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thompsonx -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/26/2017 4:35:05 AM)
ORIGINAL: Nnanji ORIGINAL: thompsonx Really Thompson, explain that in the context to which I was responding to blondie. I think youre full of shit. But you show me where I'm wrong. Still awaiting your cite re: pain as a result of bleeding. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. ...Thompson, I think that was Greta or someone else. Like I said, try and keep up. Well, yes. Your assumption that the animal was still alive after driving a bolt into its head just because the heart was still beating was nonsense. While on the other hand the animal with a throat cut is still alive, aware and pumping adrenaline into the muscles for some time. One of the reasons that you want a quick clean kill, other than respect for the animal, is so the meat isn't tainted from chemicals pumped by an animal in distress. The religious justification for draining the blood is because the life is in the blood, Leviticus 17:11. In the old days draining the blood before life fled was gods law. With modern technology the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal and still observe the religious justification Do you even read the moronic shit you post before you hit enter? Jesus you are phoquing stupid. Yea I read what I write Thompson. Is that all you got? Perhaps if you got a grown up to explain what you wrote??? Then you might try to answer the question posed....prove that bleeding is painful. Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

thompsonx -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/26/2017 4:42:48 AM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 ORIGINAL: thompsonx I am sure that being shot must pale by comparison. It is scientifically sound that if you shoot the correct part of the brain, the death is instant. That is not what we are talking about dumbass. We are talking about your paper cut being more painful than being shot. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. I'm pretty sure a punch by floyd though will render me into coma immediately with his strength. So I may not feel pain too. In all of the non coma producing punches you would prefer the punch to the paper cut? Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

thompsonx -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/26/2017 9:27:02 AM)
ORIGINAL: Greta75 RIGINAL: thompsonx They detected a pain signal lasting for up to 2 minutes after the incision. When their throats are cut, calves generally lose consciousness after 10 to 30 seconds, sometimes longer.[/color] How do you feel pain when you are unconscious dumbass? Jesus you are phoquing stupid. 10 to 30 secs is pretty horrifying to be conscious and feeling your throat cut dumbass! The throat cutting does not last the se 10-30 seconds being discussed dumbass. That's cruelty already. The whole point is that they experience ZERO pain Cite please and the electric shock calibrated to the correct area in their brain instantly does this. Cut off the pain signals. Instantly???

Nnanji -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/26/2017 9:47:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Nnanji ORIGINAL: thompsonx Really Thompson, explain that in the context to which I was responding to blondie. I think youre full of shit. But you show me where I'm wrong. Still awaiting your cite re: pain as a result of bleeding. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. ...Thompson, I think that was Greta or someone else. Like I said, try and keep up. Well, yes. Your assumption that the animal was still alive after driving a bolt into its head just because the heart was still beating was nonsense. While on the other hand the animal with a throat cut is still alive, aware and pumping adrenaline into the muscles for some time. One of the reasons that you want a quick clean kill, other than respect for the animal, is so the meat isn't tainted from chemicals pumped by an animal in distress. The religious justification for draining the blood is because the life is in the blood, Leviticus 17:11. In the old days draining the blood before life fled was gods law. With modern technology the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal and still observe the religious justification Do you even read the moronic shit you post before you hit enter? Jesus you are phoquing stupid. Yea I read what I write Thompson. Is that all you got? Perhaps if you got a grown up to explain what you wrote??? Then you might try to answer the question posed....prove that bleeding is painful. Jesus you are phoquing stupid. Where is pain mentioned. You posted to the wrong person and instead of admitting a simple mistake you're taking a simpleton response to try and cover it up. Fucking dumbass.

thompsonx -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/26/2017 9:52:27 AM)
ORIGINAL: Nnanji the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal Where is pain mentioned. the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal

Nnanji -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/26/2017 10:11:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx ORIGINAL: Nnanji the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal Where is pain mentioned. the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal Where does it mention pain?

thompsonx -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/26/2017 10:20:12 AM)
OGINAL: Nnanji ORIGINAL: thompsonx the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal Where is pain mentioned. the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal Where does it mention pain? As mentioned earlier...perhaps you might seek the help of an adult.

Nnanji -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/26/2017 12:16:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx OGINAL: Nnanji ORIGINAL: thompsonx the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal Where is pain mentioned. the old way of slashing the throat and allowing the animal to bleed out is not the gentlest way to treat the animal Where does it mention pain? As mentioned earlier...perhaps you might seek the help of an adult. That would, of course, exclude you. So I'll say again, and maybe you can find some help reading, where does it say "pain"?

blnymph -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/26/2017 2:21:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 It is scientifically sound that if you shoot the correct part of the brain, the death is instant. You don't have time to feel pain. So yes, if the shot is done correctly, I prefer to being shot than having my throat slit where there can be up till 2 minutes of excruciating pain before I pass out. And IF the animal slaughter can calibrate their machines properly with proper brain scanning machines to identify the correct region in the animal brain and shoot into it correctly all the time, we can have painless death all the time. I know with technology this is possible, it's only whether the government wanna come down hard on them for making sure this happens. Sorry to spoil your morbid slaughter fantasies again. In case you missed about 3 pages ago: Shooting into an animal's brain is neither "state of the art" nor desirable. Doing so spreads brain matter in and outside the animal and is the main agent for spreading BSE and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and is therefore no longer done wherever BSE occured. But maybe you prefer Creutzfeldt-Jakob.

Real0ne -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/26/2017 7:03:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 It is scientifically sound that if you shoot the correct part of the brain, the death is instant. You don't have time to feel pain. So yes, if the shot is done correctly, I prefer to being shot than having my throat slit where there can be up till 2 minutes of excruciating pain before I pass out. And IF the animal slaughter can calibrate their machines properly with proper brain scanning machines to identify the correct region in the animal brain and shoot into it correctly all the time, we can have painless death all the time. I know with technology this is possible, it's only whether the government wanna come down hard on them for making sure this happens. Sorry to spoil your morbid slaughter fantasies again. In case you missed about 3 pages ago: Shooting into an animal's brain is neither "state of the art" nor desirable. Doing so spreads brain matter in and outside the animal and is the main agent for spreading BSE and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and is therefore no longer done wherever BSE occured. But maybe you prefer Creutzfeldt-Jakob. ffs you are about as good at this as translating german. greta is spot on, I have done it many times. Cow behind the ear toward the brain stem, pig triangle between the eyes and a few degrees high, they both drop like a rock with no nerve twitch, no brain spatter what so ever. WTF do you think you kill these animals with a fucking tank round, 22 LR is all it takes and it works perfectly every time if you know wtf you are doing. Keep working on that mass expatriation too! LOL

Termyn8or -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/27/2017 3:38:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph quote: ORIGINAL: Greta75 It is scientifically sound that if you shoot the correct part of the brain, the death is instant. You don't have time to feel pain. So yes, if the shot is done correctly, I prefer to being shot than having my throat slit where there can be up till 2 minutes of excruciating pain before I pass out. And IF the animal slaughter can calibrate their machines properly with proper brain scanning machines to identify the correct region in the animal brain and shoot into it correctly all the time, we can have painless death all the time. I know with technology this is possible, it's only whether the government wanna come down hard on them for making sure this happens. Sorry to spoil your morbid slaughter fantasies again. In case you missed about 3 pages ago: Shooting into an animal's brain is neither "state of the art" nor desirable. Doing so spreads brain matter in and outside the animal and is the main agent for spreading BSE and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease, and is therefore no longer done wherever BSE occured. But maybe you prefer Creutzfeldt-Jakob. I thought BSE was much reduced by no longer feeding the sick animals to the healthy ones. And being a protein or whatever there is no antibiotic or drug that can cure it. From what I gleaned, not even cooking the eat at 500 degrees eliminates it. It is simply not a germ or bug like that, which usually can be eliminated with certain chemicals or whatever. What I don't understand is why not just cut the whole head off and be done with it ? Just slitting the throat (and bringing the kids to see) seems sadistic to me, and not in a good way. And it seems to be Semitics who advocate such methods. Is that a racist remark or the truth ? I read of farmers who gave their chickens a bit of whiskey before cutting their head off. Said it made the chicken ore tender. The accuracy of that is of course in question. But the other question is why to make the animal suffer at all ? I would almost go so far as to advocate giving them some drugs so they feel no pain, but then we don't need that shit in our food. There are already enough additives, hormones and who knows what in there. You probably don't want to feed your kids Demerol enhanced meat. But really, I think this having the heart pump the blood out is a religious thing and should be discarded. All religion has to go. I see nothing wrong with cutting the animal's head off and letting it just bleed naturally. That automatically eliminates the BSE from getting into it. It is probably more humane than other methods. And this whole problem is due to overpopulation. We did not need these high producing methods when the population was much less. The food was better quality. The average lifespan was lower but then that was because of infant mortality, teenage misadventures and wars. If you made it through that you could expect to get a hardon like a twenty year old when you were eighty. But the food is corrupt. I have researched this for decades. Most diseases are caused by bad food, at least in the US. I wish I had the time to write about it at length. But I guess I hijacked. Sue me. The thread was about "how nasty them people are". Sorry. T^T

blnymph -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/27/2017 6:29:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or ... But really, I think this having the heart pump the blood out is a religious thing and should be discarded. All religion has to go. I see nothing wrong with cutting the animal's head off and letting it just bleed naturally. That automatically eliminates the BSE from getting into it. It is probably more humane than other methods. ... But that's the point: No, it is not at all. To get the blood out of the blood circuit is the most important thing to prevent it from decaying within hours - and the most efficient if not only way to get it done efficiently is by letting the still pumping heart (+gravity) do the emptying of the blood vessels. Whether religions or experience or whatever else say so is irrelevant to the outcome and largely to the procedure as such. Decapitation (chicken+axe, farmhouse style) works that way for sure. But do you think cows would wait patiently till you chop their heads off? Ever seen a bull's neck - do you think a single stroke would be sufficient? You might probably need a guillotine style machinery causing a new problem to get the animal in, the meat out, which sounds like the opposite of efficient to me.

WhoreMods -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/27/2017 6:41:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph But that's the point: No, it is not at all. To get the blood out of the blood circuit is the most important thing to prevent it from decaying within hours - and the most efficient if not only way to get it done efficiently is by letting the still pumping heart (+gravity) do the emptying of the blood vessels. Whether religions or experience or whatever else say so is irrelevant to the outcome and largely to the procedure as such. I pointed out that the whole sacrificing an animal's blood to God was a ritualisation of hygiene like most of the rest of Leviticus and the other sources the Koran plagiarised its halal stuff from a couple of pages back. quote: Decapitation (chicken+axe, farmhouse style) works that way for sure. But do you think cows would wait patiently till you chop their heads off? Ever seen a bull's neck - do you think a single stroke would be sufficient? You might probably need a guillotine style machinery causing a new problem to get the animal in, the meat out, which sounds like the opposite of efficient to me. It is possible to decapitate cattle with a sufficiently heavy blade but possibly not in a single blow: have you not seen Apocalypse Now? There's a montage at the end of Sheen finally getting up off his arse and killing Brandon, interspersed with one of the locals hacking a water buffalo (or something)'s head off while a Doors organ solo plays loudly in the background...

MercTech -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/27/2017 8:02:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph But that's the point: No, it is not at all. To get the blood out of the blood circuit is the most important thing to prevent it from decaying within hours - and the most efficient if not only way to get it done efficiently is by letting the still pumping heart (+gravity) do the emptying of the blood vessels. Whether religions or experience or whatever else say so is irrelevant to the outcome and largely to the procedure as such. Decapitation (chicken+axe, farmhouse style) works that way for sure. But do you think cows would wait patiently till you chop their heads off? Ever seen a bull's neck - do you think a single stroke would be sufficient? You might probably need a guillotine style machinery causing a new problem to get the animal in, the meat out, which sounds like the opposite of efficient to me. Actually, in the case of chickens, it is preferable to render them unconscious before killing them. Farmhouse style is to wring the neck of the chicken THEN cut the head off. If you cut it off to kill the bird; instead of blood draining from the body you get blood spray all over the place and a chicken trying to run around with no head. The commercial use of a bolt gun for large animals is considered the most humane. Brain trauma being an instant kill is the thought. When thinking of a guillotine; consider the accounts from when it was used for capital punishment of heads blinking and trying to mouth words for a few minutes after the axe dropped.

Termyn8or -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/27/2017 3:24:40 PM)
quote: Decapitation (chicken+axe, farmhouse style) works that way for sure. But do you think cows would wait patiently till you chop their heads off? Ever seen a bull's neck - do you think a single stroke would be sufficient? You might probably need a guillotine style machinery causing a new problem to get the animal in, the meat out, which sounds like the opposite of efficient to me. Good point. They are much larger. But then we got power tools, and can build that guillotine. But they are pretty much already hung up by their back legs. How much less humane can it get ? We got what's called partner saws that can saw through six inches of concrete. A bovine neck would be no problem, except for cost. And of course religious "laws". Religious laws are fucking bullshit. Before synthetic insulin was developed, it came from pigs. What did the Semites do, just die ? All this shit is shit. And Leviticus was a god damned nut. There ay have been a source of some wisdom, but his crazyness outweighed his weight in that department. He was a fucking nut. You want to be stoned to death for wearing silk and cotton at the same time ? I am old and really ready to leave this world. As such I am becoming ore outspoken about my views. You either like it or not. Also, I am all for torture, but only for those who tortured others. Saw a TV show where the Mother tortured her kid to death. Not sure what would impel her to do that but she did. They gave her the death penalty. I wish there was something worse than the death penalty. And this Sharia, those motherfuckers cut off the nose and ears of a young Woman, FOR GOING TO SCHOOL. Do you want them in your fucking neighborhood ? Let me know where you live so I can be sure never to move there. THEY ARE FUCKING ANIMALS. Why is it so hard for people to understand that ? T^T

Real0ne -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/27/2017 4:12:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or And of course religious "laws". Religious laws are fucking bullshit. Before synthetic insulin was developed, it came from pigs. What did the Semites do, just die ? All this shit is shit. And Leviticus was a god damned nut. There ay have been a source of some wisdom, but his crazyness outweighed his weight in that department. He was a fucking nut. You want to be stoned to death for wearing silk and cotton at the same time ? I am old and really ready to leave this world. As such I am becoming ore outspoken about my views. You either like it or not. T^T quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or All religion has to go. T^T Great, scream it from the mountain tops, but dont come out here and force me to prove you lack education in religion. read my lips term: EVERYONE HAS A RELIGION, its inescapable, I posted it several times that YOU NEED NO GOD TO HAVE A RELIGION. While many approaches to religion exclude nontheism by definition, there are some inclusive definitions that show how religious practice and belief do not depend on the presence of god(s). For example, Paul James and Peter Mandaville distinguish between religion and spirituality, but provide a definition of the term that avoids the usual reduction to "religions of the book": religion can be defined as a relatively-bounded system of beliefs, symbols and practices that addresses the nature of existence, and in which communion with others and Otherness is lived as if it both takes in and spiritually transcends socially-grounded ontologies of time, space, embodiment and knowing.[2] FFS if you dont want to read 6 ft of theology and philosophy at least read what you can see direct out of wiki. Religion is the only right that can directly affect freedom FROM da gubmint. Think about that. That said what your complaint is, is about a specific 'BELIEF' of a given religion which is a legitimate criticism, you cant say a religion is fucked only the specific beliefs 'PRACTICED' by any given religion, which you feel runs contrary to YOUR RELIGION. Technically there are as many religions as there are people on the planet.

Real0ne -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/27/2017 4:31:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph But that's the point: No, it is not at all. To get the blood out of the blood circuit is the most important thing to prevent it from decaying within hours - and the most efficient if not only way to get it done efficiently is by letting the still pumping heart (+gravity) do the emptying of the blood vessels. Whether religions or experience or whatever else say so is irrelevant to the outcome and largely to the procedure as such. Decapitation (chicken+axe, farmhouse style) works that way for sure. But do you think cows would wait patiently till you chop their heads off? Ever seen a bull's neck - do you think a single stroke would be sufficient? You might probably need a guillotine style machinery causing a new problem to get the animal in, the meat out, which sounds like the opposite of efficient to me. Actually, in the case of chickens, it is preferable to render them unconscious before killing them. Farmhouse style is to wring the neck of the chicken THEN cut the head off. If you cut it off to kill the bird; instead of blood draining from the body you get blood spray all over the place and a chicken trying to run around with no head. The commercial use of a bolt gun for large animals is considered the most humane. Brain trauma being an instant kill is the thought. When thinking of a guillotine; consider the accounts from when it was used for capital punishment of heads blinking and trying to mouth words for a few minutes after the axe dropped. well she thinks that because its called a stunner it just knocks the animal out, it doesnt as you said it fires a bolt into their brain. LOL Description The Blitz-Kerner Captive Bolt Stunner is an affordable and safe solution for humanely euthanizing animals. This German-made instrument uses powerful 9mm cartridges to deliver a dependable, effective and high-velocity penetration. A simple design and fewer internal parts mean this is a highly efficient, affordable and easy-to-maintain product. Centerfire cartridges hold higher pressures than rimfire cartridges, making them more powerful and efficient. It is a heavy-duty device that withstands rugged farm conditions. Features/Specifications: Chrome steel finish Knurled handle for better grip Fewer parts than competitive brands Bolt penetrates 2.25" Dimensions: 1.5" W x 13" L Weight: 5 lbs. Kit Includes: Heavy-duty carrying case Blitz Stunner 2 Boxes of Cartridges; 1 Red, 1 Blue (150 total cartridges) Cleaning Fluid Cleaning Brush Note: #140760 is for the stunner KIT. For the stunner only, see #140759 (sold separately). If you have any questions, please call us to consult with one of our euthanizing experts. Brand Blitz-Kerner Manufacturer Part Number 35-321 Animal Cattle, Swine, Sheep & Goat That said, I watched a farmer who was pissed off because a bull gored him while trying to get it into the barn, he grabbed a hardwood baseball bat and set out after that bull, the damn bull charged at him and he took a swing connecting just above the eyes. The bull tumbled to the ground and laid there but before it came to, he said fuck this, slit the bulls throat, jumped on a tractor and picked it up by the rear hoofs and butchered it right on the spot, that said these animals could be knocked out before slitting their throats. The moral of the story is that the bull charged and he had kids and that was over the line, the bull was a danger to the kids, so it was end of the line.

Nnanji -> RE: HALAL CERTIFICATION - The Unpalatable Facts (6/27/2017 7:15:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne quote: ORIGINAL: MercTech quote: ORIGINAL: blnymph But that's the point: No, it is not at all. To get the blood out of the blood circuit is the most important thing to prevent it from decaying within hours - and the most efficient if not only way to get it done efficiently is by letting the still pumping heart (+gravity) do the emptying of the blood vessels. Whether religions or experience or whatever else say so is irrelevant to the outcome and largely to the procedure as such. Decapitation (chicken+axe, farmhouse style) works that way for sure. But do you think cows would wait patiently till you chop their heads off? Ever seen a bull's neck - do you think a single stroke would be sufficient? You might probably need a guillotine style machinery causing a new problem to get the animal in, the meat out, which sounds like the opposite of efficient to me. Actually, in the case of chickens, it is preferable to render them unconscious before killing them. Farmhouse style is to wring the neck of the chicken THEN cut the head off. If you cut it off to kill the bird; instead of blood draining from the body you get blood spray all over the place and a chicken trying to run around with no head. The commercial use of a bolt gun for large animals is considered the most humane. Brain trauma being an instant kill is the thought. When thinking of a guillotine; consider the accounts from when it was used for capital punishment of heads blinking and trying to mouth words for a few minutes after the axe dropped. well she thinks that because its called a stunner it just knocks the animal out, it doesnt as you said it fires a bolt into their brain. LOL Description The Blitz-Kerner Captive Bolt Stunner is an affordable and safe solution for humanely euthanizing animals. This German-made instrument uses powerful 9mm cartridges to deliver a dependable, effective and high-velocity penetration. A simple design and fewer internal parts mean this is a highly efficient, affordable and easy-to-maintain product. Centerfire cartridges hold higher pressures than rimfire cartridges, making them more powerful and efficient. It is a heavy-duty device that withstands rugged farm conditions. Features/Specifications: Chrome steel finish Knurled handle for better grip Fewer parts than competitive brands Bolt penetrates 2.25" Dimensions: 1.5" W x 13" L Weight: 5 lbs. Kit Includes: Heavy-duty carrying case Blitz Stunner 2 Boxes of Cartridges; 1 Red, 1 Blue (150 total cartridges) Cleaning Fluid Cleaning Brush Note: #140760 is for the stunner KIT. For the stunner only, see #140759 (sold separately). If you have any questions, please call us to consult with one of our euthanizing experts. Brand Blitz-Kerner Manufacturer Part Number 35-321 Animal Cattle, Swine, Sheep & Goat That said, I watched a farmer who was pissed off because a bull gored him while trying to get it into the barn, he grabbed a hardwood baseball bat and set out after that bull, the damn bull charged at him and he took a swing connecting just above the eyes. The bull tumbled to the ground and laid there but before it came to, he said fuck this, slit the bulls throat, jumped on a tractor and picked it up by the rear hoofs and butchered it right on the spot, that said these animals could be knocked out before slitting their throats. The moral of the story is that the bull charged and he had kids and that was over the line, the bull was a danger to the kids, so it was end of the line. Come on RO, blondie read one wiki post and is setting herself up as an expert. Google the topic and notice she hasn't said one thing that isn't in the one wiki post.

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