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Musicmystery -> Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 8:49:21 AM)

WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court announced on Monday that it would consider whether partisan gerrymandering violates the Constitution. The case could reshape American politics.

In the past, the court has struck down election maps as racial gerrymanders that disadvantaged minority voters. But it has never disallowed a map on the ground that it was drawn to give an unfair advantage to a political party.

Some justices have said the court should stay out of such political disputes entirely. Others have said partisan gerrymanders may violate the Constitution. Justice Anthony M. Kennedy has taken a middle position, and the case could turn on his vote.

In a 2004 concurrence, he wrote that he might consider a challenge to political gerrymanders if there were “a workable standard” to decide when they crossed a constitutional line. But he said he had not seen such a standard.

The challengers in the new case, Gill v. Whitford, No. 16-1161, say they have found a way to separate partisanship from the many other factors that influence how districts are drawn.

The case arrives at the court in the wake of Republican victories in state legislatures that allowed lawmakers to draw election maps favoring their party.

The case started when Republicans gained complete control of Wisconsin’s government in 2010 for the first time in more than 40 years. It was a redistricting year, and lawmakers promptly drew a map for the State Assembly that helped Republicans convert very close statewide vote totals into lopsided legislative majorities.

In 2012, Republicans won 48.6 percent of the statewide vote for Assembly candidates but captured 60 of the Assembly’s 99 seats. In 2014, 52 percent of the vote yielded 63 seats.

Last year, a divided three-judge Federal District Court panel ruled that Republicans had gone too far. The map, Judge Kenneth F. Ripple wrote for the majority, “was designed to make it more difficult for Democrats, compared to Republicans, to translate their votes into seats.”

The decision was the first from a federal court in more than 30 years to reject a voting map as partisan gerrymandering.

The new standard proposed by the challengers tries to measure the level of partisanship in legislative maps by counting “wasted votes” that result from the two basic ways of injecting partisan politics into drawing the maps: packing and cracking.

Packing many Democrats into a single district, for instance, wastes every Democratic vote beyond the bare majority needed to elect a Democratic candidate. Cracking, or spreading, Democratic voters across districts in which Republicans have small majorities wastes all of the Democratic votes when the Republican candidate wins.

In a 2015 article, Nicholas O. Stephanopoulos, a law professor at the University of Chicago and a lawyer for the plaintiffs, and Eric McGhee devised a formula to measure partisanship. The difference between the two parties’ wasted votes, divided by the total number of votes cast, yields an efficiency gap, they wrote.

In a world of perfect nonpartisanship, there would be no gap. The gap in Wisconsin was 13.3 percent in 2012 and 9.6 percent in 2014, according to the formula. The Wisconsin voters who sued to challenge the Assembly map argued that gaps over 7 percent violate the Constitution. That number was meant to capture the likelihood that the gap would endure over a 10-year election cycle, but critics say it is arbitrary.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/19/us/politics/justices-to-hear-major-challenge-to-partisan-gerrymandering.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news





WickedsDesire -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 9:25:38 AM)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_5044741/tm.htm ;)




MrRodgers -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 10:24:03 AM)

Supremes already turned back N. Carolina in obvious racial based gerrymandering.

Get this:

The dems got more total votes for US congressional districts state-wide, yet won only 4 out of 17 districts.

Even Thomas ruled for the majority, so you know it had to be really bad. (obvious) The repubs remain up to their same old tricks.

Same tricks that won the first consecutive Repub majorities in 80 years...back in the 90's under Tom Delay's mid-census reapportionment of Tex.

This country needs an independent judicial appts. committee for districting.




BoscoX -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 10:27:05 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Supremes already turned back N. Carolina in obvious racial based gerrymandering.

Get this:

The dems got more total votes for US congressional districts state-wide, yet won only 4 out of 17 districts.

Even Thomas ruled for the majority, so you know it had to be really bad. (obvious) The repubs remain up to their same old tricks.

Same tricks that won the first consecutive Repub majorities in 80 years...back in the 90's under Tom Delay's mid-census reapportionment of Tex.

This country needs an independent judicial appts. committee for districting.


You expect us to believe the word of some Internet troll like you about such things?

Please... [:D]




BoscoX -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 10:28:40 AM)


Leftists gerrymander too, it's hilarious to see leftists trying to pretend that they are innocent in this.

Very special




mnottertail -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 10:34:10 AM)

its interesting to see the pedophile felchgobblers of putinjizz to pretend they are innocent of everything, very special, and moreso, in view of the fact that these retards are not very sharp.




Musicmystery -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 10:35:04 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Leftists gerrymander too, it's hilarious to see leftists trying to pretend that they are innocent in this.

Very special

I'm for putting an end to it all.

But then I'm not the partisan hack you are.




BoscoX -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 10:53:22 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Leftists gerrymander too, it's hilarious to see leftists trying to pretend that they are innocent in this.

Very special

I'm for putting an end to it all.

But then I'm not the partisan hack you are.


You are the trollish juvenile-minded idiot who posted the partisan hack propaganda article... [:D]




Musicmystery -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 11:03:48 AM)

I'm the concerned citizen thrilled the Supreme Court is finally taking it on. The article simply outlines the case that got it there.

Then you whined "fake news" and "but leftists."

Where you bitten by facts when you were young?





servantforuse -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 11:41:04 AM)

I am also a concerned citizen that is thrilled the Supreme Court will hear this case. It will show that Wisconsin republicans did nothing wrong and the re drawn districts will be left alone.




BoscoX -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 11:47:50 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I am also a concerned citizen that is thrilled the Supreme Court will hear this case. It will show that Wisconsin republicans did nothing wrong and the re drawn districts will be left alone.


I agree

It is normal procedure for both parties

An "elections have consequences" thing

MM's propaganda source suggests it's just a Republican crony scandal thing, nothing is farther from the truth




Musicmystery -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 11:51:39 AM)

Unfortunately, you continue to struggle with reading comprehension.

Even when it's clarified for you.

So sad.




Musicmystery -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 11:52:41 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I am also a concerned citizen that is thrilled the Supreme Court will hear this case. It will show that Wisconsin republicans did nothing wrong and the re drawn districts will be left alone.

I guess we'll all find out soon enough.




MrRodgers -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 12:07:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Supremes already turned back N. Carolina in obvious racial based gerrymandering.

Get this:

The dems got more total votes for US congressional districts state-wide, yet won only 4 out of 17 districts.

Even Thomas ruled for the majority, so you know it had to be really bad. (obvious) The repubs remain up to their same old tricks.

Same tricks that won the first consecutive Repub majorities in 80 years...back in the 90's under Tom Delay's mid-census reapportionment of Tex.

This country needs an independent judicial appts. committee for districting.


You expect us to believe the word of some Internet troll like you about such things?

Please... [:D]

It was just May and all over the news and the net.

HERE

Oh ans yes. people can much more believe what I put here or anywhere than many others we see.




MrRodgers -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 12:11:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BoscoX


Leftists gerrymander too, it's hilarious to see leftists trying to pretend that they are innocent in this.

Very special

Show us where SCOTUS threw back a dem gerrymandering case.




servantforuse -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 12:14:35 PM)

A conservative court certainly won't hurt the Wisconsin republicans.




Musicmystery -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 12:16:52 PM)

Ah yes. Partisanship over justice and the Constitution.

To hear you tell it, why even bother with the proceedings?

Let's just walk through them anyway, just to see.




Musicmystery -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 12:24:16 PM)

The justices last took up the topic in 2004 in a case called Vieth v. Jubelirer. It split the court five different ways, with the bottom line being that the justices could not agree on a test to determine when normal political instincts such as protecting your own turned into an unconstitutional dilution of someone else’s vote.

Four justices — only Justice Clarence Thomas remains of the group — said it was not the court’s business to make such decisions. Four others — only Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer remain — said such challenges could be heard by the court but disagreed on the method.

Justice Anthony M. Kennedy was in the middle. He joined the first group to decide the specific case against the challengers of a Pennsylvania redistricting plan, but he left the door open for future cases.

Kennedy said he could envision a successful challenge “where a state enacts a law that has the purpose and effect of subjecting a group of voters or their party to disfavored treatment.” What was elusive, Kennedy said, was “a manageable standard by which to measure the effect of the apportionment and so to conclude that the state did impose a burden or restriction on the rights of a party’s voters.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-to-hear-potentially-landmark-case-on-partisan-gerrymandering/2017/06/19/d525237e-5435-11e7-b38e-35fd8e0c288f_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_wisconsin-955a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.c1e3efec702d




servantforuse -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 2:53:43 PM)

It will be a decision based on the law in WI and the constitution. Politics will not have anything to do with it.




Musicmystery -> RE: Supreme Court to hear Challenge to Partisan Gerrymandering (6/19/2017 2:55:40 PM)

Then "A conservative court" shouldn't matter. You indicated it does.




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