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WickedsDesire -> Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 6:57:13 AM)

Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal
oh ffs Americashire

Qatar has signed a $12bn deal to buy F-15 fighters jets from the US.
The sale was finalised at a meeting in Washington between US defence chief Jim Mattis and his Qatari counterpart.

It comes days after US President Donald Trump accused Qatar - a major US ally - of funding terrorism "at a very high level" - a charge Qatar denies.

Other Gulf countries recently cut ties with Doha, accusing it of destabilising the region through its alleged support of extremist groups and links to Iran.

Qatar is home to the biggest US air base in the Middle East, Al-Udeid. It houses around 10,000 troops and plays a key role in the US-led operations against the so-called Islamic State (IS) group in Syria and Iraq.

Mr Comrade Trump's comments appeared at odds with the US Department of Defence, which had praised Qatar's "enduring commitment to regional security" just days earlier.




PeonForHer -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 7:27:12 AM)

Well, as long as he's not giving any weapons to Muslims. That's the main thing.




mnottertail -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 7:31:01 AM)

St. Wrinklemeat gave WMD to Iran, nutsuckers been supporting terroism for decades.




WhoreMods -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 7:56:41 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

St. Wrinklemeat gave WMD to Iran, nutsuckers been supporting terroism for decades.

Iraq, rather than Iran, surely?




mnottertail -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 8:00:14 AM)

To both actually. Iran-Contra, weapons for hostages, that sort of nutsuckerism and support of terrorism.




WhoreMods -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 8:01:10 AM)

My bad. I was forgetting the whole arms for hostages thing (rather in the manner of a republican, I suppose).




tweakabelle -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 8:13:03 AM)

Well thank God for President Trump's bold and visionary leadership. After taking a single glance at the region, a region whose existence he had previously been unaware of, Pres. Trump quickly summarised the most urgent needs of the region and acted. No vacillating, no showboating, no diplomatic dancing - but immediate action. The US so badly needs a man of action to restore it to its former greatness.

If ever there was a region that needed more arms and military hardware it has to be the Middle East. Pres Trump picked up on this in record time and, ignoring his own claims that Qatar supported terrorism at a very high level, has dispatched $15 billion worth of warplanes in addition to the $100 billion worth of arms he supplied to that bastion of democracy enlightenment and civilised values, Saudi Arabia.

This has to be win win all around and a gigantic step forward for all of us who love peace everywhere.




WhoreMods -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 8:45:39 AM)

When you put it like that, I believe his approach to middle eastern diplomacy is akin to what they used to call a protection racket when it's people with an olive, rather than orange, complexion doing it.
"Nice country you got here, guys. Be a shame if something were to happen to it over the fact that the area's suddenly looking a lot less stable politically. Perhaps you'd care to buy some of these inexpensive and efficient munitions to defend yourselves from the shitstorm that certain people are doing their best to stir up? No, nothing to do with me, guv, and you saying that has just doubled my commission on the sale as well..."




tweakabelle -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 9:24:45 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WhoreMods

When you put it like that, I believe his approach to middle eastern diplomacy is akin to what they used to call a protection racket when it's people with an olive, rather than orange, complexion doing it.
"Nice country you got here, guys. Be a shame if something were to happen to it over the fact that the area's suddenly looking a lot less stable politically. Perhaps you'd care to buy some of these inexpensive and efficient munitions to defend yourselves from the shitstorm that certain people are doing their best to stir up? No, nothing to do with me, guv, and you saying that has just doubled my commission on the sale as well..."

LOL. Trump is definitely crass enough to greet the various Kings Emirs and tinpot potentates of the region with something like:
"Hey Your Majesties, have I got a deal for you ...? !!!"
He does have a background in 'reality TV' after all, and he's unsophisticated enough to think it all runs along the lines of game show.




PeonForHer -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 10:22:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

Well thank God for President Trump's bold and visionary leadership. After taking a single glance at the region, a region whose existence he had previously been unaware of, Pres. Trump quickly summarised the most urgent needs of the region and acted. No vacillating, no showboating, no diplomatic dancing - but immediate action. The US so badly needs a man of action to restore it to its former greatness.

If ever there was a region that needed more arms and military hardware it has to be the Middle East. Pres Trump picked up on this in record time and, ignoring his own claims that Qatar supported terrorism at a very high level, has dispatched $15 billion worth of warplanes in addition to the $100 billion worth of arms he supplied to that bastion of democracy enlightenment and civilised values, Saudi Arabia.

This has to be win win all around and a gigantic step forward for all of us who love peace everywhere.


... Except on Earth.




Musicmystery -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 11:44:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal
oh ffs Americashire

Qatar has signed a $12bn deal to buy F-15 fighters jets from the US.
The sale was finalised at a meeting in Washington between US defence chief Jim Mattis and his Qatari counterpart.

It comes days after US President Donald Trump accused Qatar - a major US ally - of funding terrorism "at a very high level" - a charge Qatar denies.

Other Gulf countries recently cut ties with Doha, accusing it of destabilising the region through its alleged support of extremist groups and links to Iran.

Qatar is home to the biggest US air base in the Middle East, Al-Udeid. It houses around 10,000 troops and plays a key role in the US-led operations against the so-called Islamic State (IS) group in Syria and Iraq.

Mr Comrade Trump's comments appeared at odds with the US Department of Defence, which had praised Qatar's "enduring commitment to regional security" just days earlier.


The US is the world's largest arms merchant, and ethics or consequences have never stood in the way of profit in this area.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 12:38:11 PM)

I think his plan is to take the money everyone getting their tremendous cut naturally and arm the whole region up and let them fight it out. How is he any different from funding terrorism - where do most people think the terrorists get their arms from?

I read a while ago, i can't vouch for the efficacy, that the arms security war machine etc sector employs directly and indirectly 1 in 10 Americans.

He has also given the pentagon full permission to do as they please few months ago and there was an article yesterday I cant be bothered looking out.

But this whole thing occured days after US President Donald Trump accused Qatar - a major US ally - of funding terrorism "at a very high level" - a charge Qatar denies.

Other Gulf countries recently cut ties with Doha, accusing it of destabilising the region through its alleged support of extremist groups and links to Iran.

Qatar is home to the biggest US air base in the Middle East, Al-Udeid. It houses around 10,000 troops and plays a key role in the US-led operations against the so-called Islamic State (IS) group in Syria and Iraq.

Mr Comrade Trump's comments appeared at odds with the US Department of Defence, which had praised Qatar's "enduring commitment to regional security" just days earlier.




WhoreMods -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 12:40:56 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal
oh ffs Americashire

Qatar has signed a $12bn deal to buy F-15 fighters jets from the US.
The sale was finalised at a meeting in Washington between US defence chief Jim Mattis and his Qatari counterpart.

It comes days after US President Donald Trump accused Qatar - a major US ally - of funding terrorism "at a very high level" - a charge Qatar denies.

Other Gulf countries recently cut ties with Doha, accusing it of destabilising the region through its alleged support of extremist groups and links to Iran.

Qatar is home to the biggest US air base in the Middle East, Al-Udeid. It houses around 10,000 troops and plays a key role in the US-led operations against the so-called Islamic State (IS) group in Syria and Iraq.

Mr Comrade Trump's comments appeared at odds with the US Department of Defence, which had praised Qatar's "enduring commitment to regional security" just days earlier.


The US is the world's largest arms merchant, and ethics or consequences have never stood in the way of profit in this area.

Just look at those shitty fighter bombers Lockheed sold the Germans in the late '60s: the krauts lost more casualties in the '70s to those sorry things than they did to the red army faction...




CaptR -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 2:38:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal
oh ffs Americashire

Qatar has signed a $12bn deal to buy F-15 fighters jets from the US.
The sale was finalised at a meeting in Washington between US defence chief Jim Mattis and his Qatari counterpart.

It comes days after US President Donald Trump accused Qatar - a major US ally - of funding terrorism "at a very high level" - a charge Qatar denies.

Other Gulf countries recently cut ties with Doha, accusing it of destabilising the region through its alleged support of extremist groups and links to Iran.

Qatar is home to the biggest US air base in the Middle East, Al-Udeid. It houses around 10,000 troops and plays a key role in the US-led operations against the so-called Islamic State (IS) group in Syria and Iraq.

Mr Comrade Trump's comments appeared at odds with the US Department of Defence, which had praised Qatar's "enduring commitment to regional security" just days earlier.


I'm guessing no one read down far enough to see this was a deal brokered by Obama?




mnottertail -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 2:40:49 PM)

But thats good, its more than Il Douchovitch has brokered, but Il Douchovitch will take credit for the upside, but its bad because it its such a big terrorist deal why isnt Il Douchovitch withdrawing as he did the climate agreement.

Either way its nutsuckerism.




CaptR -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 3:30:30 PM)

Ok first play it off as his doing then say because Obama did the deed it's good. You are the master felchgobbling felchgoblin. Too fucking funny! They aren't supposed to receive the keys for several years to come but you're right about one thing. They shouldn't be getting them at all. That stupid sob POTUS should have put the brakes on Obama's sell out against the American people.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 3:40:00 PM)

in theory so was the Saudi deal ;) before he, Obama, curtailed that for their love of terrorism.

But the orange rump just called Qatar a bunch of fuking terrorists - so he could have curtailed that deal like handsome Obama?




CaptR -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 3:49:41 PM)

You're preaching to the choir WD. I didn't vote for pumpkin head.

AEROSPACE

Why the U.S. Is About to Sell Billions in Boeing Fighter Jets to Qatar



APR 20, 2016 12:39 PM EDT



When President Obama meets with a number of America’s Persian Gulf allies this week in Saudi Arabia, he won’t show up empty-handed. Reuters reports that the Obama administration is poised to finally approve two long-delayed multibillion sales of Boeing ba fighter jets to Qatar and Kuwait, and that the announcement could come this week during the President’s visit to the region.

This bit of fighter jet diplomacy could help bring an increasingly distant Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) a little bit closer to Washington, as well as offer a significant boost to Boeing’s flagging fighter jet business. But the deals themselves also reflect a fragmenting military relationship between the United States and its traditional Gulf allies—a fraying of ties that could have impacts across the defense industry.

Both the Pentagon and State Department have signed off on the separate deals, which would send 36 Boeing F-15E Strike Eagle fighter jets to Qatar and 24 Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornets to Kuwait. The Qatari sale is worth roughly $4 billion, the Kuwaiti deal around $3 billion. Both offers have been on the table for more than two years awaiting final approval from the White House, whose indecision has drawn criticism from industry, the U.S. military, and Congress as both countries have shopped for air power elsewhere in the interim.

But even as President Obama meets with Gulf allies today and tomorrow, the long-awaited fighter jet deals continue to stir controversy—particularly the deal with Qatar.

Qatar wants the F-15s to anchor a growing air force currently made up of just a dozen aging French Mirage jets. Alongside a deal to purchase two dozen Rafale fighter jets (made by France’s Dassault Aviation duavf ) signed in late March, the 36 F-15s would transform Qatar into a far more serious air power within the region and—alongside GCC allies like Saudi Arabia—a legitimate foil to a resurgent Iranian air force.

But its ties to known terrorist organizations like the Taliban and Hamas have made Qatar both a valuable middleman in the region and, at times, an unreliable friend. The country has served as a broker in negotiations that have returned Western hostages held abroad by Syrian rebel groups or the Taliban, including captured U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl. It has also looked the other way while Qatari financiers funneled money to militant groups in Syria and elsewhere.

Publicly the U.S. government has rebuked Qatar multiple times in recent years over its refusal to take a harder line against terrorist financing. Yet Qatar is home to an important U.S. air base, the lease for which the U.S. extended for another decade in 2013. A year later, the U.S. agreed to sell Qatar $11 billion worth of Patriot missiles, attack helicopters, and other military equipment.

In the middle of this complex relationship lay the fighter jets—as well as an increasingly nervous Israel, which has privately pushed back against the F-15 deal out of concern it would erode its own military superiority in the region.

“Qatar is far more complicated,” says Richard Aboulafia, vice president for analysis at defense consultancy Teal Group. “It’s not just Israel, but other people who have mixed feelings about giving a large number of high-end fighter jets to a country that has no problem playing on both sides of the street.”

U.S. Sold $33 Billion in Weapons to Gulf Countries in the Last Year

Nonetheless, in what could be the last major move in defense diplomacy before the U.S. presidential election in November, Qatar appears poised to get its F-15s. Kuwait is also likely to get the greenlight for its less politically controversial purchase of 24 F/A-18 fighter aircraft. Citing sources inside the administration, Reuters reports that the deals could be announced during President Obama’s visit to Saudi Arabia this week, a move that would serve to pull those Gulf allies into a closer military relationship with Washington at a time when relations are increasingly strained over America’s warming stance toward Iran.

Finalizing the deals would mark a huge boost for Boeing and the St. Louis-based assembly lines that produce both jets. Without further orders, both production lines are slated to close by the end of the decade. While the U.S. Navy has asked Congress for additional funds to purchase more F/A-18 Super Hornets in the 2017 budget, the F-15 is in a more precarious position. Without a new customer, that line would close in 2019 after filling a large order for Saudi Arabia.

Completing both deals with Qatar and Kuwait would extend the life of both production lines into the 2020s. It would also allow Boeing more time to negotiate additional deals with both foreign customers and the U.S. Navy, which may order additional F/A-18 Super Hornets and E/A-18 Growlers—the electronic warfare variant of the Super Hornet—in future defense budgets. That’s significant, considering the F-15 and F/A-18 are Boeing’s last footholds in the fighter jet business as its existing jets are phased out to make room for Lockheed Martin’s lmt new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

But while the deals will make life easier for Boeing they also represent a more complicated strategic relationship emerging between the U.S. and its traditional Middle Eastern allies, one that could impact future U.S. defense deals in the region.

When countries transact in complex weapons systems like fighter jets, they aren’t just trading cash for hardware. The recipient will require spare parts, maintenance assistance, and training from the seller nation—not to mention the weapons that make each aircraft effective—over the three-decade-plus lifetime of the aircraft. When the U.S. sells extremely capable fighter jets like the F-15 to another nation, it is establishing a long-term relationship and signaling trust. The recipient in turn makes itself dependent on U.S. industry and arms exports for years to come.

In other words, fighter jet diplomacy is about security, but it’s also about relationships, and those relationships appear to be fraying. Following the ousting of former president Mohamed Morsi by the Egyptian military in 2013, the U.S. suspended its annual $1 billion military aid package to that country—traditionally one of America’s most dependable arms customers. Egypt responded by purchasing two-dozen French Rafale fighter jets rather than U.S.-built aircraft as in the past. In the last month, both Qatar and Kuwait— though still interested in U.S. fighter aircraft—have also inked deals to purchase dozens of Rafales and Eurofighter Typhoon jets from European sources.

Meanwhile, just last week two senators introduced legislation that would restrict the free flow of munitions to Saudi Arabia—another one of the U.S. defense industry’s most loyal customers—over mounting civilian casualties caused by Saudi air strikes in Yemen. Even if the legislation is never signed into law, the message is clear. And it could prompt Saudi Arabia to diversify the means by which it sources weapons as well.

Selling American fighter jets to Qatar and Kuwait—if the deals are indeed finalized this week—could help restore the strained U.S.-GCC security relationship. But none of the countries involved, it seems, enjoy the same degree of confidence in the once-solid security relationship between the U.S. and its Gulf allies as they used to.

“It just goes to show that countries are buying from both the U.S. and Europe for national security reasons,” Aboulafia says. “Now you’ve got Qatar for the first time dual-sourcing, and Kuwait for the first time dual-sourcing. For me, the political implications are really interesting.”


As late as 4/16 in his presidency.




WickedsDesire -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 4:09:04 PM)

How BAE sold cyber-surveillance tools to Arab states I was going to thread that today but almost all Americans live in a curious bubble verse, by not means all....swearyman and erm ooo it will come back to me

That aside he just called them a bunch of terrorists - contrary to what his own pentagon team called them, and the biggest USA base in the middle east.

"Mr Comrade Trump's comments appeared at odds with the US Department of Defence, which had praised Qatar's "enduring commitment to regional security" just days earlier."

So is he admitting to selling terrorists funders your f15's? yes or no?

Now, I know the previous administration did all the ground work for both deals - but the thing is Obama got hesitant didn't he with saudi?

Why mention Egypt and $1billion escapes me...Qatar population 2.2 million or something - no one really cares for them, LNG aside.


So is he arming them or fly banning them - do you see that Dichotomy and sheer hypocrisy?




CaptR -> RE: Qatar buys F-15 fighter planes in billion-dollar US deal (6/15/2017 4:27:41 PM)

The thinking is by the time they get the keys we'll have them in hand. Not gonna happen.




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