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Greta75 -> The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 9:31:04 PM)

I know people don't like to talk about these things as it may seem racist.

But I have always believed inherent abilities of each race.

And every race got their strength and weaknesses that will determine the success of their country of origin.

You know, how is it that a bunch of immigrants from Europe can move to America and then work together to build it into the leading country of the world. As in the country that the whole world look to.

Why didn't it happen with any of the countries they originated from?

How did China the most over populated country of the world, and has a history of alot of infighting, managed to pull their socks together and now become potentially the next world power? I mean they got way more to handle than Africa considering their population versus land space.

How did Africa through years and years, not be able to pull their socks up, infighting still going on, they are killing each other instead of helping each other grow, this was seriously China's problem in the past too?

How did Israel, one tiny group of race where at a point of time were persecuted by Germans and Muslims and also, I believe at one point of time, there was alot of racism towards Jews even in the US, managed to get themselves together as one, be successful in many other countries and maintain their own country in one of the most difficult environments where they are surrounded by enemies?

How did Japan a tiny country, managed to just survive and soar and do well despite being like the big bad wolf of world war 2.

South Korea too and Taiwan, I mean seriously..., there are inherent traits and culture that enable them to reach there.

It's the same with how the US was formed. People who left Europe and went to the US probably didn't like Monarchy to start with. They started their own country with the whole new idea of democratic system. It was almost like a group of people that felt they didn't fit in where they were born or identify with their motherland's culture, bonded together and built a new country with new ideas.

I think once we recognize what are the inherent personalities of each races, without like getting upset about it, then more practical solutions based on those personalities can be applied more effectively to help those lagging behind. I always believe there are often alot of truth stereotypes. But people don't understand, once you establish the stereotypes, you can then encourage people to basically, not behave as the typical negative stereotype.

Currently, the solution is to encourage people not to stereotype. It helps nothing. It is refusing to acknowledge the real problems that is preventing a whole struggling group of people from being able to get out of their destructive cycle.

And also thinking about it. IF Australia was the land of hardcore convicts. And look at it today. Australia to me is one of the best countries in the world to live in. How do you managed to built such a beautiful country from a bunch of convicts? How did that happen!

What makes them able to build something beautiful out of a place that was just meant to be one big prison.



heavyblinker -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 9:40:58 PM)

America: because they rebuilt Europe after WWII, and lifted a lot of talent from Germany and Japan
Japan: because they were a major industrial center for the Americans during the Korean and Vietnamese wars
Korea: because they were a major industrial center for the Americans during the Vietnamese war
China: because they are a major industrial center manufacturing goods for wealthy, greedy American consumers
Africa: because the Scramble for Africa destroyed an entire way of life, enslaved most of the continent, and pitted the tribes against each other

It has nothing to do with race.
Throughout history, each area of the world has risen and fallen, experiencing great prosperity and gradual or sudden collapse.



Termyn8or -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 10:07:14 PM)

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It has nothing to do with race.


Here's your cracker.

T^T



Saadia -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 10:12:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Greta75

I know people don't like to talk about these things as it may seem racist.

But I have always believed inherent abilities of each race.

And every race got their strength and weaknesses that will determine the success of their country of origin.

You know, how is it that a bunch of immigrants from Europe can move to America and then work together to build it into the leading country of the world. As in the country that the whole world look to.

Why didn't it happen with any of the countries they originated from?

How did China the most over populated country of the world, and has a history of alot of infighting, managed to pull their socks together and now become potentially the next world power? I mean they got way more to handle than Africa considering their population versus land space.

How did Africa through years and years, not be able to pull their socks up, infighting still going on, they are killing each other instead of helping each other grow, this was seriously China's problem in the past too?

How did Israel, one tiny group of race where at a point of time were persecuted by Germans and Muslims and also, I believe at one point of time, there was alot of racism towards Jews even in the US, managed to get themselves together as one, be successful in many other countries and maintain their own country in one of the most difficult environments where they are surrounded by enemies?

How did Japan a tiny country, managed to just survive and soar and do well despite being like the big bad wolf of world war 2.

South Korea too and Taiwan, I mean seriously..., there are inherent traits and culture that enable them to reach there.

It's the same with how the US was formed. People who left Europe and went to the US probably didn't like Monarchy to start with. They started their own country with the whole new idea of democratic system. It was almost like a group of people that felt they didn't fit in where they were born or identify with their motherland's culture, bonded together and built a new country with new ideas.

I think once we recognize what are the inherent personalities of each races, without like getting upset about it, then more practical solutions based on those personalities can be applied more effectively to help those lagging behind. I always believe there are often alot of truth stereotypes. But people don't understand, once you establish the stereotypes, you can then encourage people to basically, not behave as the typical negative stereotype.

Currently, the solution is to encourage people not to stereotype. It helps nothing. It is refusing to acknowledge the real problems that is preventing a whole struggling group of people from being able to get out of their destructive cycle.

And also thinking about it. IF Australia was the land of hardcore convicts. And look at it today. Australia to me is one of the best countries in the world to live in. How do you managed to built such a beautiful country from a bunch of convicts? How did that happen!

What makes them able to build something beautiful out of a place that was just meant to be one big prison.


This is an interesting post. I have always wondered the same. But I think your post talks more about Nations than race. I do think race/influence/power has a lot to do with whom we as subs are naturally attracted to. I think kink allows us to talk about these things more openly.



Real0ne -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 10:17:21 PM)

money



Dvr22999874 -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 10:23:28 PM)

Only a small proportion of our immigrants were convicts and even among those convicts were some very clever and artistic people. A number of the immigrants were from wealthy british families. Many more came from the middle and upper lower classes and they brought with them some of the many cultures that existed in England and still exist in some corners of that country.

Then we had the chinese and the jews who brought their cultures in and helped the country forward immensely. Poor they may have been in many cases but they brought ideas and thoughts with them that became another part of this mixture.

Then, of course, after a couple of world wars, we had a huge influx of many European nations coming in by the shipload and all most of them wanted to do was work and live peacefully, but at the same time they brought in their cultures, cuisines and ideas again.

For such a small country, we have a huge goulash of races and nationalities that have learned ( on the whole) to live peaceably together, but at the same time, impress their cultures and ideas into hard facts and that's what has made this country Greta.



BamaD -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 10:28:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

money

Many of the American colonists were poor.
Parts of America (Georgia for example) were populated by prisoners, and the Irish were
sentanced here.



Greta75 -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 10:30:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

money

Money gives you power undeniably. But from the beginning of time, nobody was "just born with money". Later in life, some people start being born to money, but from the beginning of time, everybody started off at equal footing. Their actions and choices affect the lives their ancestors will live. So to me, there was already inherent things right from the start.



Dvr22999874 -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 10:34:25 PM)

at the beginning of time, it was a case of who was the biggest and baddest who could bully the rest of his tribe. These days, money has taken the place of muscles, clubs and rocks but apart from that, not much has changed, has it ?



Greta75 -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 10:35:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874
Then we had the chinese and the jews who brought their cultures in and helped the country forward immensely. Poor they may have been in many cases but they brought ideas and thoughts with them that became another part of this mixture.


I am Chinese but seriously I wouldn't credit the Chinese or the Vietnamese which Australia has plenty of, to bringing anything positive to Australia.

Not that I am putting down my race. But Australia is the anti-thesis of China if ya know what I mean. And I wouldn't expect China to be anything like Australia too, as their own way works for them and their country. I mean if Australia gotta feed the kind of population masses that China has to feed. They can't carry on the Australian way.

The Chinese that went into Australia didn't bring their culture over, except for maybe their food. They assimilated into Australian Culture. Infact, when the Chinese was trying to bring this extremely negative, all work and no play culture into Australia. The Australians fought back to preserve their culture and thank gawd they didn't let Chinese taint them and kept their own unique culture.



Dvr22999874 -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 10:36:04 PM)

and again, many of todays richest had ancestors who were the biggest thieves, rogues and liars of their time. I name no names but take a closer look at the ' old-money'families' around your part of the world



Dvr22999874 -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 10:38:54 PM)

I think the jews, chinese, Vietnamese and other Asian culture brought over a work ethic as well as new ways of doing things. you have to remember that they weren't really allowed here in any numbers until the 1960's greta *smile*



Greta75 -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 10:42:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dvr22999874
I think the jews, chinese, Vietnamese and other Asian culture brought over a work ethic as well as new ways of doing things. you have to remember that they weren't really allowed here in any numbers until the 1960's greta *smile*

And you know what? I respect any country's right to ban any race from entering. That doesn't upset one bit if I was banned from Australia just because I am Chinese. I acknowledge the faults of some of my culture. And I tell my own chinese people off when they go into another country and complain about their culture and way of doing things, I'd simply say to them, you are in their country, either you do what they do, or don't move there! You know the number one bitching about Australians that Chinese people do is complain they are lazy? I always tell them, if they wanna work like dog. Stay in China or in Singapore. Australians love their work life balance, don't go out there and ruin it for them!

Because to Chinese people. Work-Life Balance is the equivalent of laziness.



heavyblinker -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 11:00:35 PM)

China isn't even in the top 20 most productive countries in the world, Greta.
And anyone who has been there knows that it's not as common as you think to see someone really trying to do their job well.

It isn't a race thing, it's cultural.



Dvr22999874 -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 11:06:37 PM)

Yeah hb, it's like Russia used to be ( and may still be for all I know )..................they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work !! But the majority of chinese and other Asians over here, seem to work hard but also enjoy their off-times. They are Australians now, so I guess they have adopted that side of the Aussie culture and attitude.



Greta75 -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/30/2017 11:38:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: heavyblinker

China isn't even in the top 20 most productive countries in the world, Greta.
And anyone who has been there knows that it's not as common as you think to see someone really trying to do their job well.

It isn't a race thing, it's cultural.


I am not talking about productivity. Work life Balance IS productivity.

But all work and no play is not productivity but just endless working to show that you are more hardworking than everybody else. And trust me, the Chinese don't care about productivity, they care more about the hours you put in. If you get all your work done within shorter time span than everybody else, a Chinese boss will think you are getting too little work and will pile you up with more. It's the mentality and culture that I will discourage Chinese people from tainting other countries. But what they treasure is this "work like a horse" attitude, so even if you are low productivity, your willingness to slog for long hours is seen and rewarded as a good point.



Greta75 -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/31/2017 12:00:17 AM)

And I think one of the things that make my country great is we often the debate the pros and con each culture openly. It's okay to talk about negative points about other people's culture. It is okay to admit the faults of our culture. We aren't sensitive about it. It wouldn't go into racism or xenophobic accusations.

That's how you can have different cultures mesh together when you can openly discuss what we want to throw out of each culture. We have Indians who doesn't want to import India culture into Singapore. We have Chinese who don't want to import China culture into our country. We have Malays who do not want to import Malaysian culture in Singapore. We form Singapore because we don't like what is happening in our motherlands and want a new way of life that we feel is better.

Whereas, I feel like, in the Western world, their way of dealing with any criticism of any culture is to scream racism instead of having a real discussion on the pros and cons of that culture to their country.

Singapore is often praised as the role model of how multiculturalism exists and co-exist peacefully. But what they didn't study is the precise way this is possible. And it was possible because there is no sensitivity about saying, something of your culture is not okay and not welcome here. And whether it is welcome or not, would happen base on majority feelings. It is okay to not accept some aspects of other people's culture and ban if it's not compatible to what we want as a nation. We are all immigrants in Singapore because we didn't like the way things were ran in our motherlands. So we definitely don't wanna bring any of those negative stuffs over.

And most immigrants that do make home in Singapore. When I speak to them, whether from China, India, Malaysia, Indonesia or some even from the West. All their reasons is, because they hate their country culture. And don't want any part of it anymore. And they like the direction and culture Singapore has built. And they want to join our culture and adopt it. Like Americans who gave up their American citizenship to be Singaporeans over here, we do not allow dual citizenship. If you spoke to them, they hate America. And can tell you why they hated it there.

It's so weird to me in the west that you got all these people fighting for their rights to bring their culture into the west and screaming for acceptance for their culture. It's the TOTAL opposite in Singapore. People are running away from their culture they didn't like.



vincentML -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/31/2017 5:55:28 AM)

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And I think one of the things that make my country great is we often the debate the pros and con each culture openly. It's okay to talk about negative points about other people's culture. It is okay to admit the faults of our culture. We aren't sensitive about it. It wouldn't go into racism or xenophobic accusations.

You have confused the issue by conflating race, ethnicity, and culture as determinants. Each is a separate issue and race is really a none issue since there are many degrees of pigmentation in our species. Race is not a valid category imo. Now, if you want to discuss culture and its determinants you might be on to something, but then you would have to take a look at the histories developing those cultures before you have any confidence that there is anything inherent involved, especially their histories in the last 500 years during the European expansion.

An interesting topic, Greta. [:)]



tamaka -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/31/2017 10:02:29 AM)

It probably has to do with tribalism. Cultures/races that progressed were able to bring the masses together under leadership with a vision and got everyone together to support and work toward that vision. African tribes probably focused more on individual tribes and never all came together.



kdsub -> RE: The deciding factor on which race dominates (5/31/2017 11:18:25 AM)

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Why didn't it happen with any of the countries they originated from


There seems to me to be a common thread here.... It takes a certain kind of person to decide to pull up stakes and move to a new life perhaps thousands of miles away. For instance most people to come to America looking for a new life were not forced to come. They were brave, adventurous, hardworking and industrious.

There were of course those that came involuntarily or to escape persecution but I believe the majority just wanted to find a better life for themselves and their families.

This concentration of special people I believe has made America great. But, sad but so, this gene pool is becoming more and more polluted over time as has happened many times in our world history.... The next exodus may need be the moon or Mars.

Butch



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