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WickedsDesire -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (7/29/2017 6:55:37 PM)

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Musicmystery -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (7/29/2017 7:20:40 PM)


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Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps

So much for pro-business.

* Trump wants to charge retailers a fee for accepting food stamps as payment from the poor.
* Separately, the Trump administration is proposing $191 billion in cuts over the next decade to the food stamp program.

The White House proposal to overhaul the U.S. food stamp program — and the deep cuts it would make to benefits for the poorest households — has sparked public outrage on both sides of the aisle. But there's another change tucked into the proposal that businesses say caught them off guard — and could wind up costing them more than $2 billion.

That provision is a new fee that the White House wants to charge retailers that accept food stamps.

The proposal surprised the grocery industry, which is already fighting to block the controversial border adjustment tax on Capitol Hill. That measure would lower the cost of exports but raise the price of imports and has been widely opposed by chain retailers. Trump's food stamp fee, however, would fall squarely on supermarkets.

Grocers oppose the "flawed policy of imposing fees on food retailers in order to reduce the cost of the federal government's nutrition assistance benefits to the most needy in our society," said Leslie G. Sarasin, president of the Food Marketing Institute, which represents the industry.
Changes hit congressional opposition

But the proposed changes are already running into obstacles on Capitol Hill — even among Republicans. Rep. Michael Conaway of Texas and Sen. Pat Roberts of Kansas, the chairmen of the House and Senate agriculture committees, have signaled they would fight the measure.

"We need to take a look at our nutrition assistance programs to ensure that they are helping the most vulnerable in our society," they said in a statement.

"Implementing cuts to that extent are going to have stark consequences for retailers, especially in low-income communities." -Brian Lang, director of healthy food access, The Food Trust

More: http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/07/trump-wants-to-start-charging-stores-to-accept-food-stamps.html


This is no different than the slow progression towards all social programs (SSI among many) that were supposed to be free of any encumbrance....yet today even SSI is taxed at some level.

So...now (no less than health insurance was once at $500.00 deductible...now upwards of $5,000.00...the spread is...in fact...actually...in every mathematical reality...a tax)...every social benefit is taxed (deal with it).

So also is Welfare and even...at a state level...unemployment.

Dare to presume this is anti business? It is in fact...business.

The govt. is a business....and they want their share...whether you make a little...or a lot.

(Even if the check comes from them).

Here's the truth...whether you believe it or not...we simply don't have enough money coming in to pay all that is going out....unless....

We all agree that bridges to nowhere and...YOUR Senator.....is/are...wrong...and must stop.

Meaning....all the shit YOU want....all the shit I want....

We all have to buck up.

Bannon is proposing a new (higher) 44% tax on the "uber" wealthy.

To balance the REAL....proposed.....reductions of taxes on the lower and middle.

(Which are desperately needed).

It's still not enough so....at what point do we stop taxing the wealthy into oblivion? At what point do they say...."Ehhhh....I'll head to...thus and so country"?

I personally, don't believe we can go much farther on the upper end.

Knowing that the upper 10% pay 3+ times what they paid (in % of the total) than they paid in 1980....and that the lower 60% pay LESS than 1/2 what they paid in the same period....at some point...the wealthy are going to crack and say...."in today's digital economy....I can live in ___________ and pay 1/2 the taxes....still sell stuff to American's.....why would I live in America?"

At some point...we cannot continue giving tax breaks to the lowest 80% and still be a viable country.

Without getting into all that . . .

The key issue is:
a) pass law
b) don't actually fund it
c) pass off funding to different sector

There's no reason businesses should have to pay to accept food stamps -- and I suspect it's a crappy attempt to get businesses to refuse accepting food stamps, making them impractical to use.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (7/30/2017 5:44:16 AM)

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Without getting into all that . . .
The key issue is:
a) pass law
b) don't actually fund it
c) pass off funding to different sector
There's no reason businesses should have to pay to accept food stamps -- and I suspect it's a crappy attempt to get businesses to refuse accepting food stamps, making them impractical to use.


The outcry from the public would be deafening if a major grocery retailer decided to not accept food stamps. The Feds know this, and are simply trying to extort money from the grocers. It's likely a maneuver by the Feds to pass some of the costs of the program onto the grocers.






Kaliko -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (7/30/2017 6:14:56 AM)


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It's called a Mixed Economy, and we've been living under that system -- as has most of the world -- for over a century now.


Really? What businesses does the government own & run? Do you get your groceries at a government grocery store?

Military, Postal Service, VA, Intelligence, the list goes on and on.....

The police, whoever does road maintenance over there and the public school system spring to mind as well.

Regulation of utilities and financial markets too.

Licensing of professionals and trades.

Subsidies of oil and industrial faming.

Government cheese and honey.


New Hampshire's state-run liquor stores - located conveniently on the side of our highways.



The state owns the store?



Yes. "By statute, all liquor sold in New Hampshire must be sold through a sales and distribution system operated by the State Liquor Commission. Liquor under direct state control includes wine and spirits. This Commission is directed by the statute to set liquor prices at levels sufficient to cover all operating costs of the Commission and state liquor stores, with a profit margin to the State. The Commission currently operates 76 stores throughout the State."

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Transparent NH (An official NH Government site.)




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (7/30/2017 6:18:13 AM)


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Without getting into all that . . .
The key issue is:
a) pass law
b) don't actually fund it
c) pass off funding to different sector
There's no reason businesses should have to pay to accept food stamps -- and I suspect it's a crappy attempt to get businesses to refuse accepting food stamps, making them impractical to use.


The outcry from the public would be deafening if a major grocery retailer decided to not accept food stamps. The Feds know this, and are simply trying to extort money from the grocers. It's likely a maneuver by the Feds to pass some of the costs of the program onto the grocers.




Yep.

Hence the OP about Trump not being pro-business.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (7/30/2017 7:58:19 AM)

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Yes. "By statute, all liquor sold in New Hampshire must be sold through a sales and distribution system operated by the State Liquor Commission. Liquor under direct state control includes wine and spirits. This Commission is directed by the statute to set liquor prices at levels sufficient to cover all operating costs of the Commission and state liquor stores, with a profit margin to the State. The Commission currently operates 76 stores throughout the State."
Source:
Transparent NH (An official NH Government site.)


In Ohio, pretty much all grocery stores sell beer and wine, and dilute spirits (not sure of the cutoff, but I know I can get 42-proof liquor at Meijer, Wal-Mart, Kroger, and most convenience stores. To get stronger liquor, you have to go a "State Liquor store." Some are stand-alone establishments, but the majority in NW Ohio have a separate "room" within most Kroger grocery stores. There is but one way in and one way out of those "State stores" and the employees within are Kroger employees. Prices, I do believe, are set by the State and the only time I recall seeing any "sales" price was when something was a clearance item, or it was a seasonal package (ie. came with special glassware/stemware or shaker set).




Wayward5oul -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (7/30/2017 8:49:53 AM)


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It's called a Mixed Economy, and we've been living under that system -- as has most of the world -- for over a century now.


Really? What businesses does the government own & run? Do you get your groceries at a government grocery store?

Military, Postal Service, VA, Intelligence, the list goes on and on.....

The police, whoever does road maintenance over there and the public school system spring to mind as well.

Regulation of utilities and financial markets too.

Licensing of professionals and trades.

Subsidies of oil and industrial faming.

Government cheese and honey.


New Hampshire's state-run liquor stores - located conveniently on the side of our highways.



The state owns the store?



Yes. "By statute, all liquor sold in New Hampshire must be sold through a sales and distribution system operated by the State Liquor Commission. Liquor under direct state control includes wine and spirits. This Commission is directed by the statute to set liquor prices at levels sufficient to cover all operating costs of the Commission and state liquor stores, with a profit margin to the State. The Commission currently operates 76 stores throughout the State."

Source:
Transparent NH (An official NH Government site.)

Same in Alabama.




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (7/30/2017 11:39:45 AM)

Then there's rationing in WWII.




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (8/3/2017 1:51:52 PM)


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It's called a Mixed Economy, and we've been living under that system -- as has most of the world -- for over a century now.


Really? What businesses does the government own & run? Do you get your groceries at a government grocery store?


General Motors, for one. NASA once upon a time, and probably many more we don't know about. Those businesses that contracted out to the military and ended up at risk of being bought out by China.

WE used to be more careful about that sort of thing. Then our leaders got greedy.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (8/3/2017 1:55:31 PM)

I went to page 3-5 today and I wanted to bump this back to the main page. You need a reality before i do so - all of you




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (8/3/2017 2:37:11 PM)

Topic.




stef -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (8/3/2017 2:46:27 PM)


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You need a reality before i do so - all of you

You need your meds.




tamaka -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (8/3/2017 2:49:11 PM)


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It's called a Mixed Economy, and we've been living under that system -- as has most of the world -- for over a century now.


Really? What businesses does the government own & run? Do you get your groceries at a government grocery store?

Military, Postal Service, VA, Intelligence, the list goes on and on.....

The police, whoever does road maintenance over there and the public school system spring to mind as well.

Regulation of utilities and financial markets too.

Licensing of professionals and trades.

Subsidies of oil and industrial faming.

Government cheese and honey.


New Hampshire's state-run liquor stores - located conveniently on the side of our highways.



The state owns the store?



Yes. "By statute, all liquor sold in New Hampshire must be sold through a sales and distribution system operated by the State Liquor Commission. Liquor under direct state control includes wine and spirits. This Commission is directed by the statute to set liquor prices at levels sufficient to cover all operating costs of the Commission and state liquor stores, with a profit margin to the State. The Commission currently operates 76 stores throughout the State."

Source:
Transparent NH (An official NH Government site.)

Same in Alabama.



That's interesting. So the state gets all profits on sales of alcohol instead of a corporation or private business getting it. Isn't New Hampshire supposed to be the 'Live Free or Die' state?




Musicmystery -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (8/3/2017 3:09:06 PM)

. . . so say license plates stamped out by prison inmates.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (8/3/2017 3:11:52 PM)

I stamp my musk to all of reality




tamaka -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (8/3/2017 3:14:47 PM)


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I stamp my musk to all of reality


Wicked... go watch tv




WickedsDesire -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (8/3/2017 3:31:07 PM)

what should I watch and with whom?

someone called me at 445am and said to me " I dont want to be alone" I called her back at 450am :))) and she was with me 12 hours - now whoo would do that on here other than me?





WickedsDesire -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (8/3/2017 3:34:27 PM)

none of you?




tamaka -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (8/3/2017 3:35:09 PM)


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what should I watch and with whom?

someone called me at 445am and said to me " I dont want to be alone" I called her back at 450am :))) and she was with me 12 hours - now whoo would do that on here other than me?




I watch tv by myself all of the time. You don't need anyone to watch it with. Now, do you happen to have Netflix?




WickedsDesire -> RE: Trump wants to start charging stores to accept food stamps (8/3/2017 4:04:40 PM)

Does anyone on this site have a reality (other than me)




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