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Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fake news - 6/6/2017 5:05:11 PM   
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From Bruce Riedel, Senior Fellow - Foreign Policy, Center for 21st Century Security and Intelligence, Center for Middle East PolicyDirector - The Intelligence Project

Last month, President Trump visited Saudi Arabia and his administration announced that he had concluded a $110 billion arms deal with the kingdom. Only problem is that there is no deal. It’s fake news.

I’ve spoken to contacts in the defense business and on the Hill, and all of them say the same thing: There is no $110 billion deal. Instead, there are a bunch of letters of interest or intent, but not contracts. Many are offers that the defense industry thinks the Saudis will be interested in someday. So far nothing has been notified to the Senate for review. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the arms sales wing of the Pentagon, calls them “intended sales.” None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.

None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.

An example is a proposal for sale of four frigates (called multi-mission surface combatant vessels) to the Royal Saudi navy. This proposal was first reported by the State Department in 2015. No contract has followed. The type of frigate is a derivative of a vessel that the U.S. Navy uses but the derivative doesn’t actually exist yet. Another piece is the Terminal High Altitude Air Defense system (THAAD) which was recently deployed in South Korea. The Saudis have expressed interest in the system for several years but no contracts have been finalized. Obama approved the sale in principle at a summit at Camp David in 2015. Also on the wish list are 150 Black Hawk helicopters. Again, this is old news repackaged. What the Saudis and the administration did is put together a notional package of the Saudi wish list of possible deals and portray that as a deal. Even then the numbers don’t add up. It’s fake news.

Moreover, it’s unlikely that the Saudis could pay for a $110 billion deal any longer, due to low oil prices and the two-plus years old war in Yemen. President Obama sold the kingdom $112 billion in weapons over eight years, most of which was a single, huge deal in 2012 negotiated by then-Secretary of Defense Bob Gates. To get that deal through Congressional approval, Gates also negotiated a deal with Israel to compensate the Israelis and preserve their qualitative edge over their Arab neighbors. With the fall in oil prices, the Saudis have struggled to meet their payments since.

You will know the Trump deal is real when Israel begins to ask for a package to keep the Israeli Defense Forces’ qualitative edge preserved. What is coming soon is a billion-dollars deal for more munitions for the war in Yemen. The Royal Saudi Air Force needs more munitions to continue the air bombardment of the Arab world’s poorest country.

Finally, just as the arms deal is not what it was advertised, so is the much-hyped united Muslim campaign against terrorism. Instead, the Gulf states have turned on one of their own. Saudi Arabia has orchestrated a campaign to isolate Qatar. This weekend Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, and Egypt broke relations with Qatar. Saudi allies like the Maldives and Yemen jumped on the bandwagon. Saudi Arabia has closed its land border with Qatar.

This is not the first such spat but it may be the most dangerous. The Saudis and their allies are eager to punish Qatar for supporting the Muslim Brotherhood, for hosting Al-Jazeera, and keeping ties with Iran. Rather than a united front to contain Iran, the Riyadh summit’s outcome is exacerbating sectarian and political tensions in the region.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/06/05/the-110-billion-arms-deal-to-saudi-arabia-is-fake-news/
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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 5:07:52 PM   
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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 5:09:02 PM   
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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 5:10:24 PM   
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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 5:16:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Since "fake news" is a popular topic in this forum, I'm sure folks will appreciate this --

From Bruce Riedel, Senior Fellow - Foreign Policy, Center for 21st Century Security and Intelligence, Center for Middle East PolicyDirector - The Intelligence Project

Last month, President Trump visited Saudi Arabia and his administration announced that he had concluded a $110 billion arms deal with the kingdom. Only problem is that there is no deal. It’s fake news.

I’ve spoken to contacts in the defense business and on the Hill, and all of them say the same thing: There is no $110 billion deal. Instead, there are a bunch of letters of interest or intent, but not contracts. Many are offers that the defense industry thinks the Saudis will be interested in someday. So far nothing has been notified to the Senate for review. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency, the arms sales wing of the Pentagon, calls them “intended sales.” None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.

None of the deals identified so far are new, all began in the Obama administration.

An example is a proposal for sale of four frigates (called multi-mission surface combatant vessels) to the Royal Saudi navy. This proposal was first reported by the State Department in 2015. No contract has followed. The type of frigate is a derivative of a vessel that the U.S. Navy uses but the derivative doesn’t actually exist yet. Another piece is the Terminal High Altitude Air Defense system (THAAD) which was recently deployed in South Korea. The Saudis have expressed interest in the system for several years but no contracts have been finalized. Obama approved the sale in principle at a summit at Camp David in 2015. Also on the wish list are 150 Black Hawk helicopters. Again, this is old news repackaged. What the Saudis and the administration did is put together a notional package of the Saudi wish list of possible deals and portray that as a deal. Even then the numbers don’t add up. It’s fake news.

Moreover, it’s unlikely that the Saudis could pay for a $110 billion deal any longer, due to low oil prices and the two-plus years old war in Yemen. President Obama sold the kingdom $112 billion in weapons over eight years, most of which was a single, huge deal in 2012 negotiated by then-Secretary of Defense Bob Gates. To get that deal through Congressional approval, Gates also negotiated a deal with Israel to compensate the Israelis and preserve their qualitative edge over their Arab neighbors. With the fall in oil prices, the Saudis have struggled to meet their payments since.

You will know the Trump deal is real when Israel begins to ask for a package to keep the Israeli Defense Forces’ qualitative edge preserved. What is coming soon is a billion-dollars deal for more munitions for the war in Yemen. The Royal Saudi Air Force needs more munitions to continue the air bombardment of the Arab world’s poorest country.

Finally, just as the arms deal is not what it was advertised, so is the much-hyped united Muslim campaign against terrorism. Instead, the Gulf states have turned on one of their own. Saudi Arabia has orchestrated a campaign to isolate Qatar. This weekend Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Bahrain, and Egypt broke relations with Qatar. Saudi allies like the Maldives and Yemen jumped on the bandwagon. Saudi Arabia has closed its land border with Qatar.

This is not the first such spat but it may be the most dangerous. The Saudis and their allies are eager to punish Qatar for supporting the Muslim Brotherhood, for hosting Al-Jazeera, and keeping ties with Iran. Rather than a united front to contain Iran, the Riyadh summit’s outcome is exacerbating sectarian and political tensions in the region.

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2017/06/05/the-110-billion-arms-deal-to-saudi-arabia-is-fake-news/


(You are aware that The Brookings Institute is fully funded by the federal Government? It is a "private" agency....fully funded by the U.S. Govt.).

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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 5:22:07 PM   
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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 5:28:50 PM   
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Third thread about Qatar...

Wait, no, my bad

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Nope, you are a retarded felchgobbler of putinjizz, that is about all there is to say about you. Thats been said. This is a thread about the FAKE NEWS that is being gushed out like putinjizz by the whitecouse and the felchgobbling nutsuckers. Yeah, it is about you.

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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 5:38:52 PM   
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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 5:56:59 PM   
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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 5:58:08 PM   
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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 6:00:19 PM   
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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 6:01:37 PM   
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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 6:02:42 PM   
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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 6:07:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Interesting article from FOrtune.com from 24 may....
Trump’s $110 billion Saudi Arabia Weapons Deal Won’t Spawn American Jobs
Mina Chang
May 24, 2017
Earlier this week, President Trump signed a nearly $110 billion weapons deal with Saudi Arabia, a move that immediately sent defense stocks from Boeing to Lockheed Martin soaring, as investors expected it would spawn US job growth and greater security cooperation, particularly in the fight against ISIS.

The case for this deal is made to sound like a winning combination that both encourages investment in American jobs while putting responsibility on Saudis to “drive out” terrorism. But violent extremist groups are not America’s greatest threat. The real threat is an increasingly influential kingdom with a powerful military capability that does not share America’s values of freedom for all, human dignity, and justice.
The deal should have been negotiated with certain conditions as exchanges of such scale can carry unintended consequences that we will pay a greater cost for later.

Saudi Arabia‘s economy has been embroiled in conflict and suffering from the volatile price of oil and massive deficits. Their egregious history of human rights violations have kept U.S.- Saudi relations restrained to oil and security cooperation.
But the latest defense deal suggests Saudi Arabia sees an opportunity, suggesting officials are open to crafting an ambitious and politically aggressive strategy to exchange its reliance on oil revenues for military-industrial revenues.
This sentiment echoes Saudi Vision 2030, the country’s business plan to become the heart of the Arab and Islamic worlds which aims to diversify its economy away from oil as well as lessen its dependence on other countries for military capabilities.

Saudi Arabia has been courting Trump by proposing projects that they point to as mutually beneficial. And Trump’s speech noted that America’s relationship is “based on shared interests and values.” But we must remember that while mutual interests might be shared interests, they are not the same as equal ones. And we must look at how those ideals could be used to justify their own interests and agenda.
Saudi Arabia is currently one of the world’s leading buyers of U.S. weapons, but only 2% of production and repair happen in the Kingdom. Historically, U.S. defense packages have come with long-term sustainment contracts for repairs, upgrades, and modernization, which theoretically produce American jobs but don’t actually do so, largely because of the automation of those production processes. So, those jobs aren’t going back to traditional manufacturing laborers, but at best, a smaller number of young, high-skilled employees from the technology sectors.
The Kingdom is investing over $1.62 billion domestically on offensive and deterrence programs, including advanced guidance systems, defense radars, and sensors, as well as communications and electronic warfare capabilities.

By 2030, over 50% of Saudi Arabia’s military spending will be on domestic procurement, expertise, research, and development. The majority of manufacturing and repairs of military vehicles, aircraft, drones and missiles — all the air and land systems support that would usually go to American contractors — would now be done locally.
What’s more, lawmakers, concerned with just how many jobs this deal truly creates for Americans, also voice concerns about negotiating deals and consequently abandoning our democratic values by endorsing oppressive regime like Saudi Arabia. The US is effectively helping them become a growing power, strengthening their ability to spread their values in the region.
So is this deal good for America in the long term? Are we trading in our leadership and values for short term gains that will bear unintended consequences?
America must lead again. Because if we don’t lead, I promise you; we won’t like who will.


http://fortune.com/2017/05/24/saudi-us-saudi-arabi-weapons-deal/


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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 6:08:35 PM   
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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 6:13:51 PM   
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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 6:17:05 PM   
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RE: Brookings: $110 billion Saudi Arabia arms deal fak... - 6/6/2017 6:17:59 PM   
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