Termyn8or
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Using FR, since you asked I shall opine but I don't know how much of an answer it will be.
In trying to define hate crimes and terrorism the government is going into uncharted territory. Much as I hate to reference a work of fiction, it reminds me of an episode of Star Trek Voyager in which one of the crew members is actually arrested for a simple thought. Someone tripped into her and for a split second she thought she would like to smack this asshole upside the head and good, but did not do it realising that (well they thought) it was a simple accident. They had a machine that could read your thoughts, today's government does not.
Today they can only read intent by the results and nature of the action. I use this technique extensively on what "they" do and it seems to be holding up pretty well. So let's examine a few types of crimes.
We can start in my own 'hood here where there was a death involved with an armed robbery. Guy came in to rob the local gas/beer station and the owner who was working at the time had a CCW and was armed. A CCW here does have a bit of a test of marksmanship and then you got some people who just can shoot. The owner of the business shot the perp in the arm and the legs to stop them, not wanting to take a life if it is avoidable. However the perp turned around and shot him dead. While this serves as a good lesson to always shoot to kill, that is not the point here.
In this case the perp was only trying to get away with some loot. He had no feelings for the owner either way, merely an obstacle to his gains by crime. So the government does not consider this a hate crime. Hey, ask this criminal if he would shoot his Mother, and 90 % that he would say no. He can go around thinking anyone who is not his Mother is a piece of meat and can be killed at will for a couple hundred bucks ? thinking of people as nothing is not hate ? Not respecting their right to life is not hate ?
Let's take a roll down to Boston and the Boston marathon. Some people, who obviously had no love for the US or its Citizens used some nice insidious bombs (and taught a few of us something) to kill a few people at random. Now if I were su0er rich I could be somewhat of a recluse, I havee no use for the outdoors at al, that is why we build houses. If I had a PC and internet I could live without ever going outside and with very little is any human interaction. But some other people like to go running around for their health and whatever reason and I have to stand for their rights as well, so ignoring it is not an option.
The killers at the Boston Marathon had no specific targets really, but they still had goals. They may have had valid reason to "take out as many of these MFs as possible" but there were no specific targets. This is something I believe the letter of the law would classify as a hate crime or terrorism. However for terrorism usually you would think there is a political goal. Actually maybe there was, as in "STOP BOMBING OUR PEOPLE BACK TO THE STONE AGE, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE ANY STONES ANYMORE, BUT WE CANNOT TAKE ANYMORE,, GET OUT OF OUR LANDS".
And this is where I come at odds with some USians. We fucked with them people and we fucked with them bad. In the middle east it started in 1948 ad only got worse. For South America it started i the late 1890s and they also never forget and that is why you got that poison HFCS in your soft drink instead of the usual sugar. Yes they hate our guts but I know why. You cannot excuse the actions of the military of this country.
The US will never stop using the military to extract resources from other countries. In the old days the People would get a piece of the action but we do not, only a handful of people who pay the lobbyists get the spoils of war. And We The People get the flack. And it will get worse.
Remember another piece of fiction known as "The Burning Bed" with IIRC Farrah Faucet ? After years of abuse she kills her olman. All those years of abuse of course must have instilled some hate in her, so does that mean that she should get a stiffer sentence because of it ? So are they saying to love your abuser and just let it happen ? Where does that liberal crock of shit end ?
I have talked about people needing to be boiled in bacon grease but that is a long fall from actually doing it. But if you come climbing in my back window at night you get shot. With some actually correct court rulings sure I shoot you, but do I hate people who go into others' homes and steal from them ? With the state of the economy these days, not so much necessarily, which I have stated. I might not kill someone who is raiding my deepfreezes, unless they go after my venison tenderloin of course. Seriously, after all I've been through there is still a little bit of human in me.
What if he is Black ?
By all means, let's bring race into this. not so much religion, but countries. Countries the US has fucked with for the gain of the oil companies, like Iran. I am sorry Iranians, but I do not want you here because you hate us and are a potential threat. I am sorry for what we did in 1952 and whatever but I wasn't even alive. And all we commoners got out of it was a couple of cents off a gallon of gasoline. I would vote for people who would leave other countries alone but due to the controlled elections here they can't even get on the ballot.
In the end, once the Trump imigration bans get to the supreme court, all they have to do is read part of the Constitution and he will prevail, those lower courts are in error, probably on purpose because of a liberal agenda. But there is a clause right there in the Constitution that supports his sole right to ban ANYONE FOR ANY REASON from entering this country. There is nothing in there about congressional approval. And that is that.
And the US government is in a unique position to define terrorism because they are the most nasty and prolific terrorists on the planet. How would YOU like it if a foreign agency kidnapped your duly elected President and installed their puppet government ? How would YOU like it if a foreign power assassinated your duly elected President ? How would YOU like it if a foreign government put an embargo on you because you were allied with a different country they didn't like and was literally starving your People ? How would YOU like it if a foreign power decided it was time for a "regime change" in YOUR country ?
Well the US government has done all these things and it is over natural resources to enrich those who pay the lobbyists, and your lives be damned. Simply collateral damage. How would YOU like it ?
I like how the aloof assholes in other countries say "America" is a laughing stock because of Trump. that is a binch of bullshit. This country has a history of alienating populations all over the place to ge ttheir favored governments in, and some of them brutal dictatorships. And supplied with US weapons for free as long as that black gold flows baby. We have no right to say a damn word about human rights, ad even less about this supposed spread of democracy. Democracy means to allow western companies to rape your country of its natural resources. Saddam realized it and that is why without doing a fucking thing he was all the sudden the greatest threat, same with Qadaffi. (however you want to spell it)
It is to the point where if someone came in and deposed the US government I am not so sure I would fight it. After what they have used our tax dollars for in the past hundred or so years I might just side with the other side. I got tired of paying taxes to support big business and all that, at the expense of our People. This is because I have real information on how nasty this government really is. And I am here born and bred. What the fuck do you think other people think ?
We are not laughed at as some of the more feebleminded posters think, we are feared, ad mostly hated. And it wasn't Trump who did it, it was the policies of this bought and paid for government and military for over a hundred years.
You want to talk terrorism ? What are we doing in Syria ? What have we done in Afghanistan ? And that is only for starters. We got about 130 years of history to go through to find why we are so hated in the world.
And even our own. Timothy McVeigh, he was not crazy nor an asshole. What he did, though I disapprove, was REVENGE. Until you understand that you will not understnd where our enemies are coing from.
WE ARE CREATING THEM.
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