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Musicmystery -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 12:57:43 PM)
Because, of course, trying to kill people isn't going to cause them terror. [8\|]

BoscoX -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:00:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Because, of course, trying to kill people isn't going to cause them terror. [8\|] Terrorism has a specific meaning that is separate and unique, not synonymous with violence or even mass murder

PeonForHer -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:03:26 PM)
quote: His goal was stated, he wanted to kill all Muslims - not cause them terror. Right, so, presumably, there's a way of killing a given group of people without terrifying them in the process? How would that work, exactly, Bosco? Would you be smiling and shouting cheerfully, from your van as you drive along the footpath mowing people down, 'I don't want to frighten all you good people - I merely want to slaughter you!' I suppose I could flip the question of my last post around and ask you, as a clearly very right wing Muslim-hater: What stops you being a killer of Muslims, Bosco? I mean, at every point in any given discussion on the matter, you've made it abundantly clear that you do not distinguish between Islamist killers and Muslims in general. Given that this is your belief - why don't you go out killing Muslims? Is it because you're basically too cowardly? Or do you think the government and its agents should be doing all that killing, rather than you, as a private citizen?

BoscoX -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:10:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: His goal was stated, he wanted to kill all Muslims - not cause them terror. Right, so, presumably, there's a way of killing a given group of people without terrifying them in the process? How would that work, exactly, Bosco? Would you be smiling and shouting cheerfully, from your van as you drive along the footpath mowing people down, 'I don't want to frighten all you good people - I merely want to slaughter you!' I suppose I could flip the question of my last post around and ask you, as a clearly very right wing Muslim-hater: What stops you being a killer of Muslims, Bosco? I mean, at every point in any given discussion on the matter, you've made it abundantly clear that you do not distinguish between Islamist killers and Muslims in general. Given that this is your belief - why don't you go out killing Muslims? Is it because you're basically too cowardly? Or do you think the government and its agents should be doing all that killing, rather than you, as a private citizen? I have never posted that I hate "all" Muslims or that they all believe anything, or that they all need to die, or any other such silly figments of your childish imagination as that As to the terrorist question, already answered. See post 62 above

Musicmystery -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:10:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Because, of course, trying to kill people isn't going to cause them terror. [8\|] Terrorism has a specific meaning that is separate and unique, not synonymous with violence or even mass murder I'm sure the victims are keenly aware of the difference, and appreciate it greatly.

BoscoX -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:13:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Because, of course, trying to kill people isn't going to cause them terror. [8\|] Terrorism has a specific meaning that is separate and unique, not synonymous with violence or even mass murder I'm sure the victims are keenly aware of the difference, and appreciate it greatly. Their awareness or lack thereof of any definition is irrelevant to this debate Words mean things, and it is mindless propaganda to try to change their meaning to suit your otherwise defenseless political agenda

PeonForHer -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:16:52 PM)
quote: Words mean things, and it is mindless propaganda to try to change their meaning to suit your otherwise defenseless political agenda What definition of 'terrorism' are you using, then, Bosco? I mean, both the London police and our government - neither of which is noted for for being lefty - describe this as a terrorist incident.

Musicmystery -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:17:21 PM)
It's good to know that people trying to kill you isn't terrorism. That means a lot of things labelled terrorism really aren't. The world's safer already. Except from idiots.

Musicmystery -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:18:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Words mean things, and it is mindless propaganda to try to change their meaning to suit your otherwise defenseless political agenda What definition of 'terrorism' are you using, then, Bosco? I mean, both the London police and our government - neither of which is noted for for being lefty - describe this as a terrorist incident. If it's Muslims doing it, it's terrorism. Anyone else, well, these things happen.

PeonForHer -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:21:09 PM)
quote: I have never posted that I hate "all" Muslims or that they all believe anything You have, Bosco, and you have done so repeatedly. You've posted great chunks of the Koran, over and over again, that look violent - with the implication - and sometimes even the explicit statement - that 'this is how Muslims are - they're violent'. On the other hand, if you haven't posted these chunks of the Koran in order to make that point - why have you posted them?

BoscoX -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:26:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Words mean things, and it is mindless propaganda to try to change their meaning to suit your otherwise defenseless political agenda What definition of 'terrorism' are you using, then, Bosco? I mean, both the London police and our government - neither of which is noted for for being lefty - describe this as a terrorist incident. Most everything UK is fanatical leftist That your politicians and their appointees are politicizing and propagandizing the incident as Muslim apologists is hardly surprising Here's Webster's definition - note that the definition for killing isn't the same quote: Terrorism: : the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion quote: Definition of kill transitive verb 1 a : to deprive of life : cause the death of a disease that has killed thousands He threatened to kill them. b (1) : to slaughter (an animal) for food (2) : to convert a food animal into (a kind of meat) by slaughtering 2 a : to put an end to kill competition a change that could kill our chances for success b : defeat, veto killed the amendment c : to mark for omission; also : delete kill a quote d : annihilate, destroy kill an enemy 3 a : to destroy the vital or essential quality of killed the pain with drugs b : to cause to stop kill the motor c : to check the flow of current through kill the lights 4 : to make a markedly favorable impression on she killed the audience 5 : to get through uneventfully kill time; also : to get through (the time of a penalty) without being scored on kill a penalty 6 a : to cause extreme pain to My back is killing me. b : to tire almost to the point of collapse has been killing herself to get the project done on time 7 : to hit (a shot) so hard in various games that a return is impossible killed a backhand down the line 8 : to consume (something, such as a drink) totally … killed his drink and held out the glass. — W. L. Gresham killed two bottles of wine over dinner intransitive verb 1 : to cause the death of a person, animal, or plant a murderer who may kill again an herbicide that kills on contact if looks could kill 2 : to make a markedly favorable impression was dressed to kill killable adjective See kill defined for English-language learners So, yes - one can kill or maim or whatever, without being a terrorist committing an act of terror Why do leftists so often need such simple obvious facts spelled out for them so

BoscoX -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:28:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: I have never posted that I hate "all" Muslims or that they all believe anything You have, Bosco, and you have done so repeatedly. You've posted great chunks of the Koran, over and over again, that look violent - with the implication - and sometimes even the explicit statement - that 'this is how Muslims are - they're violent'. On the other hand, if you haven't posted these chunks of the Koran in order to make that point - why have you posted them? You cannot be honest with yourself A person can state things that are true about the Koran and Muslims, without wanting to kill and without hating everyone who is Muslim You are obviously projecting your own depraved sort of thinking here

PeonForHer -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:34:38 PM)
quote: Most everything UK is fanatical leftist Right. Including the London Police and our Conservative government - widely considered here to be the most right wing government we've had since Thatcher (and many say more right wing than Thatcher) - who define this incident as 'terrorist'. You are a gibbering fruitcake, Bosco. You have nothing to offer to any debate on this topic. Your opinions are worthless. You are worthless.

BoscoX -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:38:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Most everything UK is fanatical leftist Right. Including the London Police and our Conservative government - widely considered here to be the most right wing government we've had since Thatcher (and many say more right wing than Thatcher) - who define this incident as 'terrorist'. You are a gibbering fruitcake, Bosco. You have nothing to offer to any debate on this topic. Your opinions are worthless. You are worthless. Which explains all of you droolers constantly obsessing over me and my posts... [:D] Put me on ignore I dare you You can't and you won't, because I own you The very best defense you ever have against logic and facts are these hapless smears against me

PeonForHer -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:42:43 PM)
quote: Put me on ignore I dare you Put yourself on ignore, Bosco. Not just here on CS, but everywhere. Honestly, I think it'd make your life a lot happier.

Nnanji -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:43:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Most everything UK is fanatical leftist Right. Including the London Police and our Conservative government - widely considered here to be the most right wing government we've had since Thatcher (and many say more right wing than Thatcher) - who define this incident as 'terrorist'. You are a gibbering fruitcake, Bosco. You have nothing to offer to any debate on this topic. Your opinions are worthless. You are worthless. Which explains all of you droolers constantly obsessing over me and my posts... [:D] Put me on ignore I dare you You can't and you won't, because I own you The very best defense you ever have against logic and facts are these hapless smears against me Well, my goodness. Apparently, the wiki agrees with you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism The moose is only commenting on you, it seems he's trying to be cute for the other lefties. Peon is again being intellectually dishonest. What's new?

BoscoX -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:45:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Put me on ignore I dare you Put yourself on ignore, Bosco. Not just here on CS, but everywhere. Honestly, I think it'd make your life a lot happier. Can't help yourself... You have to troll, you have to obsess [:D]

BamaD -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:46:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer FR Right, to move this topic along a bit: what do we think radicalised this terrorist? What was it that tipped him over the edge such that he ceased to be standard extreme right wing fruitcake and started to be a maimer and a killer? For him to be a "terrorist" he had to have terror as a goal. Was that his goal, probably not. His goal was stated, he wanted to kill all Muslims - not cause them terror. Muslim terrorism has the goal of world domination. Mohammad taught that terrorist atrocities helped in battle. Remove fingertips, gouge out eyes, cut off opposing hands and feet etc so that the infidels remember them and flee when they hear that Muslims are coming for them Terrorism, is a battle tactic. A war tactic in their "holy" jihad in Allah's name The driver in this instance, may have been mad, or insane. May have known people who Muslims killed or maimed. Perhaps he studied Islam and knew all too well what Muslims intend to do once their numbers are sufficient from their savage history of mass slaughter What is your evidence that he is politically affiliated with any group or whatever, or are you just describing your almost cartoonish delusional reality to us He killed the innocent rather than the guilty. He killed those who were not commiting crimes against humanity in peacefull seting. All halmarks of terrorism.

BoscoX -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:46:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nnanji quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Most everything UK is fanatical leftist Right. Including the London Police and our Conservative government - widely considered here to be the most right wing government we've had since Thatcher (and many say more right wing than Thatcher) - who define this incident as 'terrorist'. You are a gibbering fruitcake, Bosco. You have nothing to offer to any debate on this topic. Your opinions are worthless. You are worthless. Which explains all of you droolers constantly obsessing over me and my posts... [:D] Put me on ignore I dare you You can't and you won't, because I own you The very best defense you ever have against logic and facts are these hapless smears against me Well, my goodness. Apparently, the wiki agrees with you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism The moose is only commenting on you, it seems he's trying to be cute for the other lefties. Peon is again being intellectually dishonest. What's new? It is the very best sort of "debate" that they have to offer, ever Hilarious to me

igor2003 -> RE: Finsbury Park Mosque: 'Several hurt' as van hits pedestrians (6/19/2017 1:47:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BoscoX quote: ORIGINAL: PeonForHer quote: Words mean things, and it is mindless propaganda to try to change their meaning to suit your otherwise defenseless political agenda What definition of 'terrorism' are you using, then, Bosco? I mean, both the London police and our government - neither of which is noted for for being lefty - describe this as a terrorist incident. Most everything UK is fanatical leftist That your politicians and their appointees are politicizing and propagandizing the incident as Muslim apologists is hardly surprising Here's Webster's definition - note that the definition for killing isn't the same quote: Terrorism: : the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion quote: Definition of kill transitive verb 1 a : to deprive of life : cause the death of a disease that has killed thousands He threatened to kill them. b (1) : to slaughter (an animal) for food (2) : to convert a food animal into (a kind of meat) by slaughtering 2 a : to put an end to kill competition a change that could kill our chances for success b : defeat, veto killed the amendment c : to mark for omission; also : delete kill a quote d : annihilate, destroy kill an enemy 3 a : to destroy the vital or essential quality of killed the pain with drugs b : to cause to stop kill the motor c : to check the flow of current through kill the lights 4 : to make a markedly favorable impression on she killed the audience 5 : to get through uneventfully kill time; also : to get through (the time of a penalty) without being scored on kill a penalty 6 a : to cause extreme pain to My back is killing me. b : to tire almost to the point of collapse has been killing herself to get the project done on time 7 : to hit (a shot) so hard in various games that a return is impossible killed a backhand down the line 8 : to consume (something, such as a drink) totally … killed his drink and held out the glass. — W. L. Gresham killed two bottles of wine over dinner intransitive verb 1 : to cause the death of a person, animal, or plant a murderer who may kill again an herbicide that kills on contact if looks could kill 2 : to make a markedly favorable impression was dressed to kill killable adjective See kill defined for English-language learners So, yes - one can kill or maim or whatever, without being a terrorist committing an act of terror Why do leftists so often need such simple obvious facts spelled out for them so I went to the Merriam-Webster online dictionary located here: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/terrorism At the top of the page it gave this definition, which is the same as you posted: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion But, as usual you only read and/or posted PART of the whole story. By scrolling down the page you also get: the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal And this: the use of violence as a means of achieving a goal And this: the unlawful use or threat of violence especially against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion I do believe that trying to kill people by running them over with a van would, by sane people, be considered "violence", and therefore a form of "terrorism".

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