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Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 8:48:34 AM   
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Trump intervenes in Gulf rift, pointing at Qatar over militant funding
By Tom Finn and Sylvia Westall | DOHA/DUBAI
U.S. President Donald Trump, wading into the worst split between powerful Arab states in decades, said on Tuesday his trip to the Middle East was "already paying off" with leaders there taking a hard new line in accusing Qatar of funding of militant groups.

His blunt remarks cast the anti-Islamist speech he gave at a Riyadh summit in May as the inspiration for a decision by leading Arab powers to sever ties and transport links to Qatar in protest at what they say is its support for terrorism.

In fact, U.S. officials were blindsided by Saudi Arabia's decision to sever diplomatic ties with Qatar in a coordinated move with Egypt, Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates, current and former officials in Washington told Reuters.

"So good to see the Saudi Arabia visit with the King and 50 countries already paying off. They said they would take a hard line on funding extremism, and all reference was pointing to Qatar. Perhaps this will be the beginning of the end to the horror of terrorism!" Trump on Twitter.

The comments -- Trump's first about the rift between Qatar and major Arab nations over its alleged support of Iran and Islamist groups -- emerged at a delicate moment in the crisis as the leader of Kuwait was to meet in Saudi Arabia to try to mediate the dispute.

Qatar vehemently denies the accusations against it, calling them baseless. Ordinary Qataris, however, were to be found crowding into supermarkets to stock up on goods against the crisis.

Trump said, in apparent reference to top Gulf Arab powers Saudi Arabia and the UAE, that leaders he met on his trip had warned him Qatar was funding "radical ideology" after he had demanded they take action to stop financing militants.

It was not immediately clear what effect Trump's high profile intervention in the crisis would have.

U.S. officials had said on Monday that the United States would quietly try to calm the waters between Saudi Arabia and Qatar, arguing that the small Gulf state was too important to U.S. military and diplomatic interests to be isolated.

Qatar hosts 8,000 U.S. military personnel at al Udeid, the largest U.S. air base in the Middle East and a staging ground for U.S.-led strikes on the Islamic State militant group that has seized parts of Syria and Iraq.


Gulf Arab officials said Kuwait's Emir Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber al-Sabah will meet Saudi Arabia's King Salman hoping to heal the damaging rift which has affected global oil prices, hit travel plans and sown confusion among bankers and businesses in the region.

In a sign of the potential consequences for the Qatari economy, a number of banks in the region began stepping back from business dealings with Qatar. Saudi Arabia's central bank advised banks in the kingdom not to trade with Qatari banks in Qatari riyals, sources said.

Oil prices also fell on concern that the rift would undermine efforts by OPEC to tighten production.

Foreign Minister Sheikh Mohammed bin Abdulrahman al-Thani told Qatar-based Al Jazeera TV that Qatar will not retaliate, hoping Kuwait will help resolve the dispute. It wants to give Kuwait's ruler the ability to "proceed and communicate with the parties to the crisis and to try to contain the issue".

Qatar's leader, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad Al-Thani, spoke by telephone overnight with his counterpart in Kuwait and, in order to allow Kuwait to mediate, decided to put off a planned speech to the nation, the foreign minister said.

The split among the Sunni states erupted last month after the summit of Muslim leaders in Saudi Arabia where Trump denounced Shi'ite Iran's "destabilizing interventions" in Arab lands, where Tehran is locked in a tussle with Riyadh for influence.

Qatar has for years parlayed its enormous gas wealth and media influence into a broad influence in the region. But Gulf Arab neighbors and Egypt have long been irked by its maverick stances and support for the Muslim Brotherhood, which they regard as a political enemy.


Tightening pressure, Saudi Arabia's aviation authority revoked the license of Qatar Airways and ordered its offices to be closed within 48 hours, a day after the kingdom, the UAE and Bahrain closed their airspace to Qatari commercial flights.


Some Saudi Arabian and UAE commercial banks were also shunning Qatari banks, holding off on letters of credit, banking sources told Reuters on Tuesday.

With an estimated $335 billion of assets in its sovereign wealth fund and its gas exports earning billions of dollars every month, Qatar, however, has enough financial power to protect its banks.


Monday's decision forbids Saudi, UAE and Bahraini citizens from traveling to Qatar, residing in it or passing through it, instructing their citizens to leave Qatar within 14 days and Qatari nationals were given 14 days to leave those countries.

The measures are more severe than during a previous eight-month rift in 2014, when Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the UAE withdrew their ambassadors from Doha, again alleging Qatari support for militant groups.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-gulf-qatar-idUSKBN18X0KF






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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 8:51:14 AM   
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Bull in a china shop, with no clue what he's doing.

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 8:53:11 AM   
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_5039885/tm.htm

The Qatar one confuses me what am I missing?

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 8:54:23 AM   
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I would be surprised if he could find his own arse with a flash light let alone America-on a map.

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 9:04:40 AM   
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quote:

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Bull in a china shop, with no clue what he's doing.


Two words

Obama, ISIS.

Well, make that six - Arab Spring smoldering ruins

(You are mass projecting)

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 9:16:28 AM   
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http://www.collarchat.com/m_5039885/tm.htm

The Qatar one confuses me what am I missing?

There's this, for a start.

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 9:17:50 AM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Bull in a china shop, with no clue what he's doing.


Two words

Obama, ISIS.

Well, make that six - Arab Spring smoldering ruins

(You are mass projecting)

Right. The Bush Legacy.

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 9:20:25 AM   
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Obama and Biden were gushing about how Iraq was going to be the greatest success story of their presidency when they came into office, things were going so well there

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 9:29:49 AM   
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So was Bush. Democracy was going to wash across the Middle East.

The Bush Legacy.

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 9:33:02 AM   
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(thanks) LNG do you think?

Iran is more progressive than Saudi even I know that.

Christ they are not a member of OPEC either this gets worse - let me check whoremods Oh wait they are.

soooo
its about LNG isnt it nice and clean :) $100billion to $1000 billion bribes aside

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 10:32:32 AM   
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So was Bush. Democracy was going to wash across the Middle East.

The Bush Legacy.


Until Obama

And your Russian uranium reset queen big banker whore

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 10:38:51 AM   
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See, legacy is what comes after.

There is no after Bush before Obama.

Hence . . . the Bush Legacy. Which, granted, Obama continued.

You're on your own with your fetish about Hilary and pants.

Flaws of Bush's Arab democracy
http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/flaws-of-bush-s-arab-democracy-1.495327

In the wake of September 11th, 2001, president George W Bush said it was time to "shake off decades of failed policy in the Middle East". Bush admitted that "in the past we have been willing to make a bargain, to tolerate oppression for the sake of stability". Propping up dictators "merely bought time. While problems festered, ideologies of violence took hold," he noted, writes Lara Marlowe

After half a century of US blunders helped to make the Middle East the world's principal exporter of terrorism, Mr Bush concluded that the solution was to flood the Arab and Islamic world with democracy.

Better late than never, one is tempted to say. But democracy, as the Mexican writer Octavio Paz observed, is not Nescafé; you don't simply add water and stir. Fostering democracy in such an explosive region is a perilous undertaking.

Washington has overthrown one dictatorship at the cost of tens of thousands of lives, without any sign of an end to the bloodshed. Several other Arab regimes have been shaken, but if they fall, there is no guarantee that what follows will be better.

"This is a high-risk process," says the former French foreign minister Hubert Védrine, "like transporting nitroglycerine." Earlier this month, the US assistant secretary of state Daniel Fried visited Paris in an attempt to win French support for what he called "the US-European imperative to support democratic reform in the Middle East".

Mr Fried, like his boss, the US secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, is an eastern bloc specialist. They believe that Arab Muslims will rally to US-style democracy the way the Poles, Czechs and Hungarians did. Don't worry about the vast cultural and historical differences between the two regions: democracy is "as natural as the marketplace", Mr Fried said in a speech at the US embassy.

Is it possible to bomb democracy into being in Iraq? If present plans are carried out, Iraqis will have voted four times by early next year. But elections alone do not a democracy make; it must exist in the framework of the rule of law, and there is no rule of law in Iraq.

By promoting a sectarian system of government in Iraq, where all positions are based on quotas for Sunni, Kurds and Shia, the US is creating a mutilated democracy and favouring the emergence of an Iranian-style Islamic republic run by the majority Shia.

Already, shops selling alcohol are burned down. Women who do not wear the veil are attacked. In an article entitled "Iraq: Bush's Islamic Republic" published by the New York Review of Books, Peter Galbraith, a former US ambassador, quotes the head of Iranian intelligence in Erbil saying: "Throughout Iraq, the people we supported are in power."

US double-standards are as flagrant as ever. The election of the Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad in June was dismissed as a sham, because a clerical council vetted candidates. But Mr Bush congratulated the Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak when he was elected for a fifth term, saying the fact that other candidates - vetted by Mr Mubarak's party - were allowed to stand at all was "a beginning". America's aggressive pro-democracy stance has some positive effects. It accelerated the Syrian departure from Lebanon, and has given leeway to the Kifaya ("Enough") opposition to Mr Mubarak. But Syria and Lebanon are lurching through a period of uncertainty, and Washington is believed to be negotiating change within Bashar al-Assad's Syrian regime rather than risk real democracy.

The US predicted democracy would flower in the Arab world after Kuwait was liberated in 1991. Fourteen years later, Kuwait finally gave women the right to vote. According to a Kuwaiti diplomat: "The Americans told the emir that until women were enfranchised, there would be no more high-level contacts, and the crown prince's visit to Washington would be cancelled." What if George W Bush told the Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon: "No more high-level contacts until you stop colonising the West Bank"? Mr Bush's belief that democratic Arab governments would embrace Israel is based on a book by right-wing Israeli politician Natan Sharansky. In The Case for Democracy: The Power of Freedom to Overcome Tyranny and Terror, Sharansky argues that Palestinian anger is fabricated by Arab rulers eager to cling to power, and that Palestinians must become democrats before Israel can make peace.

If the US wanted to create a democratic Palestine, the first thing it would do would be to give president Mahmoud Abbas a realistic prospect of achieving an equitable peace settlement. Instead, Mr Sharon, echoed by US officials, now says the Palestinians must first pass the test of creating "democratic institutions" in Gaza. In other words, to regain the West Bank, which is theirs by international law, the Palestinians must meet US and Israeli standards of "democracy".

The US failure to work seriously for a just solution to the Palestinian problem is its biggest handicap in convincing Arab Muslims that it seeks democracy across the region. Until or unless that credibility gap is closed, Washington will not be trusted by the Arab democrats and reformers it claims it wants to help.

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 10:49:32 AM   
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The trick is to ask boscox about this uranium - not that he knows what it is

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 10:50:39 AM   
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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 11:08:07 AM   
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quote:

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(thanks) LNG do you think?

Iran is more progressive than Saudi even I know that.

Christ they are not a member of OPEC either this gets worse - let me check whoremods Oh wait they are.

soooo
its about LNG isnt it nice and clean :) $100billion to $1000 billion bribes aside

Actually, I think rather than it being about natural gas, it's about Qatar refusing to sell natural gas to the rest of OPEC on the cheap. A subtle distinction, but a significant one.

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 12:25:22 PM   
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perhaps...still about LNG aint it




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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 12:35:00 PM   
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Yep, but it sounds a bit better for the Saudis and the UAE to be pissing and moaning about terrorism than that, at least to the orange monkey in the white house and his even more clueless supporters.

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 12:54:04 PM   
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what do you call him again? Ill? il presedniate - you know i cant spell - the orange fantosh?

Have his fuking bitch call me

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 1:17:23 PM   
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El presidente?

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RE: Trump intervenes in Gulf rift - 6/6/2017 1:20:44 PM   
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You know i am a man of science and i scoff at spelling


El presidente kiddo raper

Him?

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