mandated spousal abuse,
The persecution of religious and sexual minorities (travel ban and Pence's extreme homophobia... and he caused an AIDS epidemic by targeting clinics that also offered abortions... except, oh wait, no they didn't, he just cut their funding... and then spent it on gay conversion therapy),
The election of a bully who disrespects women and brags about it,
The grooming and sexual exploitation of girls (http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/sex-trafficking-america-0),
The dehumanization of liberals, Muslims, etc.
The indoctrination of children (some schools teach creationism in science class),
The contempt for liberalism (wait? weren't you the one who talked about 'The Great Reckoning' where all liberals would presumably be killed?),
The surrender of critical thought (Trump rallies are better?),
and the systematic bludgeoning to death of free expression (you elected a man who asked the FBI director if he could imprison journalists).

You actually support almost everything that you claim you oppose.
Well done.

You can't hate Islam and then support a guy who not only gives them $110 billion weapons contract, but also a massive share of the upcoming privatized infrastructure program:

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/27/trumps-america-first-infrastructure-plan-let-saudi-arabia-and-blackstone-take-care-of-it/

These investments are expected to make money, and that money will go to Saudi Arabia, who thanks to Trump will now grow increasingly less dependent on the west for muscle.
If you truly think Islam is evil, then you should remember that every time you use one of Blackstone's future roads, you're making them richer.
This after Blackstone gave Kushner $400 million since 2013... totally unrelated, I'm sure.

And that's not just a single suicide bomber, these are the same Sunni Muslims who send terrorists off to cushy country clubs while beheading homosexuals and women who cheat on their husbands. Whose culture spawns new terrorists every day, including those responsible for 9/11.


So... By your logic... Everyone who acknowledges that Islam is a mass murdering death cult, has to vote for Democrats

Who are hell bent on importing as many Muslims as possible, as fast as possible

And thereby commit suicide by Muslim




heavyblinker -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 11:01:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Greta75
Actually, you can hate Islam and support Trump because, 1.6 Billion Muslims is still a force to reckon with and when you got that many of them, you gotta compromise for your own survival, US only has 300 million folks by the way and if you take away the Muslims, it is less than 300 million.


It's so odd that the GOP/RWNJ news was saying this less than a year ago:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/11/obama-administrations-1-billion-arms-deal-aids-sau/

And that was only $1 billion.
But somehow $350 billion over ten years is okay.





heavyblinker -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 11:04:32 AM)

No, straw man king, that is not what I'm saying.
I am hoping that just once you will acknowledge that the orange piece of shit is not the second coming without a 'but Hillary' or 'but Obama' attached.




Greta75 -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 11:08:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker
And that was only $1 billion.
But somehow $350 billion is okay.

I think the problem is, when a seemingly Muslim President makes a deal with Muslim people. His loyalties are questioned and the genuine reason behind those deals are questioned, I mean essentially, it is a President with a Muslim name and with 2 Muslim fathers. But he doesn't get shit when he goes in bed with Russia because no suspect anything there.

Whereas Trump who is anti-Muslims, gets so much shit about Russia, because they are suspicious about his relationship with Russia especially with Putin bromancing him during his election period, but when he makes a deal with Muslims, we know there is ulterior motive and he is not in bed with the enemy for that one as he doesn't like them.




BoscoX -> RE: Why do so many Americans fear Muslims? (5/29/2017 11:09:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

No, straw man king, that is not what I'm saying.
I am hoping that just once you will acknowledge that the orange piece of shit is not the second coming without a 'but Hillary' or 'but Obama' attached.


Actually, the post you made in reply to Aylee, was mostly extreme straw man stupidity

I am just exposing your hilarious illogic




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