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Is Trump closer to obstruction of justice? - 6/11/2017 7:44:32 AM   
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Is Trump closer to obstruction of justice?

James Comey may not have added much new detail in testimony on Thursday about his one-to-one meetings with Donald Trump but he did add something: he set the scene, and law professors say that could be a missing piece in an obstruction of justice case against the president.

Mr Comey, the former director of the FBI, gave three hours of evidence in front of the Senate Intelligence Committee, describing personally for the first time the series of exchanges with the president that led to his sacking last month.

In one of those exchanges, the president said he "hoped" Mr Comey could "find his way" to dropping an investigation into then-national security adviser, Michael Flynn, a Trump ally who was under scrutiny over his ties to Russia.

We knew that already - Mr Comey made details of the meeting public several weeks ago - and Committee Republicans sought on Thursday to paint it as an innocent exchange: "I hope" was not an instruction, they said.
The former FBI director declined to offer his own opinion at the hearing on whether the president was attempting to obstruct justice, saying only that he found their exchange "very disturbing". Whether the president had broken the law would be a matter for special counsel investigator Robert Mueller to decide, he said.

So what's changed? Alex Whiting, a Harvard Law professor and former federal prosecutor, said the oral testimony gave new and legally significant insight into how Mr Comey interpreted the president's words in the moment.

"The critical aspect of an obstruction case is assessing the intent of the speaker and whether it was corrupt," Mr Whiting said. "People communicate with much more than words, and some of the best evidence for what a speaker meant can be how the speaker was understood at the time."

Mr Comey's testified on Thursday that he clearly understood Mr Trump to be pushing him to drop the inquiry. We also heard for the first time that the president cleared the room before making the remarks, removing even Mr Comey's boss, the attorney general.

Added to that, Mr Comey, who has a long history of high-profile legal positions and who took meticulous notes directly after his meetings with the president, was a "dream witness", Mr Whiting said. "I think if you take together his written and oral testimony together, he has now made a prima facie case of obstruction of justice.

"Whether it's a case that should be prosecuted, or whether it merits impeachment, those are separate questions, but the elements are now there for obstruction. There was a corrupt intent to impede justice. I think you could charge this case."

Eric Posner, a law professor at the University of Chicago, also said that Mr Comey's oral testimony had changed the legal picture.
"Comey may not have added specific pieces of information, but the way he presented himself and consistency of his account, and the coherency of the account, all of these things are important," he said.

"In his oral testimony, he made it clearer that he believed Trump was trying to obstruct justice. He said that when Trump used the word hope, he understood that to be a command of some sort, and that strengthens the case for obstruction.
"It was a borderline case before, now it is somewhat stronger."

But the case remains essentially circumstantial, said Michael Gerhardt, a law professor at University of North Carolina who testified at the Clinton impeachment hearings.

"Everybody is parsing the words of course, but I don't know that Comey's testimony strengthens or weakens an obstruction case," he said. The meetings described by Mr Comey were however "clearly inappropriate", he said. "This is simply not how Americans want a president to conduct himself."

The testimony would serve to strengthen Mr Comey's credibility with congress, Mr Gerhardt said, possibly at the expense of the president.

"Comey put his credibility on the line today and he did it in a very public way," he said. "Now it's a credibility contest between him and the president, and I think it's safe to say Comey is winning that contest."

That could prove crucial if legal action were ever taken over this affair. Were the president to face impeachment or criminal proceedings, the former FBI director would "without doubt" be a central witness, Mr Whiting said, and his credibility against Mr Trump's would be key to the case.

Both those scenarios remain unlikely however, at least for the meantime. It is effectively impossible to bring criminal charges against a sitting president - the case would have to be brought by the executive branch, of which Mr Trump is the boss.

As for impeachment, there is political resonance to obstruction of justice charges - it factored in the impeachment of Bill Clinton and the resignation of Richard Nixon - but it is still highly unlikely. The Republican party controls both houses of congress, and a special counsel investigation into the Russia affair is only in its infancy.

So Mr Comey's testimony will not trigger legal proceedings any time soon, but it does have the potential to damage the president's political standing and resonate with moderate voters, Mr Posner said.

"Obstruction of justice is clearly on the minds of a lot of people and I think it damages the president politically," he said. "He continues to have supporters of course. But for many people in the middle, their opinion of the president will decline and their reservations will strengthen."

Above is a few opinions on whether they have enough to begin impeachment. I am long on the record as saying James Comey is the man to ends Trump’s presidency. I think he already has. Am I right or wrong. To me the whole testimony was damming and the minute he got Comey in the room alone with him and asked him that question is enough for me to know that Trump knew exactly what he was doing.

My reading of this is they have enough to at least begin impeachment..


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RE: Is Trump closer to obstruction of justice? - 6/11/2017 10:51:42 PM   
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> Not here he ain't.


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RE: Is Trump closer to obstruction of justice? - 6/12/2017 12:04:46 AM   
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FR< I think it will take a bit longer than a couple of months, meanwhile we have the prospect of trump tweeting himself into a hole, no one can get him out of.

Bravado from trump about testifying is just that, bravado, the "tapes" are not going to come up, he will keep that one on hold like his proof that obama tapped him, that 3 million illegals voted, that he would release his tax records, and that he has evidence Obama was not born in hawaii.
He is soooooo trustworthy.
And thats just from him tweeting. Not "fake news"


The firings of Yates, Comey, Bahara, et al, will come back to bite him, AND are all fishy as hell and yes I think obstruction of justice is coming his way, and its all his own doing.

NO ONE from the comey hearings denied or QUESTIONED that comey was telling the truth, altho MCCain did try that crazy*i have dementia* bit getting "confused" about the difference between hils emails and the russia problem, trying to catch him out in a lie, Which backfired on him spectacularly, and just made him look crazier than trump.





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RE: Is Trump closer to obstruction of justice? - 6/12/2017 8:22:43 AM   
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Well he did once propose Sarah Palin be elected Vice President...

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RE: Is Trump closer to obstruction of justice? - 6/12/2017 12:41:08 PM   
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Well he did once propose Sarah Palin be elected Vice President...

I think Caribou Barbie would have been less of a fuckwit.

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RE: Is Trump closer to obstruction of justice? - 6/12/2017 7:43:59 PM   
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Its a Republican Congress. This is party that denies global warming and subscribes to supply side economics. They also have the brilliant idea of gutting planned parenthood, foodstamps, and keeping wages low. For the super kicker -- Trump is blaming immigrants for job losses and depressed wages.

^^ with discredited factless positions like the above the Congress won't turn on Trump unless it simply wants to promote Pence. But doing that would come at a cost, because the Trump toilet bowl might cost such impeaching Congressmen their districts in 2018.

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RE: Is Trump closer to obstruction of justice? - 6/12/2017 7:59:56 PM   
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Its a Republican Congress. This is party that denies global warming and subscribes to supply side economics. They also have the brilliant idea of gutting planned parenthood, foodstamps, and keeping wages low. For the super kicker -- Trump is blaming immigrants for job losses and depressed wages.

^^ with discredited factless positions like the above the Congress won't turn on Trump unless it simply wants to promote Pence. But doing that would come at a cost, because the Trump toilet bowl might cost such impeaching Congressmen their districts in 2018.

The Republican congress could impeach Trump in order to get a lifelong Democrat out of the WH, blame it on the Democrats and the American public would eat it up.

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RE: Is Trump closer to obstruction of justice? - 6/12/2017 9:45:45 PM   
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NO ONE from the comey hearings denied or QUESTIONED that comey was telling the truth




And yet it's already been proven Comey lied under oath.

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RE: Is Trump closer to obstruction of justice? - 6/13/2017 1:01:56 AM   
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quote:

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NO ONE from the comey hearings denied or QUESTIONED that comey was telling the truth




And yet it's already been proven Comey lied under oath.

It has?
pray tell where?
why hasn't he been charged with perjury?
he is a regular joe now, why hasn't someone charged him with it?
why haven't the senate committee, intelligence committee OR any other entity, announced it publicly.
Where are you getting your information?
Trump and his tweets?


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RE: Is Trump closer to obstruction of justice? - 6/13/2017 1:29:16 AM   
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Where are you getting your information?
Trump and his tweets?


Those are apparently the last word on what is and isn't proven.
Big Brother is tweeting you and Airstrip One has always been at war with Eastasia..

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RE: Is Trump closer to obstruction of justice? - 6/13/2017 1:27:50 PM   
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I would be surprised if a Republican Congress acted to remove Trump.

You say Trump is a life long Democrat, but that ship sailed with his Birtherism. Since assuming office, he's made zero (0) effort to govern from the center.

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RE: Is Trump closer to obstruction of justice? - 6/13/2017 1:32:32 PM   
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hang the orange bastard

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RE: Is Trump closer to obstruction of justice? - 6/13/2017 1:43:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


quote:

ORIGINAL: Raiikun


quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
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NO ONE from the comey hearings denied or QUESTIONED that comey was telling the truth




And yet it's already been proven Comey lied under oath.

It has?
pray tell where?
why hasn't he been charged with perjury?
he is a regular joe now, why hasn't someone charged him with it?
why haven't the senate committee, intelligence committee OR any other entity, announced it publicly.
Where are you getting your information?
Trump and his tweets?


Hillary's still pulling the strings there, and somehow the nutsuckers cant nail her.

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RE: Is Trump closer to obstruction of justice? - 6/13/2017 1:46:12 PM   
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I will fuking string you up with him

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