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The Play within a Play - 12/8/2004 10:52:04 AM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		beth pointed out an inconsistency in my philosophy and belief. In other words - she posed a question that made be see that I was wrooo...wroog....wrrron.....WRONG! There I said it - DAMN I HATE when she does this!

Anyway, the subject was 'games' and 'role-playing'. We were chatting with some of our friends and discussing the differences between slaves/subs and Masters/Doms. (Always good to generate heated debate on definitions isn't it?) Anyway, my point was a distinction can be made by the fact that Master/slave live it 24/7 while a Dom/sub are only distracting themselves with sensation play or role-playing, a Master/slave don't play or need distractions.

And therein is where my beth caught a dichotomy. Although we live together as Master / slave 24/7, we sometimes do play and get into role playing. For instance, today is Wednesday - "hump day"; I sometimes play with beth as my 'puppy'. Other days we may play in other ways. It's always with the same power dynamic, but I guess these little sojourns are a 'game' or 'playing'.

So I was wondering, do others with similar relationships, take little side trips?
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RE: The Play within a Play - 12/8/2004 11:49:40 AM   
MistressFire70


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Status: offline 		Perhaps one difference between Ds and Ms is in the emphasis on play? For Ds, it's a central issue, for Ms, it's not? Just throwing out a thought and not actually answering your question. LOL

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RE: The Play within a Play - 12/8/2004 2:27:30 PM   
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Angel would also like to know what is the definition of a D/s relationship compared to Ms?

What exactly is Ms?
What exactly is Ds?

Angel lives and serves and submits '24/7'(which btw, we hate that description!)
Yet she is not a 'slave'? Yet in the relationship she submits to, any 'sensation or roleplay' is not used as a distraction, but a moment in time to enhance and grow and learn.

Other Dominants I know use roleplaying and sensation play as a means to grow both Themself and The submissive... but they are not that submissives Master? It is something that comes across naturally and is part of what they are and were born to be, rather than just a distraction to pass the time.

Therefore, Our relationship does not take side trips. His desire is final.

Thinking that the term 'Master' belongs to only a person who Owns something that another does not, uniquely and individually.(IMO)



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RE: The Play within a Play - 12/8/2004 2:58:47 PM   
MistressDREAD


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Status: offline 		OIhhhhh Helll Yeaaaa Merc!!!!



The Playyy with in the Playyyyy is sooooooooo goodddddd~~
especially when you do it in public and just totally have vanillas
gawking with their mouths hangin down draggin on the floor.....

the mechanics are also the differances in submissive to slave
as it is with T0p-Dom/me to Master/Mistress JMO

quote:

a submissive chooses by the moment by the minuite
by the hour by the day by the week by the month by
the year when and how and who and where they will
choose to serve a Dominant daily to fullfill their selfs
or to not. The Dominant benifits only when the sub
chooses to serve them but with self is being fullfilled too.

a slave chooses to serve once forever
to fullfill the Dominants needs.They are a person held
concensually in servitude as the chattel of a
another person. one that is completely servient
to a Dominating influence and not self. a device
(as in a posession) that is directly
responsive to anothers needs completly.

if you are a person whom is suplicant and in order
for you to feel suplicant you make choices in what
you will give then you are submitting but if you
choose to let another say what you will give you
are slave

now this is My take on those into suplication n subjudication.
JMO MistressDREAD™®©reg/1979


< Message edited by MistressDREAD -- 12/8/2004 3:01:31 PM >

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RE: The Play within a Play - 12/8/2004 3:14:23 PM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		I knew I shouldn't have used the M/s, D/s debate for this exact reason - it became the focus of the thread. But it was how the subject came up and it's disclosure is part of the curse of always trying to be truthful.

And also - as a Master, of course my desires are final.

My question remains. And as an obviously dedicated and devoted slave you are a perfect source of information. If your Master permits of course, I'd be interested in knowing; are all your days exactly the same 24/7? Or since you don't like that reference and considering that the year is actually 365.242190 days long, for accuracy sake it should be 24.015925/7. Is there a better way to reference people living together in the same household always under the rules and desires of a Master? I just find 24/7 a short and accurate way to describe how we live.

I agree that these derivations from routine are a source of growth, experimenting, and limit stretching. I infer from your response that they occur, appropriately at your Master's whim.

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RE: The Play within a Play - 12/8/2004 4:42:12 PM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		Dread -
What a GREAT Quote! Mind if I borrow it for future reference?

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RE: The Play within a Play - 12/8/2004 5:04:24 PM   
MistressDREAD


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Status: offline 		not at all Merc. Ive had it around for many years now......
You know the drill....... post with credit ect ect ect.....

With Your permission Merc Id like to make a comment to beth

hey beth!! every second of My 24/7 is tottally diffie so maybe
it should be stated instead of 24/7 infinitly M/s or was it E=mc2?
hMMMMM damn now I have forgot which is which.. gawd Im gettin
OLD!

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RE: The Play within a Play - 12/8/2004 5:07:32 PM   
MistressDREAD


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Status: offline 		HA!

I just looked at what I wrote
I bet it starts a new fad in what
We call 24/7, YYYYOU read it here
FIRST!!


quote:

infinity M/s


LOL
Damn lemmie go run and send off a copywrite on it~

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RE: The Play within a Play - 12/8/2004 5:24:49 PM   
liljoy


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Status: offline 		we seldom find time to play. Between work scheduals and sleep patterns getting messed up. it's difficult to find a time when oth of us have the energy to get into a scene. When we do play not often does it include role play. Some but not often.
Master decideds when, how and where we play but He does take into consideration how rested i am and how i am physically feeling. i remember my first visit to the sanctuary in Dallas. It was before we were living together. i'd worked the night before and then drove 4 hours. i did take a lil cat nap before we went. Since it was my first time in a real dungeon i was permitted to check out each piece of equipment. Master had proclaimed before we went that there would be no play. i understood His reasoning but i was still like a kid in a candy store

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RE: The Play within a Play - 12/8/2004 5:52:52 PM   
Suleiman


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Status: offline 		Hey, man, you know my philosophy - it's ALL roleplaying, whether you do it full time or part. Taking a break from the usual game to play something else is just a palate cleanser, a bit of wasabi and ginger between plates of sushi. It was just so cute watching you admit that you were questioning your basic philosophy (I would never apply the W word to so minor a quandry, myself), I had to stick my nose in and giggle for a few.

~S

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RE: The Play within a Play - 12/9/2004 10:43:28 AM   
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As for answering your question... no, not every day is the same... thank goodness... He allows everyday to be different and exciting... (That is His desire and His desires are all that is and is to come)
quote:

Is there a better way to reference people living together in the same household always under the rules and desires of a Master? I just find 24/7 a short and accurate way to describe how we live.


Yup there is, He & Angel call it Life...! (cheesy grin)

(Really liking what MistressDread wrote tho...)



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RE: The Play within a Play - 12/9/2004 11:06:37 AM   
Mercnbeth


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quote:

Yup there is, He & Angel call it Life...! (cheesy grin)


Ah, but many only live 'life' or define 'life' as weekends and vacations. Or they don't/can't live together. But I agree, beth and I self describe ourselves as a life not a lifestyle. you win - but I'll still use 24/7 as a because it's become a lifestyle GAP. (Generally Acceptable Practice).

Your Master is fortunate to have you as His slave. your devotion is evident, honest, and sincere.

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RE: The Play within a Play - 12/9/2004 7:35:00 PM   
LadySonelle


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Status: offline 		Well, there is living, styling, playing and playacting. Among many many other things.

Who is to say which is more or less legitimate than anything else? For instance: When I collared My sweet First Servitor, slave k, I first took her dagger (her property) from her and nicked the flesh of her throat with the blade, blooding it. She kissed the blade and I then re-sheathed it and handed it *back* to her and she keeps it still, to this day. The meaning was very serious. She, physically, is stronger than I and she places her full physical power in subservience and also in defence of Me. When necessary, she is armed and fully capable of doing violence (and has, on one very memorable occasion). That's *real*. While very symbolic, it is also very day-to-day reality.

But sometimes, we like to play (do scenes) as is usually understood in BDSM, and more often, we enjoy what I call "Fantasexuality" or playacting. I am a multibillionaire record-producer and she, My druggie-heroin-addicted slutboy. We have given these characters background, life, histories, futures, etc. Anyone seeing Phantom of the Paradise will instantly remember Swan. Vicious, sadistic, quite willing to watch another suffer for his entertainment. Or perhaps we slide into "Vampire: The Masquerade" and I become a haughty 600 year old Toreador fop with slave k as My latest Childe. Our stories can take a few seconds or several years to fully play out. Longest story arc was seven years, IIRC.

Does this make us "less real"? Hardly. It enables us to explore areas we normally wouldn't go into. I explored My submissive side as an innocent young Arab boy caught by the same Turk who did in T.E. Lawrence! Only he was a vampire (historians tend to leave out important details) who made Me his hareem slave. We've done Pre-WW-II Sturmabteilung (SA) Obergruppenfuhrer and his Puppenjunge, Kurtchen, we've done vampires, we've done Dark Shadows, Star Wars, Snake Plissken, you name it! We're currently developing a plotline about a genetically altered sapient speech-capable pony and her scientist-creator-Mistress!

The end result is that, at the end of the day, we are no less Mistress and slave than anyone else in this lifestyle... but we've had a Hell of a lot of fun in a different universe as well!

So... anyone else willing to come clean? Do you playact? If so, what?

Lady Sonelle

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RE: The Play within a Play - 12/9/2004 8:50:49 PM   
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quote:

Anyway, my point was a distinction can be made by the fact that Master/slave live it 24/7 while a Dom/sub are only distracting themselves with sensation play or role-playing, a Master/slave don't play or need distractions.

And therein is where my beth caught a dichotomy. Although we live together as Master / slave 24/7, we sometimes do play and get into role playing.


As a masochist, I can't really imagine being in a relationship that didn't involve BDSM play. Ditto for humiliation and role-play. It's a given that Master (we define our relationship as M/s even though we are only together on weekends) makes all the decisions about what we do and when, but as we are very compatible things generally work out well for both of us :)

Yours truly,
Ophelia

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RE: The Play within a Play - 12/10/2004 9:42:17 AM   
Mercnbeth


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Status: offline 		Lady Sonelle,
Thank you!
That's exactly the response I was hoping to generate.

I agree, that the deep seated submission and domination never goes away, but it's fun and exciting to sometimes add shade and coloring to the picture. The idea of an on-going theme is very cool.

In our case, we've never taken the other's role. Our little sojourns are often spontaneous. I enjoy whispering some thing in beth's ear and creating a scenario while doing the most mundane activities, like shopping, or just driving around. It definitely makes them less mundane!

We appreciate the honesty in your disclosure.

beth and I take our relationship and our responsibilities in the relationship VERY seriously. But at no point did either of us give up the rights to play and have fun. Pontificating for a moment; I think the concept of having fun with your partner would help many vanilla couples. I also believe there is a genuine physical benefit from the emotional release that comes from play. I don't believe it takes any effort. We look for opportunities every day and more often then not, we find and enjoy those opportunities.

A great philosopher, I think it was on the original Star Trek, once said; "The more intelligent a species becomes, the more the need for simple play."

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