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Feeling empowered - 6/28/2017 8:50:40 PM   
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I feel like for the longest time, just historically, a women's purity be held up to the equivalent of what gives her self-esteem and worthiness.

Whereas it's the opposite for males.

Because traditionally, women were possessions. When they couldn't get jobs, own property, or basically allowed do anything but take care of the home, raise children and just be a full time stay at home wife.

And men wanted nobody to have touched her, if he is gonna be the one taking care of her for life.

In today's world, a woman is empowered to do whatever she wants to do. Pursue all her interests and career, the heights are limitless.

Yet, there is still this stigma that exploring sexuality is tied to self-esteem.

Personally for me, it irritates me alot. Just like fat shaming does.

I've been fat shamed when I was 110lbs in a land where no ladies my age are above 100lbs. 90lbs to 100lbs was the normal weight for women here my height of 5'3. And I was practically 10lbs bigger than all my peers.

Was I seriously fat at 110lbs? No, but I was treated like I was obese by principals, teachers, relatives, parents. I keep getting told I need to starve and stop eating, as they were worried about my weight, even though, athletically, I was representing school to compete in Nationals and stronger and faster than 100lbs girls. The amount of torment I received about my weight from all my immediate family, my educators and my friends, who are seriously genuine friends who cared about me, but 110lbs for 5'3 was an abnormality over here. It's not normal. And everyone is like worried about your health and what's wrong with you. So even though technically, I wasn't fat, but it's the shit I get that seriously irritates the fuck outta me! Now I am 150lbs today, but still healthy, fit. I know when I can run a full marathon and get zero ache or pain is the fitness level that I am at. I see much Skinner people suffering for days whereas, I am like all good. Medical shows perfect health. Skinnier people got high blood or high cholesterol. It's like, you know, I get so fucking irritated at these skinny people giving me shit about my weight when their health is worst than mine. And they can't even do the intensity of sports I do, without getting into serious agonizing crippling pain days after. Really fit people, has fast recovery time and just, actually don't really get aches and pains. Because your body is conditioned for it.

Drawing parallels. It's like the same bullshit about choosing sex as a hobby. I mean, why do I do any sports or have any hobbies? I love music, I love sports, I love outdoors, I love sex.

All those things, I am gonna do equally amount of ALOT of, because I love and enjoy them. Ya know what does contact sports and fast paced sports and sex have in common? Adrenaline! I love the Adrenaline!

I guess we all gain empowerment from something. When I was fat shamed all my life, the reason why I made sure I was the top athlete in school was because I take pleasure in out running all the skinnier people who keeps fat shaming me, because end of the day, I am fatter, but healthier and fitter. At the end of the day, let's compare health. Because that's the most important thing that matter. In my country, we are filled with skinny fat people. Men are 6ft and 160lbs and below as the normal weight for a typical 6ft male, all their lives, even when they go into their 60's, same slim frame. But inside, is just high cholesterol, choked arteries, diabetes. You can never tell from the outside as they are all so lean and slim. But chances are, most of them do not work out a day in their life.

Skinny genes are like prevalent here. I mean, you'd always see a pint size tiny chinese girl gobble 30 dumplings by herself or something. Chinese as a race are known to eat ALOT. Our meals are always extravagant.

Even if they are poor Chinese, they can eat 3 to 5 bowls of rice per meal, just less meat.

Leading back to empowerment. The fact that I felt obese at 110lbs because it was what people felt about me. And today at 150lbs, I just keep looking back at me at 110lbs, and I got the same amount of fat shaming abuse at 110bs and at 150lbs. Like seriously, there was no difference, 40lbs heavier or 40lbs less. I am never gonna be 90lbs. I got bigger bones than normal chinese women. My wrist are twice the size of my girlfriends. I don't know how to reach there to stop the fat shaming. I will always be fat shamed. That's my reality. And all ya can do is feel irritated.

Same with sex shaming. The only difference is, fat shaming is base on physical appearance.

But sex shaming is base on if I reveal my sexual lifestyle. So in many ways, sex shaming is very controllable. Keep it private, nobody knows, nobody shames you. Talk about it, people are gonna start shaming you for it.

That's just how it rolls.

But back to empowerment. Because in the old days. Men held a woman's virginity to the equivalent of her worth. For me, it's empowerment to decide my own worth. And the last thing it should be based on is on how much sexual partners I have ever had. And the empowerment comes from knowing every single sexual experience was my choice and was chosen calmly and thoughtfully because I wanted to experience something sexually, and it was my journey and my exploration of the sexual world. Because of this, I never regret anyhing.

I grew up in a world where some of my girlfriends, even if they been dating this man for 3 or 4 years, and gave in to sex before marriage. And you know what? If he never marries her and if he dumps her, she spends the next few years feeling like she is damage goods because she gave herself to a freaking exclusive boyfriend she been dating for 4 years!

That will never happen to me, I will never want to feel that way, that my worth is tied to my virginity.

That's why to me, empowerment is taking control of your sexuality, and doing it for yourself and not giving sex because you feel like you have to, just to keep the stupid man.

And even though I am irritated at sex shaming, but unlike my weight, that I feel like it's very uncontrollable, because I love food and I would like to keep enjoying the food I love. Sure, if I live only on lettuce 24/7 for a year, maybe I will reach 90lbs. That will probably work. But life is too short to give up on all the yummy cuisines out there!

But being slut shamed or sex shamed and knowing that, fuck it, I have some of the most amazing mind blowing sexual experiences that brought me to fucking Nirvana! Why the fuck would I ever regret experiencing and exploring any of those experiences!

I still feel empowered! For me, when you reach "Nirvana sex" level, it's really an out of body experience. Your spirit feels like it practically floated out of my body and touched the other person's spirit. I would happily be slut shamed all my life to be able to enjoy that level of sexual experience over and over again.

In life, I love to feel things and experience things. I love physical touch alot with a lover but what transcends physical touch is to truly feel spiritual touch. And for me, when I am chasing sex, I am chasing to reach the level of spiritual touch again.

Yes, this just takes the right chemistry, the right sexual connection.
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RE: Feeling empowered - 6/28/2017 8:58:15 PM   
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You'll be truly empowered when you no longer need sex to get there.

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RE: Feeling empowered - 6/29/2017 1:43:27 AM   
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Greta, I wish I had more time to address all the issues you've raised, but I really do feel for you. Being part Asian myself and having lived overseas during a portion of my childhood, I was also made to feel strange -- but in a unique or good way. Somehow, I never let it get to me back then because I had supportive parents (a mutual admiration society) who always built up my self-esteem and made me feel like I was truly special. This makes all the difference in the world, I believe. I mean, I had the "privilege" of being able to feel Who Cares What Other People Think?, as in I could give a flying flip.

In other words, being caught between two worlds did not cause me the childhood angst that it probably should have. Back in the '70s, the "ideal" All-American poster girl was blonde-haired and blue-eyed. Cheryl Tiegs, Farrah Fawcett, what's-her-face Christie Brinkley. So-called exotic-looking gals were not sought after commercially. Just by these freaking fetishists of Asian females. And I wasn't fully Asian enough for those dudes either; I was Westernized and I don't have an Oriental mindset. So, I did reject that part of my Asian heritage and scoffed at most Asian traditions. The only segment I embraced was learning some martial arts, which was pretty cool.

Anyway, you catch my drift, even if others may not be able to relate. (That's why I have always felt as though we are sympatico! )


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RE: Feeling empowered - 6/29/2017 12:31:21 PM   
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RE: Feeling empowered - 6/30/2017 12:33:00 AM   
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idiot

Do you believe anyone like me would notice you?

Coming from the one who has to beg on this site for companionship?

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RE: Feeling empowered - 6/30/2017 9:39:52 AM   
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You really want to feel empowered as a woman? Have a kid. Surprised the fuck out of me, but that is the one thing that really did it for me.

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RE: Feeling empowered - 6/30/2017 9:53:54 AM   
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says the idiot who cannot get a woman.

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RE: Feeling empowered - 6/30/2017 11:08:13 AM   
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You really want to feel empowered as a woman? Have a kid. Surprised the fuck out of me, but that is the one thing that really did it for me.

Worst advice EVER. No woman needs to breed to feel empowered. That's a crutch. Every woman; every human being, has the wherewithal within themselves, separately and independently, to be empowered. Thanks for setting equality back to the stone ages with that viewpoint.

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RE: Feeling empowered - 6/30/2017 11:24:53 AM   
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Im guessing it depends on the circumstances.
Personally I didnt feel empowered so much as worn the hell out. I did feel different tho.
My empowerment came from recovering being raped and beaten.



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RE: Feeling empowered - 6/30/2017 2:39:17 PM   
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Im guessing it depends on the circumstances.
Personally I didnt feel empowered so much as worn the hell out. I did feel different tho.
My empowerment came from recovering being raped and beaten.




Same here. Except, it didn't empower me so much as cracked open a wall that allowed me to see I wasn't ok as I thought I was.
I've never thought of it as empowerment. I look back on my experiences and see them as detours along the way of accepting and knowing myself and liking that person - which is very empowering.

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RE: Feeling empowered - 6/30/2017 5:06:25 PM   
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Sex isn't something that empowers me, anymore than the clothes I'm wearing. I'm me, no matter if dressed up or wearing rags.
Sex is the same. Whether I had a string of guys hassling me or none never changed how I felt about myself.

My oldest was a top youth equestrian, turned down a free ride to college, etc. but when she was younger, there was a top judge who spoke frankly to a magazine about how he picked the winners. He was clear that he told one girl how it didn't matter how well she rode. He would never give her the championship because she was too fat to look good in the jacket and britches. Wtf?

We were all pleased when everyone turned on him and he stopped getting asked to judge shows.
I have no interest in causing children to develop eating disorders. If the pediatrician says they're healthy, then that's all that matters.

Any adult who feels otherwise should not be allowed to raise children. Trying to give them a fatal disease is abusive. No ifs, ands or buts.

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RE: Feeling empowered - 6/30/2017 6:08:48 PM   
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You really want to feel empowered as a woman? Have a kid. Surprised the fuck out of me, but that is the one thing that really did it for me.


It had the opposite effect on me, I've never felt so helpless and dis-empowered in my life as when I was pregnant.

Which is also kinda interesting, because it's the only time in my life I've ever let somebody else dictate what I ought to do, and override my wishes on what to do with my own life. Biggest mistake of my life. Most horrible 15 months of feeling like I was first being held prisoner by my own biology, and then by my family's and societies expectations that I'd live up to being a role I'd never freely chosen.

Aside from that miserable time in my life, I never really feel empowered, not as a woman, nor as a person. It's not that I feel dis-empowered either, but rather that I don't ever need to feel empowered because I already am all the things that empowerment are supposed to make you feel.
I don't need to feel empowered i.e. be made to feel more stronger and more confident, in controlling my life, and feel like I'm given the right and authority to do something; which is after all what the definition of 'empowered' means.

I don't ever feel empowered, because I AM confident, and strong, and in control of my life. I consider myself to have the right and authority to do things, especially to run my own life. Feeling like that is my normal baseline. I don't need to do anything for this, like have sex, or wear certain clothes, or do certain things.

I just feel like that... all the time.
Whether I'm doing something really cool, or I'm sitting on the couch in a raggedy t-shirt and yoga pans, I'm strong, self-confident, and in control of my life. Very very little can ever touch that. Very very little ever has the ability to make me feel insecure. And on the super rare occasion when I am feeling insecure, it's a departure from baseline, a drop below my normal state of being. To fix it, I don't need to feel empowered, I just need to get back to my baseline.
When I go above my baseline, I don't feel empowered, I feel exalted.

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RE: Feeling empowered - 6/30/2017 7:34:00 PM   
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Interesting how we experienced it so differently, eh?

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RE: Feeling empowered - 7/2/2017 2:26:17 AM   
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You'll be truly empowered when you no longer need sex to get there.


But if I don't need sex to get there, then, I would just be following the traditional way. No sex equals "worthiness". Having sex equals "unworthy".

So how will I get there by just following the society instructions of NOT HAVING SEX till marriage?

That doesn't make any sense!

Every woman who kept her virginity until marriage is automatically defined as "worthy". Not so much in the West now, the definition is changed to sex with your significant other is okay but sex without love is not okay. But in Asia, it's still a virgin's market.

So I don't feel empowered following that way of life by obeying that.

Especially when having sex is like genuinely my favourite hobby. To stop myself from my favourite hobby doesn't feel like empowerment to me.

The empowerment comes from refraining from allowing myself to stop enjoying my favourite hobby just because society says, you are officially regulated to of zero worth once your hymen is broken or if too many men have touched your body other than your husband.

Empowerment comes from, not giving up on what I genuinely enjoy in my life, just because I worry that will make me damage goods.

I often feel most inspired by people who goes out and do what other people say is not okay or acceptable.

As long as it doesn't involve causing physical harm to others. Emotional harm is unfortunate. I mean, when I choose to have sex before marriage, technically I brought emotional harm to my family. When I choose to go into BDSM, I brought emotional harm to my family.

They would be so embarrassed and ashamed to face their relatives or work colleagues or friends to have a daughter so "depraved" and "disgusting".

Emotional harm to immediate family is unavoidable sometimes to pursue your interests. In Asia culture, that is the biggest crime. Whatever you do, you must think about what it will do to others. IF it hurts other people emotionally, do not do it! That's the way we were brought up to think. So if being gay, being into bdsm, being a TS all that hurts your family. A good Asian kid must never be IT.

So everything I am doing, is totally as good as getting disowned.

The hardest part of finding empowerment for me is, I hate to do anything to hurt others that are within my family circle. But I find myself at cross roads always, where the only reason I am not doing it is because I am worried about how they feel. And denying myself what I love.

Even something like my dream of having a sex shop, selling sex toys, because sex toys are my passion. That I have never got to doing it. Because I fear the harm it will do to my family. Like it will kill them to have a relative, a sister, or a daughter who sells sex toys. You know if parents meet people and they ask what is your child doing? They would die of mortification if they said their daughter sells sex toys.

It's frustrating sometimes, trying to balance what you love doing and trying not to affect the people around you who will get hurt on a secondary basis by it.

But I would love to sell sex toys. Waiting for the guts to do it. Because, once that decision is made. Can I live with the guilt of the consequences on others I care about? Especially my brothers? I don't know.


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RE: Feeling empowered - 7/2/2017 2:49:31 AM   
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You really want to feel empowered as a woman? Have a kid. Surprised the fuck out of me, but that is the one thing that really did it for me.

When it comes to child bearing. Every woman experience it differently.

My great grandmother had 26 kids. Yes, my mom told me her grandmother was pregnant every year of her life that she knew her grandma.

Does that make her more empowered than women who only have 1 or 2 kids?

26 kids is like fuck! Her only purpose in life is being pregnant and that's her full time job! She was a home maker, and her husband, my great grandfather was a school principal. But clearly she thoroughly enjoys popping out babies to keep doing it. And it was clearly easy for her. She was happy to let nature take it's course and was super fertile. Otherwise if it was hard, she would have taken precaution, you'd think after a certain number.

Also, you can imagine her Army of Grand kids. With 26 kids. And all boys, only 1 girl.

In the past, due to Asian culture of children being retirement plans of parents. This means the more children you have, the more money you will receive when you retire, as it's basically income from loads of children. Alot of Chinese families pop out as many children as possible. But usually it's averaging 10 per couple. That's why China had to do this one child policy thingy. Otherwise, it would be madness, their population would be worst than now. China didn't become the craziest most populous country if in the older days, all these crazy Chinese women are just popping out children like peeing.



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RE: Feeling empowered - 7/2/2017 3:07:22 AM   
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I was just thinking, something as simple as tattoos. There was a local celebrity here who had full arm sleeves tattoes and full back tattoo. She loves tattooes.

But after she had a child, something made her regret all her tattoos. She simply had her little son come home to her and tell her that, the kids in school were told by their parents that they were to avoid her son, because he has a "bad gangster mommy with tattooes".

Take away sex. It could be anything taboo.

She end up lasering off all her tattoos, imagine the pain for her son. She just didn't want her son to get ostracized because of her love for tattoos.

I don't know if she did the right thing. If her reaction was right because it felt like it was enabling this nonsense. Those mothers were wrong to do that! I felt she could educate people about tattoos better, maybe approach and speak to the mothers of those children. But of course, prejudice against tattoos are strong here. So..., it probably will be pointless.

But being Asian, the thing that always hit you most is when your family gets hurt from your actions. She did the most Asian thing possible which is removing all her tattoos because of what happened to her son.

I think enjoy sex privately is as far of an empowerment I will ever feel, doing something for me, and a win win where my family can't get hurt, as long as I keep it discreet. Opening a sex shop..., that is just one hell of a big step.

I also expect my brother to go into politics some day. He is suited for it and also, is on the right path to head there when he is older. And this will bite him big time in his future. It sucks that what I want to do for me could hurt him as a smear campaign in the future. Like you just need squeaky clean everything.

It's like, as much as it's my life, but I am aware it's not just my life. Whatever you do reflects on your family. No escape from it.

I want to be involve in some sort of sex business, because in Asia, I know many Asian women will feel very sexually repressed and I want to be a friendly safe space for them to discreetly discuss with me about it.

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RE: Feeling empowered - 7/4/2017 12:51:29 AM   
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RE: Feeling empowered - 7/4/2017 1:52:20 PM   
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Because you are pathetic sad lying fuk and ill brain are you not?

I will take my chances with the opposite of your kind Mungo boy fuk of back to fetlife you pathetic grassing cunt
fuking pussy

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