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The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trumpism - 6/21/2017 3:15:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nearly 150 days into the Trump era, no non-delusional conservative can be happy with the direction of events or pleased with the options going forward.

President Trump is remarkably unpopular, particularly with the young (among whom his approval is underwater by a remarkable 48 percentage points in one poll). And the reasons have little to do with elitism or media bias.

Trump has been ruled by compulsions, obsessions and vindictiveness, expressed nearly daily on Twitter. He has demonstrated an egotism that borders on solipsism. His political skills as president have been close to nonexistent. His White House is divided, incompetent and chaotic, and key administration jobs remain unfilled. His legislative agenda has gone nowhere. He has told constant, childish, refuted, uncorrected lies, and demanded and habituated deception among his underlings. He has humiliated and undercut his staff while requiring and rewarding flattery. He has promoted self-serving conspiracy theories. He has displayed pathetic, even frightening, ignorance on policy matters foreign and domestic. He has inflicted his ethically challenged associates on the nation. He is dead to the poetry of language and to the nobility of the political enterprise, viewing politics as conquest rather than as service.

Trump has made consistent appeals to prejudice based on religion and ethnicity, and associated the Republican Party with bias. He has stoked tribal hostilities. He has carelessly fractured our national unity. He has attempted to undermine respect for any institution that opposes or limits him — be it the responsible press, the courts or the intelligence community. He has invited criminal investigation through his secrecy and carelessness. He has publicly attempted to intimidate law enforcement. He has systematically alarmed our allies and given comfort to authoritarians. He promised to emancipate the world from American moral leadership — and has kept that pledge.

For many Republicans and conservatives, there is apparently no last straw, with offenses mounting bale by bale. The argument goes: Trump is still superior to Democratic rule — which would deliver apocalyptic harm — and thus anything that hurts Trump is bad for the republic. He is the general, so shut up and salute. What, after all, is the conservative endgame other than Trump’s success?

This is the recommendation of sycophancy based on hysteria. At some point, hope for a new and improved Trump deteriorates into unreason. The idea that an alliance with Trump will end anywhere but disaster is a delusion. Both individuals and parties have long-term interests that are served by integrity, honor and sanity. Both individuals and the Republican Party are being corrupted and stained by their embrace of Trump. The endgame of accommodation is to be morally and politically discredited. Those committed to this approach warn of national decline — and are practically assisting it. They warn of decadence — and provide refreshments at the orgy.

So what is the proper objective for Republicans and conservatives? It is the defeat of Trumpism, preferably without the destruction of the GOP itself. And how does that happen?

Creating a conservative third party — as some have proposed — would have the effect of delivering national victories to a uniformly liberal and unreformed Democratic Party. A bad idea.

A primary challenge to Trump in the 2020 presidential election is more attractive, but very much an outside shot. An unlikely idea.

It is possible — if Democrats take the House in 2018 — that impeachment will ripen into a serious movement, which thoughtful Republicans might join (as they eventually did against Richard Nixon). But this depends on matters of fact and law that are currently hidden from view. A theoretical idea.

A Democratic victory in the 2020 election would represent the defeat of Trumpism and might be a prelude to Republican reform. But Democrats seem to be viewing Trump’s troubles as an opportunity to plunge leftward with a more frankly socialistic and culturally liberal message. That is hardly attractive to Republican reformers. A heretical idea.

Or Republicans and conservatives could just try to outlast Trump — closing the shutters and waiting for the hurricane to pass — while rooting for the success of a strong bench of rising 40-something leaders (Marco Rubio, Mike Lee, Nikki Haley, Tom Cotton, Ben Sasse). This may be the most practical approach but risks eight years of ideological entrenchment by Trumpism, along with massive damage to the Republican brand. A complacent idea.

Whatever option is chosen, it will not be easy or pretty. And any comfort for Republicans will be cold because they brought this fate on themselves and the country.

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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/21/2017 3:40:19 PM   
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Jon Ossoff's $23 Million Loss Shows Dems Have No Idea How to Win in the Age of Trump

‘The fight goes on. Hope is still alive,’ Ossoff said in his concession speech, as his party struggles to crack the code for converting resistance into victory.

SANDY SPRINGS, Georgia—After $50 million and a congressional contest bigger than some presidential primaries, the special election in Georgia’s 6th District to replace Rep. Tom Price ended up where it began, with the House seat still in Republican hands and national Democrats still looking for a way to turn the resistance to Donald Trump into a victory at the polls.
With 81 percent reporting, former Secretary of State Karen Handel defeated Democrat Jon Ossoff 52.5 percent to 47.5 percent.

From the moment Price announced he was leaving the seat to become President Donald Trump’s secretary of health and human services, the race to replace him was a highly nationalized, money-soaked brawl—a referendum, especially for Democrats, on the president in an affluent suburban Atlanta district he’d barely won in November.

After Rep. John Lewis (D-GA) endorsed Ossoff, then a 29-year-old unknown Democrat who lived just outside the district, liberal activists from across the country flooded Ossoff’s campaign war chest, blowing it up into a $23 million mega-campaign in five months. Within weeks, he rocketed to the front of the field in the Republican-packed 17-way jungle primary in April.

When Ossoff came up less than 2 points short of the 50 percent threshold to win the primary outright in April, he went on to face off against Handel, a longtime fixture in local Republican politics. While Handel stuck to closed-door fundraisers, avoided national reporters, and held invitation-only GOP events, Ossofff knocked on doors, did Republican neighborhood meetings, and went to every meet-and-greet he could. His goal was to ask for every vote. Hers was to stick with what had been working for the last 40 years in the district: turning out reliable Republicans.

The Washington big guns joined in on both sides, with Speaker Paul Ryan’s PAC sending millions of dollars to give Handel TV air cover as Trump mean-tweeted and Comey-fired his way to one bad headline after another.

On the Democratic side, the combined efforts of the Ossoff campaign, the Democratic National Committee, and the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee help build a monster operation unprecedented in Georgia Democratic politics. By the end of the race, they had knocked on more than 500,000 doors, hired 100 staffers, recruited 12,000 active volunteers and spent more than $11 million on ads on everything from the Today show to Korean newspapers and gospel stations.

But, and this is the part that will sting Democrats for a long time: It still wasn’t enough...

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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/21/2017 3:47:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		So the GOP strategy as far as you can see is that Dems are in a mess too, so it's all good.

These are our LEADERS? We are so fucked.

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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/21/2017 4:49:07 PM   
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So the GOP strategy as far as you can see is that Dems are in a mess too, so it's all good.

These are our LEADERS? We are so fucked.

You still don't get it

WaPo is literally pure propaganda, and I reject their false premises and their anonymous unnamed fictional fake news bullshit stories out of hand

Democrats have become completely radicalized, and insane

They claim to be for the poor and women and minorities but they buy into Jeff Bezos' propaganda just because it's red meat for their hysteria, and he is almost the richest man in the world working your puppet strings

Along with George Soros

President Trump is flawed but he is all about draining the swamp, for real. The swamp, is cronyism business-as-usual unsustainable debt, for the benefit of ultra wealthy global elitists and the politicians who kowtow to them

You are seriously deranged. You don't even see the childish drivel, the insanity that you and your comrades habitually post in defense of their massive fraud because you are seriously unhinged

You still believe in polls because you are stupid, after Trump won when there was no path according to every outlet. Same thing happened yesterday with the runoff election, polls proved that the Democrat was going to win because everybody hates Trump so much

It's all propaganda

Open your fucking eyes dimwit and start thinking for yourself like so many others have already done

Majority of Democrats and Republicans say media has partisan agendas: poll

Camille Paglia: Democrats are colluding with the media to create chaos


Camille Paglia Blames Dems for Destroying Journalism - 'It Is Going to Take Decades to Recover'



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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/21/2017 5:05:08 PM   
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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/21/2017 5:22:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing...

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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/21/2017 5:24:26 PM   
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Actual lunatics are MMs biggest cheerleaders, and he doesn't see it

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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/21/2017 6:10:18 PM   
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felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing felchgobbling putinjizz various and sundry bathrooms blah blah blah vague leftist talking points that mean nothing...

ad infinitum ad nauseam

Thank you, your original thoughts are about as retarded as the shit you felchgobble from townhall, dogshit44. you felchobble putinjizz ad infinitum and ad nauseam, and will never be any less retarded, go back in the corner by your dish and lay down, dogshit44.

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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/21/2017 6:13:54 PM   
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Actual lunatics are MMs biggest cheerleaders, and he doesn't see it

And nobody is your cheerleader you old fat retarded pedophile putinjizz felchgobbling compound gimp...occasionally three or four of you form a circlefelch and slobber over each other in your droning cartoon world insane, pants shitting cowardice ineffective impotent fashion, and then you think, what a great bunch of retards we are. Thats about the size of your lives.

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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/21/2017 7:23:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		So let me see if I've got this straight. Being a lunatic and all.

1) The GOP kept long-standing GOP seats
2) So nothing actually changes, and
3) This is a big win for the GOP.

If that's the case, the bar for "winning" at GOP Headquarters is very low.

Talk about desperate for a "win."

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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/21/2017 7:42:55 PM   
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The Dems, who have lost four special elections in a row now while screaming that Trump is the end of the Republican party... Keep losing, and losing, and losing, and losing

Maybe they need to go further left?

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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/21/2017 8:22:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, they're treading water, since they're "losing" seats that were already Republican.

They do need to run on something more engaging than "we're not Trump."

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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/21/2017 9:22:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		The essence of your thread is they have a complete incompetent orange lying divisive tantrum throwing cunt nutter in office, and bit of insane straw after insane straw aint breaking the autocracy, nepotism, cronyism trumpism camels back

Just chuck him into a volcano good riddance and all that. Well, when he's not too busy threatening to shoot Hillary, people on fifth avenue, claw womens pussy, piss away $20 million on a game of golf, label everything fake news save fox brexibart, call everything a fuking hoax from the Russian thing to Chinese climate hoax too he really won the popular vote if it wasnt for 3-5 million niggers, darkie, spics and ghosts voting for Hillary someone, try to start a war with just about everyone, something about two scoops of icecream what the fuk, wreck health care, travel ban the darkies, wipe his arse with the constitution, call your Justice system and law enforcement into disrepute, go on the tele and sob like a fuking baby to the Russian Masters to find Hillary someone’s emails, piss on the Paris accord etc etc.

Wonder what mad fukery hes been up to today - they've not gave him the launch codes have they?


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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/21/2017 9:28:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		But this is not news. It's almost as if the repubs had thrown million$ into a NY suburban race (dem dominated) for a vacant seat, were supposed to lose and still lost. So what ? The news is, if any...it was close.

Who knew that repubs of Geo. would still vote against their own interest ?

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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/22/2017 5:09:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		So desperate for a "win" that they'll take this as one.

Doesn't bode well.

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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/22/2017 5:18:13 AM   
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So desperate for a "win" that they'll take this as one.

Doesn't bode well.


Reality check - taking a win as a win, is sane. Telling yourselves that a win is a loss, is insane.



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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/22/2017 5:31:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Reality check -- when "winning" is just keeping what you've got, you're not doing so well.

Even when posted in really big font size.

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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/22/2017 5:34:38 AM   
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Reality check -- when "winning" is just keeping what you've got, you're not doing so well.

Even when posted in really big font size.


The majority is what they've got

Keeping it is indeed a win, and a very good one

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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/22/2017 5:41:38 AM   
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So let me see if I've got this straight. Being a lunatic and all.

1) The GOP kept long-standing GOP seats
2) So nothing actually changes, and
3) This is a big win for the GOP.

If that's the case, the bar for "winning" at GOP Headquarters is very low.

Talk about desperate for a "win."

At least they're not whining about three million votes that they didn't get being illegal this time.
Baby steps, and all that...

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RE: The GOP’s hard, messy options for destroying Trum... - 6/22/2017 5:46:00 AM   
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So let me see if I've got this straight. Being a lunatic and all.

1) The GOP kept long-standing GOP seats
2) So nothing actually changes, and
3) This is a big win for the GOP.

If that's the case, the bar for "winning" at GOP Headquarters is very low.

Talk about desperate for a "win."

At least they're not whining about three million votes that they didn't get being illegal this time.
Baby steps, and all that...


Harking back to Obama preaching that elections cannot be hacked I see, and Hillary lecturing about how dangerous it is to democracy itself, for anyone to refuse to accept election results

Nice

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