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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 2:18:16 PM

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Getting your "information" from a biased, propaganda website like TROP is not "studying their book", so it's impossible to take anything you have to say as being expert opinion. And TROP is definitely not a legitimate source of information.

Another ad hominem...

Try disputing the content, what they wrote rather than attack them for writing the facts down. But then, you can't do that, can you - because you are a leftist.

Do you want to see the text, from the Koran? I have posted it many times before and I can do it again - keep rubbing your noses in the truth until finally you may learn your very basic lessons

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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 2:35:21 PM

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No tactics involved.

You are a bigot.

I don't see any difference between your attitude towards Muslims and the attitude you say Muslims have towards non-Muslims.

Facts really aren't your friend, are they. The very best you have on a good day is a personal attack

The immediate solution to deal with the Muslim problem is to not import them. Paris has paramilitary on the streets specifically because they have a lot of Muslims living there, and London is going to have to do the same thing. So there's that. A lot of security, and monitoring if they are already in the area.

Long term, educate them. Bring them from the 7th century to this century using every means at our disposal. Radio free Middle East, literature drops.

If you have to go into hiding because you drew a cartoon, then you are doing it wrong.

What all that bluster and you are just going to try to educate them because you know better? Muslims commit fewer crimes in the UK than people of other religions. Unlike the US, we do collect the figures. So tell me, what are we going to teach them about being law-abiding citizens?

All those personal attacks on people (including me) for being liberals and soft on Muslims, when you are going to drop a few leaflets to encourage them to think differently? Oh and if you are seeking social change and to improve attitudes, what about white non-Muslims who think beating up women is okay or who rape and commit child abuse, are they getting the leaflets too?

All the abuse of Europeans and their approach to Islamic extremism when most countries already have very tough policing, information gathering and legal systems to address terrorism and extremism, and your solution is to monitor them? What exactly do you think is happening already?

All the criticism of community cohesion initiatives to integrate people of all backgrounds to allow them to access justice and to isolate and root out terrorists and extremists, when all you are advocating is a bit of schooling?

You are the one who is soft on extremism. You throw around your prejudice and hatred of Muslims and then you advocate much less than is already happening in the UK, who you criticise for being soft on Muslims.

Best of all you, of all people, who spends most of his time attacking other posters is now trying to call someone out for making personal attacks. You would do well to look up the meaning of the word hypocrisy. Where I come from we have an expression "all pants and no trousers". It describes you perfectly.

(Oh and by the way, you have once again quoted something I said in a reply to another poster and passed it off as if I said it to you. It was responding specifically to something Tamaka said. The words were not directed at you. Implying that they were by either carelessly or deliberately missing that out of your quotation is dishonest and misleading.)

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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 2:37:13 PM

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Getting your "information" from a biased, propaganda website like TROP is not "studying their book", so it's impossible to take anything you have to say as being expert opinion. And TROP is definitely not a legitimate source of information.

Another ad hominem...

Try disputing the content, what they wrote rather than attack them for writing the facts down. But then, you can't do that, can you - because you are a leftist.

Do you want to see the text, from the Koran? I have posted it many times before and I can do it again - keep rubbing your noses in the truth until finally you may learn your very basic lessons

Really?

From the king of the ad hominem?

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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 2:40:50 PM

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What all that bluster and you are just going to try to educate them because you know better? Muslims commit fewer crimes in the UK than people of other religions. Unlike the US, we do collect the figures. So tell me, what are we going to teach them about being law-abiding citizens?

You are changing the subject, this isn't about paying parking tickets. Are you lost? This is about slaughtering innocents in deliberately terroristic ways, specifically targeting children and using devices that maim

And in that regard they lead every group on the planet, except perhaps for Marxists

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All those personal attacks on people (including me) for being liberals and soft on Muslims, when you are going to drop a few leaflets to encourage them to think differently? Oh and if you are seeking social change and to improve attitudes, what about white non-Muslims who think beating up women is okay or who rape and commit child abuse, are they getting the leaflets too?

All the abuse of Europeans and their approach to Islamic extremism when most countries already have very tough policing, information gathering and legal systems to address terrorism and extremism, and your solution is to monitor them? What exactly do you think is happening already?

All the criticism of community cohesion initiatives to integrate people of all backgrounds to allow them to access justice and to isolate and root out terrorists and extremists, when all you are advocating is a bit of schooling?

You are the one who is soft on extremism. You throw around your prejudice and hatred of Muslims and then you advocate much less than is already happening in the UK, who you criticise for being soft on Muslims.

Best of all you, of all people, who spends most of his time attacking other posters is now trying to call someone out for making personal attacks. You would do well to look up the meaning of the word hypocrisy. Where I come from we have an expression "all pants and no trousers". It describes you perfectly.

(Oh and by the way, you have once again quoted something I said in a reply to another poster and passed it off as if I said it to you. It was responding specifically to something Tamaka said. The words were not directed at you. Implying that they were by either carelessly or deliberately missing that out of your quotation is dishonest and misleading.)

More diversion and ad hominems, all non sequiturs

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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 2:49:10 PM

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What all that bluster and you are just going to try to educate them because you know better? Muslims commit fewer crimes in the UK than people of other religions. Unlike the US, we do collect the figures. So tell me, what are we going to teach them about being law-abiding citizens?

You are changing the subject, this isn't about paying parking tickets. Are you lost? This is about slaughtering innocents in deliberately terroristic ways, specifically targeting children and using devices that maim

And in that regard they lead every group on the planet, except perhaps for Marxists

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All those personal attacks on people (including me) for being liberals and soft on Muslims, when you are going to drop a few leaflets to encourage them to think differently? Oh and if you are seeking social change and to improve attitudes, what about white non-Muslims who think beating up women is okay or who rape and commit child abuse, are they getting the leaflets too?

All the abuse of Europeans and their approach to Islamic extremism when most countries already have very tough policing, information gathering and legal systems to address terrorism and extremism, and your solution is to monitor them? What exactly do you think is happening already?

All the criticism of community cohesion initiatives to integrate people of all backgrounds to allow them to access justice and to isolate and root out terrorists and extremists, when all you are advocating is a bit of schooling?

You are the one who is soft on extremism. You throw around your prejudice and hatred of Muslims and then you advocate much less than is already happening in the UK, who you criticise for being soft on Muslims.

Best of all you, of all people, who spends most of his time attacking other posters is now trying to call someone out for making personal attacks. You would do well to look up the meaning of the word hypocrisy. Where I come from we have an expression "all pants and no trousers". It describes you perfectly.

(Oh and by the way, you have once again quoted something I said in a reply to another poster and passed it off as if I said it to you. It was responding specifically to something Tamaka said. The words were not directed at you. Implying that they were by either carelessly or deliberately missing that out of your quotation is dishonest and misleading.)

More diversion and ad hominems, all non sequiturs

You have no solutions to the problem you say exists.

I get it. You don't like Muslims and you think that they are all trying to kill every non-Muslim. Once you make that assertion though, you have nothing to suggest. Saying that is far less of an "ad hominem" than the abuse you dole out to others.

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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 2:54:03 PM

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You have no solutions to the problem you say exists.

I get it. You don't like Muslims and you think that they are all trying to kill every non-Muslim. Once you make that assertion though, you have nothing to suggest. Saying that is far less of an "ad hominem" than the abuse you dole out to others.

I don't hate Muslims, I am just smart about them. I know what they are taught to believe, and I know about the things that they have done. You on the other hand are ignorant about them.

I posted a few possible realistic solutions. Are you consciously choosing to ignore them?

I never posted that they are all this or that, but I don't waste a lot of time choosing PC language, either. I posted about what the Koran tells Muslims and the things that they do, and perhaps I speak rather generally but it is nothing but the facts.

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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 3:19:47 PM

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And any of you bleeding heart ultrasickening liberals want to call me a brute or an animal, remember FIVE YEARS OLD. I would have crucified those animals. And they aren't even deporting them back to the third world swamp where their kind belong.

Really?
And there was me thinking you'd said that you'd still vote for the blob of orange shit in the white house over Hilary even if he was a pedophile.
Makes the moral high ground you're trying to claim there look a bit shakey, frankly.

You and your fucking dogma. there has not been one complaint that could be considered serious. And if a 16 year old is in the Playboy Mansion I assume she is of age. Show me just one credible accusation against our great orange leader who makes you chafe like your collar is too tight. (and I am enjoying every second of you bleeding hearts whining and bitching, do keep it up)

Not one credible accusation but you got him convicted. Yeah those small hands are a dead giveaway huh ? Fucking idiot. There is enough real shit to bitch about without you ninnies making up bullshit. And you have plunged your credibility to below zero claiming all this stupid shit. How does that grabya ?

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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 3:23:28 PM

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The Muslim cult encourages the rape and sexual enslavement of infidel women and children. That's booty, Allah's blessed reward for waging bloody jihad

And that line of thinking permeates their culture

Therefore Trump is great for giving them weapons.

Leftists always scream that it's government who decides who get weapons...

Why do you have a problem with this

Remember, they're the same people who applauded Barack Hussein Obama for giving Iran millions, maybe billions of dollars. Now that Trump actually made a profit from selling Saudi Arabia weapons in which to defend themselves from that same regime that Obama rained cash from on high, they have a problem with arming Muslims... Yeah, they're the same asshats who whined about a travel ban too.

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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 3:34:00 PM

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And Iran is led by suicidal crazies who brag about building nukes, acquiring ICBMs, and they lead their people in chants of death

Arming those who oppose them is just smart, especially after Obama's blatantly traitorous acts on their behalf

Good to see you posting, Rob

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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 3:45:13 PM

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Can I just ask why it seems that it is only miscarriages of justice where Muslims are the perpetrators that seem to end up on these Boards?

I don't know the whole story (even from reading the links) but any assault of a five year old is a serious matter.

However I would just ask why there is not a stream of horror stories about equally distressing stories where a non-Muslim is the perpetrator?

It would appear that these guys didn't get a proportionate sentence, but why is the most important fact about them that they are Muslims?

Ideology.

How would you describe your blind prejudice then?

I don't see much difference between your fevered hatred of Muslims and the hatred of "infidels" you ascribe to them.

Most of the Muslims I meet and live alongside are far less prejudiced than you.

"First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye."

It's their ideology. No emotion or judgment needed. And trying to make it a judgmental and/or emotional issue does not change their ideology. Sorry, your tactics don't work.

No tactics involved.

You are a bigot.

I don't see any difference between your attitude towards Muslims and the attitude you say Muslims have towards non-Muslims.

You are trying to make a personal attack against me because you can't argue the plain truth of what i said. Sorry, that doesn't do anything for your position. You actually are a very judgmental person. Perhaps you should look for a mistress to beat that shit out of you.

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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 3:49:06 PM

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And any of you bleeding heart ultrasickening liberals want to call me a brute or an animal, remember FIVE YEARS OLD. I would have crucified those animals. And they aren't even deporting them back to the third world swamp where their kind belong.

Really?
And there was me thinking you'd said that you'd still vote for the blob of orange shit in the white house over Hilary even if he was a pedophile.
Makes the moral high ground you're trying to claim there look a bit shakey, frankly.

You and your fucking dogma. there has not been one complaint that could be considered serious. And if a 16 year old is in the Playboy Mansion I assume she is of age. Show me just one credible accusation against our great orange leader who makes you chafe like your collar is too tight. (and I am enjoying every second of you bleeding hearts whining and bitching, do keep it up)

Not one credible accusation but you got him convicted. Yeah those small hands are a dead giveaway huh ? Fucking idiot. There is enough real shit to bitch about without you ninnies making up bullshit. And you have plunged your credibility to below zero claiming all this stupid shit. How does that grabya ?

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They literally live in make-believe worlds

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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 4:00:44 PM

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Thank gawd no non-Muslim folks have hurt anyone in like....forever.......

oh yeah, the "facts" in your story are wrong too.

http://www.idahostatesman.com/news/state/idaho/article154650829.html

Nothing in your cite actually refutes anything.

And, you want to stick up for rapists ? I hope your family gets raped. There is a reason we have jails. You don't want rapists put in jails then YOU live with them motherfucker. The facts are established, they raped. They should be fucking executed IMO, but the bleeding hearts won't allow real justice on this planet.

Let me tell you how it is sand niggers. (and that term is offensive to me) You rape our White Women you will be found in a dumpster. Do you realize how many "murders" are unsolved in this country ? Over half of them. Check the statistics with the government if you don't believe me. And I told you a thousand times that we have more killings because we have more people who need to be killed. If you rape our little girls that means YOU.

All you immigrants, I am going to say this once : YOU ADAPT TO US. You obey our laws and don't even think of changing them, that is why this is a REPUBLIC. You don't get to vote on making me paint my house or gang raping my kids. If you like that shit then go back where the fuck you crawled out from under.

And I am not saying that to all Muslims, only the ones who rape and the ones who look the other way and let it happen. We do not let it happen here, we KILL PEOPLE over that shit, you got it Achmed ? You are in our country now and you will obey our laws. And Allah help you if you escape our criminal justice system like these pieces of shit. Fuck, at their age I could almost fit all three of them into one plastic bag. (I got those big hazmat ones if anyone is interested).

I hope this illustrates that I and a whole bunch of other people are not going to keep pussyfooting around. People disappear every day in this country, so if you assholes want to be someone we would like to disappear go right ahead. You know, when the truck comes for a dumpster it does not look to see if there are bodies inside And we hunt so we can butcher your carcass and make you easier to handle.

There are probably 150 million gun owners in this country. You should think long and hard before fucking with our family members. I am 56 years old, I am a decent shot. Years ago I took out a bird in flight with a BB gun. I was a dead eye, and I still now how to do it even though my vision is not what is once was. I can still kill from across the street with a handgun.

And since I've been made, and my connections, I doubt I would ever wear handcuffs even for a second after shooting you motherfuckers.

And now I got something to say about Muslims and you snowflakes might not like it.

It seems to me they are extremely shitty on bed. They want virgins for one, that is a sign of lack of confidence because the last guy might have taken care of her better. And this raping the younger and younger, same thing. In fact the darker races in Africa raped infants because they believed it cured AIDS.

Personally, I am a MAN and I want to see the Woman enjoy what I do to her. I like to hear her go "OOOOOOH !". These niggers are just using them for a dick receptacle. For all the respect they show someone even willing (which is not always the case, which is the point) they might as well use a blow up doll from an X rated store. That is all they think of them. Fill one of those rubber bitches with hot water and these lowlifes will probably not be able to tell the difference.

I'll make you ultrasickening liberals a deal, you keep those fucking animals out of MY COUNTRY and I won't kill them..

Fair enough ?

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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 4:07:01 PM

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The Muslim cult encourages the rape and sexual enslavement of infidel women and children. That's booty, Allah's blessed reward for waging bloody jihad

And that line of thinking permeates their culture

Therefore Trump is great for giving them weapons.

Yeah, same with Obama, Reagan, Bush and so on.

So what is your point cry in boy ?

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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 4:09:54 PM

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Can I just ask why it seems that it is only miscarriages of justice where Muslims are the perpetrators that seem to end up on these Boards?

I don't know the whole story (even from reading the links) but any assault of a five year old is a serious matter.

However I would just ask why there is not a stream of horror stories about equally distressing stories where a non-Muslim is the perpetrator?

It would appear that these guys didn't get a proportionate sentence, but why is the most important fact about them that they are Muslims?

Ok then You find them, you post them and we will discuss them

Cant find any ? Oops.

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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 8:36:38 PM

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FR.
I noticed the age of the boys havent been mentioned.
Few details of the attack have been available because the juvenile court records are sealed — standard practice in Idaho.

Throughout June, rumors of the incident grew into a tale of Syrian refugees raping the 5-year-old at knifepoint, then sharing video of the attack with a parent, who celebrated with the boys.

Prosecutors and police said a sexual assault did occur, but many of the details — the knife, that it was a rape, sharing the video, even the defendants’ ethnicities — were wrong. Some people, including critics of the federal refugee program, were not convinced by those statements, and the case became another point of dispute in the national discussion about immigration.

Three boys, ages 7, 10 and 14, were detained. The youngest boy is from Iraq, while the older two, brothers, are from Eritrea, an African nation. They were previously described as being from Sudan; their family passed through Sudanese refugee camps, Slate reported last year.

The youngest boy was alleged to have touched the girl. The older boys were accused of using a cellphone to record a video of the incident, which took place in a laundry room at the Fawnbrook Apartments.

Tuesday’s news release did not specify which boys ended up pleading to which charges, and the defendants’ names have not been released — again, because of how juvenile cases are handled in Idaho.

Yes, it is terrible, a five year old being subjected to that, its a fucking nightmare for her and her family. But its strange its only JUST come up how old the boys are, why is that????
To all of you wishing death on children, congrats....and you cant even try to read the REAL story.
No IM not supporting what the boys did, anyone knows my posting history knows rape is something I am very passionate about, but ADULTS on this forum should know better.

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RE: Terrible - 6/10/2017 8:51:05 PM

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Name the last Muslim who an American managed to kill here on our own soil, who wasn't involved in terrorism

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-kansas-india-idUSKBN1630LZ

A white U.S. Navy veteran has been charged with killing an engineer from India and wounding two other men when he opened fire in a Kansas bar in what federal authorities were investigating on Friday as a possible hate crime that shocked the victim's home country.

Purinton is accused of killing Srinivas Kuchibhotla, 32, and wounding Alok Madasani, also 32, in Austins Bar and Grill in Olathe, Kansas, on Wednesday evening, police said. At least one bystander told the Kansas City Star the gunman shouted "get out of my country" before shooting the Indian victims.

While not in the US white man kills six muslims, is a trump fan
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/quebec-mosque-louvre-attack-islamist-terror-white-donald-trump-twitter-muslim-ban-judge-a7563306.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/dec/19/death-ray-plot-muslims-obama-glendon-scott-crawford-new-york
White supremacist gets 30 years prison for his plot to kill Muslims and Obama

Non-Muslims Carried Out More than 90% of All Terrorist Attacks in America
http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619

http://resistancereport.com/news/white-terrorists-killed-more-this-week/

White Terrorists Killed More Americans This Week Than Refugees Have in 40 Years

California gunman kills three 'in race attack' in Fresno

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Chapel_Hill_shooting

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RE: Terrible - 6/11/2017 12:40:43 AM

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The Muslim cult encourages the rape and sexual enslavement of infidel women and children. That's booty, Allah's blessed reward for waging bloody jihad

And that line of thinking permeates their culture

Therefore Trump is great for giving them weapons.

Leftists always scream that it's government who decides who get weapons...

Why do you have a problem with this

Because it's a pathetic strawman.

I'm sure you still don't know what a strawman is-- so this means I have never screamed about the government deciding who gets weapons. I don't even think 'leftists', whoever they may be, scream about this, defend this, or agree with this.
You are saying this because you don't want to address the fact that the person you openly support and defend every single day on these forums sold over $100 billion worth of weapons and technology to the same people you accuse of being murdering raping barbarian cult members.
In fact, you were talking about how great he was for doing it, how he is so respected in the world, how everything he does is so great.

So either you admit that Trump was wrong to sell them weapons, or admit that Islam isn't actually a problem.

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RE: Terrible - 6/11/2017 4:15:56 AM

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And any of you bleeding heart ultrasickening liberals want to call me a brute or an animal, remember FIVE YEARS OLD. I would have crucified those animals. And they aren't even deporting them back to the third world swamp where their kind belong.

Really?
And there was me thinking you'd said that you'd still vote for the blob of orange shit in the white house over Hilary even if he was a pedophile.
Makes the moral high ground you're trying to claim there look a bit shakey, frankly.

You and your fucking dogma. there has not been one complaint that could be considered serious. And if a 16 year old is in the Playboy Mansion I assume she is of age. Show me just one credible accusation against our great orange leader who makes you chafe like your collar is too tight. (and I am enjoying every second of you bleeding hearts whining and bitching, do keep it up)

Not one credible accusation but you got him convicted. Yeah those small hands are a dead giveaway huh ? Fucking idiot. There is enough real shit to bitch about without you ninnies making up bullshit. And you have plunged your credibility to below zero claiming all this stupid shit. How does that grabya ?

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That's neither here nor there. You stated that you'd vote for Trump over Clinton even if Trump was fucking children, which doesn't do your moral outrage over the non orange moslems raping children look very convincing.

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Just like this Aussie on Usenet who keeps putting Trump down. What the fuck is it to him ? And what's more I have told him more than once that even if Trump gets caught fucking a ten year old I will not vote for Clinton. Or something like that.

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RE: Terrible - 6/11/2017 4:50:48 AM

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Can I just ask why it seems that it is only miscarriages of justice where Muslims are the perpetrators that seem to end up on these Boards?

I don't know the whole story (even from reading the links) but any assault of a five year old is a serious matter.

However I would just ask why there is not a stream of horror stories about equally distressing stories where a non-Muslim is the perpetrator?

It would appear that these guys didn't get a proportionate sentence, but why is the most important fact about them that they are Muslims?

Ideology.

How would you describe your blind prejudice then?

I don't see much difference between your fevered hatred of Muslims and the hatred of "infidels" you ascribe to them.

Most of the Muslims I meet and live alongside are far less prejudiced than you.

"First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye."

It's their ideology. No emotion or judgment needed. And trying to make it a judgmental and/or emotional issue does not change their ideology. Sorry, your tactics don't work.

No tactics involved.

You are a bigot.

I don't see any difference between your attitude towards Muslims and the attitude you say Muslims have towards non-Muslims.

You are trying to make a personal attack against me because you can't argue the plain truth of what i said. Sorry, that doesn't do anything for your position. You actually are a very judgmental person. Perhaps you should look for a mistress to beat that shit out of you.

No tamaka, I am calling you out for being judgemental. And yes, I suppose that is a bit of a judgement in itself.

You are judging millions of people, let alone all the people you judge on these Boards. Paradoxically pointing that out requires making a value judgement.

It's all a matter of degree, isn't it?

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RE: Terrible - 6/11/2017 5:12:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: BoscoX

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ORIGINAL: longwayhome

You have no solutions to the problem you say exists.

I get it. You don't like Muslims and you think that they are all trying to kill every non-Muslim. Once you make that assertion though, you have nothing to suggest. Saying that is far less of an "ad hominem" than the abuse you dole out to others.

I don't hate Muslims, I am just smart about them. I know what they are taught to believe, and I know about the things that they have done. You on the other hand are ignorant about them.

I posted a few possible realistic solutions. Are you consciously choosing to ignore them?

I never posted that they are all this or that, but I don't waste a lot of time choosing PC language, either. I posted about what the Koran tells Muslims and the things that they do, and perhaps I speak rather generally but it is nothing but the facts.

I specifically answered your suggestions for monitoring and education in a previous post (post 42 to be precise), however I'll try a more detailed approach.

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The immediate solution to deal with the Muslim problem is to not import them. Paris has paramilitary on the streets specifically because they have a lot of Muslims living there, and London is going to have to do the same thing. So there's that. A lot of security, and monitoring if they are already in the area.

Long term, educate them. Bring them from the 7th century to this century using every means at our disposal. Radio free Middle East, literature drops.

There are over three millions Muslims in the UK. We don't have a problem with "importing" Muslims. They live all over the country and are part of the fabric of our society. Many areas have over 20% including Birmingham, Bradford and a number of London boroughs. There is no correlation between areas with large numbers of Muslims and terrorist attacks. As I explained previously there is already monitoring of anyone involved in potentially extremist or terrorist activity. Your suggestion is nothing new.

A higher proportion of Muslims are proud to be British than the general population and a higher proportion of them identify strongly with Britain. They are however more socially conservative when it comes to attitudes towards homosexuality, marriage and infidelity. Less than 30% would like to see Sharia Law in the UK. This is an integrated community, being educated in state run schools, with a state imposed curriculum. They are already very British.

What we need to work on is how foreign extremists get to disaffected individuals. There are people like that in the US - yes white people who have carried out terrorist acts. Hell, we had the Troubles in Northern Ireland.

What doesn't help is only highlighting things Muslims do wrong when plenty of other people are carrying out sexual crimes etc. That just alienates law abiding citizens who we have been very successful in making feel committed to UK society. All such acts are to be deplored, whoever carries them out.

Leaving aside the vexed question of whether the West is in a position to educate anyone, attempts by foreigners to do so would be met by the same scorn you would have for a foreign government carrying out leaflets drops in your country. It is however possible to positively engage with countries and regimes who are not involved in terrorism or who are fighting it, whether or not we like how they run their society.

I think the death penalty in the US is barbaric and medieval, as do many Europeans, but I love the place, go there on holiday and have no objections to my government working with the US government.

I should also note in terms of knowing Muslims that I work with them, mix with them in public spaces and have lived under the same roof as them. With community, work and family links with Muslims, your statement that I am "ignorant of them" doesn't really hold up.

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