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Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 11:06:46 AM   
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Climeworks is set to produce CO2 capture machine in Switzerland.
A good start would be to place a hundred or so around DC.
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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 11:37:06 AM   
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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 12:28:47 PM   
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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 2:02:15 PM   
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Climeworks is set to produce CO2 capture machine in Switzerland.
A good start would be to place a hundred or so around DC.



Okay...
So you build a CO2 Scrubber...
CO2 is lighter then O2...

all those scrubbers at ground level really isn't going to be reaching the upper atmosphere.

So Now what?


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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 2:28:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		a carbon and two oxygens is lighter than two oxygens? show me the math.

CO2 will be at greater concentrations in the air gases do not stratify like oil and water, and so low spots will work to pick out co2 out of the air. Yes, there are other things at work, but over time and distance, its the thing to do.

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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 3:25:50 PM   
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Carbon dioxide has one carbon atom and two oxygen atoms, and a molecular weight of 44 grams per mole ( a certain number of molecules). The oxygen in the air is actually O2, or molecular oxygen, with a molecular weight of 32. Hence, carbon dioxide has a higher density, or is heavier than oxygen.

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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 5:22:14 PM   
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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 6:38:06 PM   
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Infoman:
Carbon dioxide has one carbon atom and two oxygen atoms, and a molecular weight of 44 grams per mole ( a certain number of molecules). The oxygen in the air is actually O2, or molecular oxygen, with a molecular weight of 32. Hence, carbon dioxide has a higher density, or is heavier than oxygen.


Looking at the Molecular mass is misleading because that is an observation in a vacuum.

Carbon Dioxide is also a greenhouse gas and more readily absorbs thermal energy.

Under the principles of thermal expansion - the CO2 will more quickly expand, and thus will become lighter then the surrounding atmosphere when exposed to any thermal energy source (like sun light). This is why - despite the fact that fire produces CO2 which is heavier then O2 you're breathing, the only breathable air in a house fire is close to the floor rather then up around the ceiling.

So as i said -
CO2 is lighter then O2 and those scrubbers are not going to reach the upper atmosphere where all that CO2 is kept...

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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 7:46:33 PM   
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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 8:12:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


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ORIGINAL: CaptR

Infoman:
Carbon dioxide has one carbon atom and two oxygen atoms, and a molecular weight of 44 grams per mole ( a certain number of molecules). The oxygen in the air is actually O2, or molecular oxygen, with a molecular weight of 32. Hence, carbon dioxide has a higher density, or is heavier than oxygen.


Looking at the Molecular mass is misleading because that is an observation in a vacuum.

Carbon Dioxide is also a greenhouse gas and more readily absorbs thermal energy.

Under the principles of thermal expansion - the CO2 will more quickly expand, and thus will become lighter then the surrounding atmosphere when exposed to any thermal energy source (like sun light). This is why - despite the fact that fire produces CO2 which is heavier then O2 you're breathing, the only breathable air in a house fire is close to the floor rather then up around the ceiling.

So as i said -
CO2 is lighter then O2 and those scrubbers are not going to reach the upper atmosphere where all that CO2 is kept...

Man's contribution to atmospheric C02 starts at low altitude, so this invention starts there also.

Thermal energy is an example of kinetic energy, as it is due to the motion of particles, with motion being the key.

C02 changes light waves and absorbs IR and the difference going out from when light enters...is trapped by the atmosphere.

There are 3 main CO2 bands of IR absorption at wavelengths 1388, 667, 2349 cm-1 (HITRAN) and these are already saturated at current levels of CO2 in the atmosphere. Infra Red measurements from space show that the atmosphere is opaque at these wavelengths.

However at high levels in the atmosphere this is not no longer true and this is the only argument for the enhanced greenhouse warming by CO2.

This machine aims to reduce C02 entering the atmosphere by 1% by 2025. It's a start.

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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 8:16:15 PM   
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Algea can be grown with salt water co2 and sewage,some of the most easily accessible resources on this planet ,oh and sun light.....Oil Independence for every country that can get it's shit together,literally.......

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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 8:30:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptR

Infoman:
Carbon dioxide has one carbon atom and two oxygen atoms, and a molecular weight of 44 grams per mole ( a certain number of molecules). The oxygen in the air is actually O2, or molecular oxygen, with a molecular weight of 32. Hence, carbon dioxide has a higher density, or is heavier than oxygen.


Looking at the Molecular mass is misleading because that is an observation in a vacuum.

Carbon Dioxide is also a greenhouse gas and more readily absorbs thermal energy.

Under the principles of thermal expansion - the CO2 will more quickly expand, and thus will become lighter then the surrounding atmosphere when exposed to any thermal energy source (like sun light). This is why - despite the fact that fire produces CO2 which is heavier then O2 you're breathing, the only breathable air in a house fire is close to the floor rather then up around the ceiling.

So as i said -
CO2 is lighter then O2 and those scrubbers are not going to reach the upper atmosphere where all that CO2 is kept...

Man's contribution to atmospheric C02 starts at low altitude, so this invention starts there also.

Thermal energy is an example of kinetic energy, as it is due to the motion of particles, with motion being the key.

C02 changes light waves and absorbs IR and the difference going out from when light enters...is trapped by the atmosphere.

There are 3 main CO2 bands of IR absorption at wavelengths 1388, 667, 2349 cm-1 (HITRAN) and these are already saturated at current levels of CO2 in the atmosphere. Infra Red measurements from space show that the atmosphere is opaque at these wavelengths.

However at high levels in the atmosphere this is not no longer true and this is the only argument for the enhanced greenhouse warming by CO2.

This machine aims to reduce C02 entering the atmosphere by 1% by 2025. It's a start.


1% lol
We need to plant more trees.

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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 8:41:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptR

Infoman:
Carbon dioxide has one carbon atom and two oxygen atoms, and a molecular weight of 44 grams per mole ( a certain number of molecules). The oxygen in the air is actually O2, or molecular oxygen, with a molecular weight of 32. Hence, carbon dioxide has a higher density, or is heavier than oxygen.


Looking at the Molecular mass is misleading because that is an observation in a vacuum.

Carbon Dioxide is also a greenhouse gas and more readily absorbs thermal energy.

Under the principles of thermal expansion - the CO2 will more quickly expand, and thus will become lighter then the surrounding atmosphere when exposed to any thermal energy source (like sun light). This is why - despite the fact that fire produces CO2 which is heavier then O2 you're breathing, the only breathable air in a house fire is close to the floor rather then up around the ceiling.

So as i said -
CO2 is lighter then O2 and those scrubbers are not going to reach the upper atmosphere where all that CO2 is kept...

At any level it is a benefit. Trees absorb CO2 so this machine can be placed in higher elevations in the landscape or incorporate current windmill designs higher in the low areas where they will have a greater impact flatearther. Also we have a cooling period where I live called night when the air becomes more dense. Not every molecule flies immediately up into the atmosphere. It beats the heck out of sitting back saying it won't work.

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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 9:28:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tamaka


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers


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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptR

Infoman:
Carbon dioxide has one carbon atom and two oxygen atoms, and a molecular weight of 44 grams per mole ( a certain number of molecules). The oxygen in the air is actually O2, or molecular oxygen, with a molecular weight of 32. Hence, carbon dioxide has a higher density, or is heavier than oxygen.


Looking at the Molecular mass is misleading because that is an observation in a vacuum.

Carbon Dioxide is also a greenhouse gas and more readily absorbs thermal energy.

Under the principles of thermal expansion - the CO2 will more quickly expand, and thus will become lighter then the surrounding atmosphere when exposed to any thermal energy source (like sun light). This is why - despite the fact that fire produces CO2 which is heavier then O2 you're breathing, the only breathable air in a house fire is close to the floor rather then up around the ceiling.

So as i said -
CO2 is lighter then O2 and those scrubbers are not going to reach the upper atmosphere where all that CO2 is kept...

Man's contribution to atmospheric C02 starts at low altitude, so this invention starts there also.

Thermal energy is an example of kinetic energy, as it is due to the motion of particles, with motion being the key.

C02 changes light waves and absorbs IR and the difference going out from when light enters...is trapped by the atmosphere.

There are 3 main CO2 bands of IR absorption at wavelengths 1388, 667, 2349 cm-1 (HITRAN) and these are already saturated at current levels of CO2 in the atmosphere. Infra Red measurements from space show that the atmosphere is opaque at these wavelengths.

However at high levels in the atmosphere this is not no longer true and this is the only argument for the enhanced greenhouse warming by CO2.

This machine aims to reduce C02 entering the atmosphere by 1% by 2025. It's a start.


1% lol
We need to plant more trees.


It's still several hundred million tons per year as just the increase from last year was 778 million tons or 2.3%. At almost 40 billion tons total per year, man is adding 2/3 more C02 to the atmosphere than [he] was as recently as 1990.

So...it's a start. But yes, the whole world need to start planting more trees and let them mature and leave them there.

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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 9:33:11 PM   
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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/1/2017 10:16:00 PM   
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Yes and big corporations don't have much interest in planting trees. There's no money in it.


There's plenty of money in lumber.

However, planting trees won't cut it, much of the O2 comes from the oceans. It might help a little but it is not a solution.

T^T

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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/2/2017 12:48:06 AM   
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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/2/2017 4:24:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: InfoMan


quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptR

Infoman:
Carbon dioxide has one carbon atom and two oxygen atoms, and a molecular weight of 44 grams per mole ( a certain number of molecules). The oxygen in the air is actually O2, or molecular oxygen, with a molecular weight of 32. Hence, carbon dioxide has a higher density, or is heavier than oxygen.


Looking at the Molecular mass is misleading because that is an observation in a vacuum.

Carbon Dioxide is also a greenhouse gas and more readily absorbs thermal energy.

Under the principles of thermal expansion - the CO2 will more quickly expand, and thus will become lighter then the surrounding atmosphere when exposed to any thermal energy source (like sun light). This is why - despite the fact that fire produces CO2 which is heavier then O2 you're breathing, the only breathable air in a house fire is close to the floor rather then up around the ceiling.

So as i said -
CO2 is lighter then O2 and those scrubbers are not going to reach the upper atmosphere where all that CO2 is kept...


E pluribus unum as I said. Nobody is disputing upper atmosphere, even reactionaries do not believe that hot air descends....

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1352231015301151

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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/2/2017 8:27:59 AM   
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Yes and big corporations don't have much interest in planting trees. There's no money in it.


There's plenty of money in lumber.

However, planting trees won't cut it, much of the O2 comes from the oceans. It might help a little but it is not a solution.

T^T

Green growth (trees etc.) and the ocean (the biggest) are carbon sinks. It is they that absorb CO2. The healthier they are, the more CO2 absorbed and does not rise into the atmosphere.

To the extent we contaminate the ocean, see its temperature rise and remove green growth, mankind fucks with the natural carbon cycle and the more CO2 reaches the atmosphere.

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RE: Breathe Deep - 6/2/2017 10:26:15 AM   
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Well, we have thousands of square miles of pine and hardwood plantations, all over Queensland and SOMEbody planted them tamaka and if somebody planted I would guess that had a reason. Now what would that reason be I wonder ?????? OH YES ..... MONEY !!!! and those trees were planted by big corporations. Isn't that strange ???


Yes but i am talking about planting trees that will become a forest and leave them to grow huge, lush and green, and leave them that way. Not cut them down and replace them with small trees.

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